Human augmentation.
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well. from a philosophical standpoint i say: feh, if it's attached to me, it's me.
from a logical standpoint (well, my logic) robo limbs would be sweet, but we'd need to make more advanced ones to truly entice me. like ones that don't use external energy; and limbs that can feel to an extent. looking at our progress with prosthetic's currently, these 2 things seem HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE. but who knows. we've made great bounds before. also i want immortality, but that's a whole other can o' worms.
from a logical standpoint (well, my logic) robo limbs would be sweet, but we'd need to make more advanced ones to truly entice me. like ones that don't use external energy; and limbs that can feel to an extent. looking at our progress with prosthetic's currently, these 2 things seem HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE. but who knows. we've made great bounds before. also i want immortality, but that's a whole other can o' worms.
Well, first of all, I don't see where the problem is when someone who has lost his leg/eye/damaged organ whatever else, wants to replace it. It's that persons body and why would we want to stop him/her being able to use the body normally again.
Second, I see that some may not like it if scientists tamper too much with the human body and questions like "what it human anymore and what not?" or "Are we playing god?" etc. But I think that would be awesome. If I could artificially enhance my body, I'd be in it. I don't have a problem with "poluting" the human body or whatever.
Second, I see that some may not like it if scientists tamper too much with the human body and questions like "what it human anymore and what not?" or "Are we playing god?" etc. But I think that would be awesome. If I could artificially enhance my body, I'd be in it. I don't have a problem with "poluting" the human body or whatever.
I am in favor of it however I am more inclined to leave it to required upgrades to fix disabilities, replacing dying organs, replace limbs, etc.
I am less interested in people plunking down money to become super cyborgs or mandatory augmentation for soldiers and stuff, but I am always for scientific progress so I'd get over my qualms.
I am less interested in people plunking down money to become super cyborgs or mandatory augmentation for soldiers and stuff, but I am always for scientific progress so I'd get over my qualms.
In regards to the whole "human purity thing, Mechanical augmentation does fuckall to the gene pool, so I'm all for it. The real questionable issue is genetic modification of humans.
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We already do prostetic limbs, we use pacemakers for hearts not fully functioning, we use glasses/lenses to make up for imperfect sight, i don't see why we shouldn't go a step further, and not limit ourselves at repairing our bodies, if the scientists have ways to enhance them.
If i was offered augmentation to enhance something, i wouldn't turn it down, unless i doubted the safety of it, or if there were cons that outweighted what i might enhace.
For instance, if i could get an artificial eye that gave me nightvision or thermo vision or something else, without the cost of something else, GIEF!
If i were to be offered an artificial arm, with increased strength, at the cost of the sense of touch as mentioned in a post shortly above, i would turn it down, cause i don't really need the strength, but appreciate beeing able to feel with my hands.
I haven't heard of technology at a good enough level yet, to be considered safe, usefull and worth the tradeoff, but i might be wrong.
regardless, when/if it comes around some day, i'd find it very appealing.
And this doesn't just apply for mechanical/electronic augmentation, we also use medicine to cure ilnesses, something that allows us to live around twice as long as people did a half a milennium, if not less, ago. Why not ehnace our bodies that way too, once a safe way comes around?
The immediate thought here is steroids, which to my knowledge still has a lot of side effects, at least if used incorrectly/excecively, but it might have potential (if it ain't already so) to keep people in a fit state, that would not only grant us brute strength for punching and lifting stuff, but also make us more resilliant to damage caused by accidents.
What if you could do the same for the brain? what if you could be medically altered to think faster, harder and more effectively?
What if you could enhance the bodies natural immune system? Reduce if not altogether remove the need for sleep? Slow down, or even stop the ageing process of our bodies when past our prime, where the body starts to slowly crumble?
I'm not sure it would work as the world is now, where hardly anythign is made or maintained, unless someone is making a profit out of it, but for the sake of the discussion, i'll be willing to look past this for the moment, as this, while connected, is a different issue in itself.
But if we have the potential to become mroe than we are, as we're already trying to do with our societies and our technology, i don't see why it shouldn't be done with ourselves as well.
If i was offered augmentation to enhance something, i wouldn't turn it down, unless i doubted the safety of it, or if there were cons that outweighted what i might enhace.
For instance, if i could get an artificial eye that gave me nightvision or thermo vision or something else, without the cost of something else, GIEF!
If i were to be offered an artificial arm, with increased strength, at the cost of the sense of touch as mentioned in a post shortly above, i would turn it down, cause i don't really need the strength, but appreciate beeing able to feel with my hands.
I haven't heard of technology at a good enough level yet, to be considered safe, usefull and worth the tradeoff, but i might be wrong.
regardless, when/if it comes around some day, i'd find it very appealing.
And this doesn't just apply for mechanical/electronic augmentation, we also use medicine to cure ilnesses, something that allows us to live around twice as long as people did a half a milennium, if not less, ago. Why not ehnace our bodies that way too, once a safe way comes around?
The immediate thought here is steroids, which to my knowledge still has a lot of side effects, at least if used incorrectly/excecively, but it might have potential (if it ain't already so) to keep people in a fit state, that would not only grant us brute strength for punching and lifting stuff, but also make us more resilliant to damage caused by accidents.
What if you could do the same for the brain? what if you could be medically altered to think faster, harder and more effectively?
What if you could enhance the bodies natural immune system? Reduce if not altogether remove the need for sleep? Slow down, or even stop the ageing process of our bodies when past our prime, where the body starts to slowly crumble?
I'm not sure it would work as the world is now, where hardly anythign is made or maintained, unless someone is making a profit out of it, but for the sake of the discussion, i'll be willing to look past this for the moment, as this, while connected, is a different issue in itself.
But if we have the potential to become mroe than we are, as we're already trying to do with our societies and our technology, i don't see why it shouldn't be done with ourselves as well.
Would I get augs? Only if I need them, well, maybe I'll get new eyes, mine are shit.
I just dont feel comfortable with swaping out my biological and natrual limbs and parts for shiny augments. We could have either the DE:HR downside of needing anti-rejection drugs, or they could be so expensive that we get a Repo Men scenerio.
Course, if I was put in a situation that I needed augments, I wouldnt hold back after.
I just dont feel comfortable with swaping out my biological and natrual limbs and parts for shiny augments. We could have either the DE:HR downside of needing anti-rejection drugs, or they could be so expensive that we get a Repo Men scenerio.
Course, if I was put in a situation that I needed augments, I wouldnt hold back after.
It seems that this is the whole point of the games story. Sci-Fi, no matter how intelligent it might be, is rather a commentary on our present than the future. While the future will be much stranger than we can imagine. Think about the crazy science fiction stuff in current daily use and watch some episodes of Star Trek Next Generation in contrast. It´s scary how outdated the show is from a technological standpoint (Of course there is the holodeck, and beaming and so on, but if you look at their communications technology we are definitely superior).j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
The real future will probably totally shock us.
I'd be fine with it if they were really expensive but free to people who need them. Or at least people who are handicapped. We basically have it with prosthetics and pacemakers and that shit anyway, but for ones that could improve a perfectly healthy person, those would need to be regulated.
I don't know where to draw the line. I support maniacal addition to restore a handicapped person (like say robotic replacement legs for paraplegics or robot eyes for the blind) but I don't know what I support beyond that. I'll have to wait to see what the tech is before I decide on it.
I think human augmentation is great until it starts endagering people so...Ultimately it decends into the same sort of issue of guns; you can heavily regulate it but there will always be a number of incidents...So I think that combat augmentations should be only given to law enforcement and armed forces but the more mundane stuff can be for everyone
Do what you will... but your skin is one of the most advanced things in the world and can adapt to almost everything, and your blood is the best firewall you'll ever encounter, and your eye ball is the most complex thing on this planet (why? Because it CAN NOT be transplanted and we still don't know how it forms in a way that works.) Oh... and your brain... the most complex organic computer with a memory that is.. well beyond petabytes.
I'm all for filling the body with supplemental nanites for defense.
I'm all for filling the body with supplemental nanites for defense.
Oh hell yes. I want just about everything in the old Cyberpunk 2020 sourcebooks to be available. Fewer weapons, though, and with technologies updated to more plausibly modern levels (a device the size of a fist stores no more than an hour of digital video? What?).
I can't wait til I can jack in. I want to fill my body with every enhancement I can fit, and buy a complete gleaming robotic chassis to put my brain in when my biological body finally gives out.
I can't wait til I can jack in. I want to fill my body with every enhancement I can fit, and buy a complete gleaming robotic chassis to put my brain in when my biological body finally gives out.
I think this states my opinion quite exactly. Currently, machines like smartphones are used as part of our "extended minds" ([link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Extended_Mind[/link]). Tools are the only thing that allowed us to grow and dominate as a species and they have always been extensions of ourselves , whether or not they are attached only really matters because of potential side-effects.Cranyx said:
Consider, for instance, the cooking of meat. Without that, mortality rates would be much higher. Our survival literally hinges on our cooking implements; they are a part of us.
Hmm... most people in here seem to be thinking about purely mechanical augmentations. The way I see it, most types of augmentation in the future will be almost wholly organic. While I think that technology will exist that allows for 'robot parts,' the better solution is to use mostly organic measures, as machines will probably never quite match the levels of complexity in an organic being.
That said, I'm for it; provided it isn't mandatory.
That said, I'm for it; provided it isn't mandatory.
