Hurting animals for cultural/religious reasons

[Daaaah Whoosh]

Not to be racist or anything, but we need to worry about human cruelty before we worry about animal cruelty.

 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

You know, most religions condone killing people who don't adhere to the rules, yet anybody who kills people in the name of religion isn't exactly viewed in the best light these days. If that's the case, then why would animal cruelty be any different? Religious cruelty towards humans isn't tolerated these days, religious cruelty towards animals shouldn't be tolerated either.

If it's for cultural reasons and not religious, same thing. You don't see a lot of support in the world for honour killings, do you?

Cruelty against animals isn't viewed the same because they don't have our means of complaining about it, so most people don't even think about it (keep in mind, to most people animals can't even think).

 

[Chairman Miaow]

Slitting a cows throat isn't inhumane, inhumane is chopping off it's legs and eviscerating it while it's still alive.

I think how "humane" something is changes over time.
I find the throat slitting thing inhumane because we have better ways of killing them now, a clean bullet/shock to the head kills them instantly, better than slowly bleeding to death anyway :L

Actually, bolt stunning often fails, and requires a second shot.

 

[bafrali]

Main problem is that your killing something to make a god happy that you can't even see. Your going to eat the animal and you kill it as fast as possible, well thats different. Realize how insane that sounds to a normal thinking mind. Perhaps I should beat the shit out of someone at random because I thought they were a ghost. Hate me for doing that and wonder why I am walking around seeing shit that nobody else see's. You can't justify being mean just because it says it's okay in your religion.

I don't think you quite understand what is the meaning behind sacrifice.It is not to please God.No In Quran it is specificly said that neither your sacrifce's blood or skin reaches God.It is a tradition of giving away your prospect to the poor if you are rich.It was done with herd in the old days because money wasn't invented yet.Nowadays it is more flexible since times have passed now.Most people still do it because it is tradition and what brings families together in holidays.That doesn't mean cruelty is involved

Also please can everyone stop looking down on other cultures and religions without understanding them.It is quite annoying

 

[Riki Darnell]

We don't even protect babies from having bits of them permanently cut off for religious and cultural purposes, it'd seem to me that looking at how poorly it can lead to animals being treated is jumping the gun (although I entirely agree with you).

I'm not very familiar with the subject, but how are the animals killed inhumanely?

Slitting a cows throat isn't inhumane, inhumane is chopping off it's legs and eviscerating it while it's still alive.

Hell, they might do that, in which case, correct me. Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject.

What you described is called, "being an arse hole", it doesn't render a still-slow process a humane one.

I love animals and I hate to see senseless violence done to them. But say a farmer in a 3rd world country needs to kill one of his life stock for food. I'm sure he probably doesn't have a lot of extra money to throw around to buy a gun or that shock thing. The easiest and cheapest solution is to cut the throat. If it's like a big business then yeah they should invest in something that kills fast and effectively.

If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works. To each his own is how I look at things.

 

[Woodsey]

We don't even protect babies from having bits of them permanently cut off for religious and cultural purposes, it'd seem to me that looking at how poorly it can lead to animals being treated is jumping the gun (although I entirely agree with you).

I'm not very familiar with the subject, but how are the animals killed inhumanely?

Slitting a cows throat isn't inhumane, inhumane is chopping off it's legs and eviscerating it while it's still alive.

Hell, they might do that, in which case, correct me. Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject.

What you described is called, "being an arse hole", it doesn't render a still-slow process a humane one.

I love animals and I hate to see senseless violence done to them. But say a farmer in a 3rd world country needs to kill one of his life stock for food. I'm sure he probably doesn't have a lot of extra money to throw around to buy a gun or that shock thing. The easiest and cheapest solution is to cut the throat. If it's like a big business then yeah they should invest in something that kills fast and effectively.

If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works. To each his own is how I look at things.

My point was simply that one being worse doesn't make the other any better. The thread is about cultural and religious reasons, not farming. 3rd world farming is a different topic.

'If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works.'

Why does that matter? If they're treating animals cruelly they're treating animals cruelly, doesn't matter what reason they give.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

I am a hunter

I hunt elk/moose with my grandpa, but up here we are serious about minimizing animal suffering and using the meat

I went with my uncle and he was able to help me track a moose with medium-sized antlers. Had to shoot it 3 times with my then-bad aiming. I forgot what rifle I was using, my uncle lent it to me anyways.

Did you pass the yearly hunting test before that?

 

[bafrali]

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It is not your fault really.People tend to get things wrong when they are misinformed.So no hard feelings

 

[manic_depressive13]

I think it's bullshit in every way possible. There was recently an issue of Australian cattle being sent to Indonesia where they were killed inhumanely, supposedly to ensure that they are halal. There was a big uproar with people calling that we refuse to sell our cattle to Indonesia. Cut to about a year later, an inquiry into our own slaughter houses showed that not one of the major slaughterhouses correctly followed the procedures put in place to minimise suffering caused to the animal.

Discussions of animals rights among those who eat meat are just stupid pissing contests. It's unnecessary to slaughter animals and to cut short the life of a healthy animal, however "humanely", is cruel. People here need to take a good hard look at themselves before pointing fingers at third world countries and shouting "savages".

 

[Riki Darnell]

We don't even protect babies from having bits of them permanently cut off for religious and cultural purposes, it'd seem to me that looking at how poorly it can lead to animals being treated is jumping the gun (although I entirely agree with you).

I'm not very familiar with the subject, but how are the animals killed inhumanely?

Slitting a cows throat isn't inhumane, inhumane is chopping off it's legs and eviscerating it while it's still alive.

Hell, they might do that, in which case, correct me. Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject.

What you described is called, "being an arse hole", it doesn't render a still-slow process a humane one.

I love animals and I hate to see senseless violence done to them. But say a farmer in a 3rd world country needs to kill one of his life stock for food. I'm sure he probably doesn't have a lot of extra money to throw around to buy a gun or that shock thing. The easiest and cheapest solution is to cut the throat. If it's like a big business then yeah they should invest in something that kills fast and effectively.

If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works. To each his own is how I look at things.

My point was simply that one being worse doesn't make the other any better. The thread is about cultural and religious reasons, not farming. 3rd world farming is a different topic.

'If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works.'

Why does that matter? If they're treating animals cruelly they're treating animals cruelly, doesn't matter what reason they give.

I meant that I don't think I had the right to judge and say "what you're doing is terrible" unless I know why the are doing it. Let's say some religion says that an animal has to be sacrificed at the end of a wedding. (I don't know if this is true for any religion but just using a scenario) Now to an outsider it would probably been seen as inhumane and wrong. But if you haven't grown up in that religion you wouldn't understand why it has to be done. If you were part of it tho you would understand that it's something that has to be done because of culture/religious reasons. I'm not saying you have to like it or agree with it but I think it's always best to research and see why they might sacrifice animals and how long it has been going on.

To me something is inhumane if it is pain/killing that servers no purpose. If someone pushes a cow into a lake to watch it drown it's inhumane. If it is killed during a celebration or other religious/cultural thing then it's killing served a purpose.

 

[FilipJPhry]

I am a hunter

I hunt elk/moose with my grandpa, but up here we are serious about minimizing animal suffering and using the meat

I went with my uncle and he was able to help me track a moose with medium-sized antlers. Had to shoot it 3 times with my then-bad aiming. I forgot what rifle I was using, my uncle lent it to me anyways.

Did you pass the yearly hunting test before that?

Hunt test? I'm pretty sure Mi'kmaq rights don't require you to do that. I did get a FAC license and a hunting permit.

 

[Woodsey]

We don't even protect babies from having bits of them permanently cut off for religious and cultural purposes, it'd seem to me that looking at how poorly it can lead to animals being treated is jumping the gun (although I entirely agree with you).

I'm not very familiar with the subject, but how are the animals killed inhumanely?

Slitting a cows throat isn't inhumane, inhumane is chopping off it's legs and eviscerating it while it's still alive.

Hell, they might do that, in which case, correct me. Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable on the subject.

What you described is called, "being an arse hole", it doesn't render a still-slow process a humane one.

I love animals and I hate to see senseless violence done to them. But say a farmer in a 3rd world country needs to kill one of his life stock for food. I'm sure he probably doesn't have a lot of extra money to throw around to buy a gun or that shock thing. The easiest and cheapest solution is to cut the throat. If it's like a big business then yeah they should invest in something that kills fast and effectively.

If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works. To each his own is how I look at things.

My point was simply that one being worse doesn't make the other any better. The thread is about cultural and religious reasons, not farming. 3rd world farming is a different topic.

'If it's for a religious reason I don't think I should have a say in it unless I know and understand how that religion works.'

Why does that matter? If they're treating animals cruelly they're treating animals cruelly, doesn't matter what reason they give.

I meant that I don't think I had the right to judge and say "what you're doing is terrible" unless I know why the are doing it. Let's say some religion says that an animal has to be sacrificed at the end of a wedding. (I don't know if this is true for any religion but just using a scenario) Now to an outsider it would probably been seen as inhumane and wrong. But if you haven't grown up in that religion you wouldn't understand why it has to be done. If you were part of it tho you would understand that it's something that has to be done because of culture/religious reasons. I'm not saying you have to like it or agree with it but I think it's always best to research and see why they might sacrifice animals and how long it has been going on.

To me something is inhumane if it is pain/killing that servers no purpose. If someone pushes a cow into a lake to watch it drown it's inhumane. If it is killed during a celebration or other religious/cultural thing then it's killing served a purpose.

What you mean is: push a cow into a lake to drown for fun serves no purpose, push a cow into a lake because superstition dictates it and it's OK because they've constructed a slightly more complex 'purpose'.

Of course, I don't expect people to simply break from a mountain of cultural pressure and superstition, but that still doesn't mean it's not a terrible thing to do. The religious or cultural reasoning remains largely irrelevant.

 

[Lopende Paddo]

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Some animals are killed inhumanely for cultural or religious reasons. To be honest, I can't stand it. It doesn't matter what culture you're from, I don't agree with animals being killed without be stunned or otherwise making it humane as possible (I can see the contradiction, I'm not a vegetarian - what I ate tonight had to be killed either way so I could eat it).
But what are your thoughts? There are lots of things I do because of my culture that should be considered disgusting but is not - buying products mass-produced in sweatshops for example. Is it fair to slam another culture because it does not align with animal rights (at least in Australia there is great concern about animal rights - the entire cattle trade to India was stopped last year temporarily because of it, but I'm not sure about much of the rest of the world.

You are pretty hypocritical in your reasoning. Your either against eating animals or not, the mass production of meat has animals suffering regardless of religion. either eat meat or don't but don't complain about other people's actions while being unaware of your own. I like meat and know how it gets too my plate, if i could breed my own cattle without a license I wouldn't hesitate to slaughter and eat them, its pretty much in our nature to eat meat

(and no vegi's! its also in you nature although you have rejected that part of yourself like religious people reject logic.)

If you truly want animal suffering gone and at the same time want to feed the entire world population you should advocate eating insects (which are actually more nutritious then meat and they taste pretty good when prepared well).

I myself am far too concerned with the status of Humans on this dirt ball, too take any notice of captive animal suffering.

 

[ElPatron]

I went with my uncle and he was able to help me track a moose with medium-sized antlers. Had to shoot it 3 times with my then-bad aiming. I forgot what rifle I was using, my uncle lent it to me anyways.

Did you pass the yearly hunting test before that?

He's probably from a state that doesn't require permission to hunt.

 

[Rowan93]

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Some animals are killed inhumanely for cultural or religious reasons. To be honest, I can't stand it. It doesn't matter what culture you're from, I don't agree with animals being killed without be stunned or otherwise making it humane as possible (I can see the contradiction, I'm not a vegetarian - what I ate tonight had to be killed either way so I could eat it).
But what are your thoughts? There are lots of things I do because of my culture that should be considered disgusting but is not - buying products mass-produced in sweatshops for example. Is it fair to slam another culture because it does not align with animal rights (at least in Australia there is great concern about animal rights - the entire cattle trade to India was stopped last year temporarily because of it, but I'm not sure about much of the rest of the world.

You are pretty hypocritical in your reasoning. Your either against eating animals or not, the mass production of meat has animals suffering regardless of religion. either eat meat or don't but don't complain about other people's actions while being unaware of your own. I like meat and know how it gets too my plate, if i could breed my own cattle without a license I wouldn't hesitate to slaughter and eat them, its pretty much in our nature to eat meat

(and no vegi's! its also in you nature although you have rejected that part of yourself like religious people reject logic.)

If you truly want animal suffering gone and at the same time want to feed the entire world population you should advocate eating insects (which are actually more nutritious then meat and they taste pretty good when prepared well).

I myself am far too concerned with the status of Humans on this dirt ball, too take any notice of captive animal suffering.

Nature isn't good. That eating meat is still in a vegetarian person's nature just makes it more of an achievement to become vegetarian - it makes it like giving up an addiction.

 

[Keoul]

Discussions of animals rights among those who eat meat are just stupid pissing contests. It's unnecessary to slaughter animals and to cut short the life of a healthy animal, however "humanely", is cruel. People here need to take a good hard look at themselves before pointing fingers at third world countries and shouting "savages".

Baby steps :L
Animals will die and they will be eaten for their meat, you shouldn't get all high and mighty against humans because we do it too, at least we try to kill the animals as "humanely" as possible. The general idea behind humane is quick and painless, again I have to go back to the "well back in the wild" piece of reasoning. Animals hunt each other all the time; and generally through more violent means such as biting the victim to death. I don't see you screaming at a lion for murdering all the gazelle so don't get all angry at humans.