We care about people close to us, just not every single stranger we see on the street. To do so would drive a man insane. We do, in fact, care about ourselves the most, but that's because the one person we know best is ourselves.tkioz said:Okay since you didn't get it, how about a clearer cut one, two men are taken into a dark room, one is given a choice if he says yes there is a 50% chance he and the other man will be killed, if he says no he will live and the other man will die; our ancestors made choices that boiled down to that all the time, help someone and run the risk of suffering for it, or don't help and stay safe; the people that stayed safe will likely have lived long enough to pass on their genes.ultrachicken said:Why is that a jerk act?tkioz said:Imagine you're a farmer in 16th century France, you've got just enough food stored away so that you and your family might eat for the winter; along comes a family of refugees, they beg you for food and shelter, do you a) help them and put your own family at risk of starving during winter or b) turn them away knowing full well they'll likely starve?ultrachicken said:I think people measure how great their religion is based on whether or not they think it's actually correct.
It's not only the "nastiest" that survive. Plenty of civilians haven't owned slaves, or committed mass genocide, etc. It's just the ones that do get the most attention.
Please, stop with the "humans are such jerks!" threads.
Using today's morality turning them away is a wrong act, but the very fact we were born means that our ancestors made these sort of choices and chose themselves.
Humans are jerks, it's hard-wired into us, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and over-come it, but it's not something we should be ignorant about either.
It helps no one if both families starve. I see that choice as either: you survive, they die, or: you die, they die.
I'm not denying that bad shit happens, but we've also got goodness hardwired into us. Being ignorant to that can be just as dangerous as being ignorant to the bad stuff in humans.
As for good hard-wired into us... err what good? the only thing I can see is the willingness to adopt codes of conduct in order to stay in a group for better protection, the willingness to suffer for our offspring, and that's about all I can see as "good" in human nature, everything else do that could be considered "good" today is against our nature.
We "care" about our families because it's advantageous for us to do so, protection of numbers and all that, care for them while they are sick and they'll do the same for us, that's hard-wired into us.ultrachicken said:We care about people close to us, just not every single stranger we see on the street. To do so would drive a man insane. We do, in fact, care about ourselves the most, but that's because the one person we know best is ourselves.tkioz said:Okay since you didn't get it, how about a clearer cut one, two men are taken into a dark room, one is given a choice if he says yes there is a 50% chance he and the other man will be killed, if he says no he will live and the other man will die; our ancestors made choices that boiled down to that all the time, help someone and run the risk of suffering for it, or don't help and stay safe; the people that stayed safe will likely have lived long enough to pass on their genes.ultrachicken said:Why is that a jerk act?tkioz said:Imagine you're a farmer in 16th century France, you've got just enough food stored away so that you and your family might eat for the winter; along comes a family of refugees, they beg you for food and shelter, do you a) help them and put your own family at risk of starving during winter or b) turn them away knowing full well they'll likely starve?ultrachicken said:I think people measure how great their religion is based on whether or not they think it's actually correct.
It's not only the "nastiest" that survive. Plenty of civilians haven't owned slaves, or committed mass genocide, etc. It's just the ones that do get the most attention.
Please, stop with the "humans are such jerks!" threads.
Using today's morality turning them away is a wrong act, but the very fact we were born means that our ancestors made these sort of choices and chose themselves.
Humans are jerks, it's hard-wired into us, doesn't mean we shouldn't try and over-come it, but it's not something we should be ignorant about either.
It helps no one if both families starve. I see that choice as either: you survive, they die, or: you die, they die.
I'm not denying that bad shit happens, but we've also got goodness hardwired into us. Being ignorant to that can be just as dangerous as being ignorant to the bad stuff in humans.
As for good hard-wired into us... err what good? the only thing I can see is the willingness to adopt codes of conduct in order to stay in a group for better protection, the willingness to suffer for our offspring, and that's about all I can see as "good" in human nature, everything else do that could be considered "good" today is against our nature.
Every time you see a homeless man on the street, do you buy him a home, and feed him, and take care of him until you die because if you don't no-one else will? No. There are simply too many people in need for you to take care of.
So, just because humans don't potentially sacrifice their lives for strangers doesn't mean they are total assholes. We all do what we have to, but there are people who do bad things just because they can.
Private Custard said:Found god, lost god........still wankers!
Hold up. You can actually TRACE your family back to Carthage? Like THE Carthage!? The one decimated by the Romans? The one led by Hannibal?LogicNProportion said:"We came, we saw, we conquered." <-- My version of human history in six words.
"Scipio. Law. Wanderer. Killer. Womanizing. Me." <-- MY family history.
Scipio = Farthest ancestor fought beside him as one of his officers at Carthage.
Law = Same ancestor became a judge in Rome, giving my family power.
Wanderer = Renaissance saw my family as merchants and mercenaries.
Killer = Mafioso.
Womanizing = My father in a man-whore.
Me = Duh.
Nice one. Finally someone with some sense.ultrachicken said:I think people measure how great their religion is based on whether or not they think it's actually correct.
It's not only the "nastiest" that survive. Plenty of civilians haven't owned slaves, or committed mass genocide, etc. It's just the ones that do get the most attention.
Please, stop with the "humans are such jerks!" threads.