Hypothetical: If you died, and (Let's Assume Christian) God is waiting for you...

[AngloDoom]

Lunge wildly and swing for him.

Mostly out of wanting to know whether I could even harm God. Overthrowing him would be the ideal if I could, indeed, harm the guy. If not, well, I suppose I'd just have to ask him why he's not so talkative these days as he was two-thousand years ago.

I mean, it's all fine and dandy asking us to listen, but when you don't even write us a Christmas Card for two millennia it just comes across as rude.

 

[Paksenarrion]

Say nothing.

If he's the God then he's omniscient, so he already knows all the things I might otherwise say or tell.

He'd probably scream what I was going to scream, which is "RELEASE THE KRAKEN!"

 

[HT_Black]

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

Oh, but there is plenty of proof. Sadly, I can't go into the matter here without taking up half the page.

Slightly more on-topic: I think I'd say something to this extent:

"How-de-do, Jehovah?"

Keep it simple, right?

If you could briefly outline what that proof is I'd love to hear it.

As you'd have it.

Right now, you're probably thinking something to the entent of "I can't believe this moron is actually trying to prove there's an invisible man in the sky", to which I say:

"Of course I'm not. That's an idiotic idea and I'm embarrassed that you think I would entertain such nonsense."

I'll be upfront with you: I do not believe that there is actually a white man with a beard who sits up on the clouds and watches over everybody on Earth. Before you laugh this off as proof that I'm not as sure as i said I was, let me talk to you about the word "God".

"God" is described as a force of creation and power; and the Christian God is described as loving. Because I lack the time or space to describe my reasoning in detail, I will say this: God is not an invisible man in the sky as much as it is a force present in every human being that drives mankind to do as it does.

 

[Liiizard]

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

Oh, but there is plenty of proof. Sadly, I can't go into the matter here without taking up half the page.

Slightly more on-topic: I think I'd say something to this extent:

"How-de-do, Jehovah?"

Keep it simple, right?

If you could briefly outline what that proof is I'd love to hear it.

As you'd have it.

Right now, you're probably thinking something to the entent of "I can't believe this moron is actually trying to prove there's an invisible man in the sky", to which I say:

"Of course I'm not. That's an idiotic idea and I'm embarrassed that you think I would entertain such nonsense."

I'll be upfront with you: I do not believe that there is actually a white man with a beard who sits up on the clouds and watches over everybody on Earth. Before you laugh this off as proof that I'm not as sure as i said I was, let me talk to youi about the word "God".

"God" is described as a force of creation and power; and the Christian God is described as loving. Because I lack the time or space to describe my reasoning in detail, I will say this: God is not an invisible man in the sky as much as it is a force present in every human being that drives mankind to do as it does.

I would like to stop this argument, since there is no logical conclusion, and direct you both to a philosopher named Emannuel Kant. He's the first post-enlightenment philosopher, and he logically proves that there are things that cannot be logically proven.

One example: are there a set number of subatomic particles, or is matter infinitely divisible? You can prove that thus far we've only seen X particles of Y size and Z properties, but you can't prove that at some indefinite point in the future our observational abilities won't allow us to find new ones. You also can't prove that at some point in the future we will find new particles. Both beliefs are equally true based on observable evidence.

These arguments apply for several other questions, such as: Is the universe infinite? Is there an ultimate creator? You can't prove that some being didn't construct the rules of the universe and manipulated random chance in such a way that the universe ended up exactly the way it is as part of some plan. You also can't prove that there is such a creator or such a plan. All you can prove is that the rules are set up in X way, and events unfolded in Y sequence. The underlying philosophical meaning behind it is not a matter of science and therefore cannot be proven one way or another.

Therefore, whether you're an atheist or a deist, your beliefs are ultimately based on faith and disposition, not logic and proof. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator.

 

[Koganesaga]

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

Oh, but there is plenty of proof. Sadly, I can't go into the matter here without taking up half the page.

Slightly more on-topic: I think I'd say something to this extent:

"How-de-do, Jehovah?"

Keep it simple, right?

If you could briefly outline what that proof is I'd love to hear it.

As you'd have it.

Right now, you're probably thinking something to the entent of "I can't believe this moron is actually trying to prove there's an invisible man in the sky", to which I say:

"Of course I'm not. That's an idiotic idea and I'm embarrassed that you think I would entertain such nonsense."

I'll be upfront with you: I do not believe that there is actually a white man with a beard who sits up on the clouds and watches over everybody on Earth. Before you laugh this off as proof that I'm not as sure as i said I was, let me talk to youi about the word "God".

"God" is described as a force of creation and power; and the Christian God is described as loving. Because I lack the time or space to describe my reasoning in detail, I will say this: God is not an invisible man in the sky as much as it is a force present in every human being that drives mankind to do as it does.

I would like to stop this argument, since there is no logical conclusion, and direct you both to a philosopher named Emannuel Kant. He's the first post-enlightenment philosopher, and he logically proves that there are things that cannot be logically proven.

One example: are there a set number of subatomic particles, or is matter infinitely divisible? You can prove that thus far we've only seen X particles of Y size and Z properties, but you can't prove that at some indefinite point in the future our observational abilities won't allow us to find new ones. You also can't prove that at some point in the future we will find new particles. Both beliefs are equally true based on observable evidence.

These arguments apply for several other questions, such as: Is the universe infinite? Is there an ultimate creator? You can't prove that some being didn't construct the rules of the universe and manipulated random chance in such a way that the universe ended up exactly the way it is as part of some plan. You also can't prove that there is such a creator or such a plan. All you can prove is that the rules are set up in X way, and events unfolded in Y sequence. The underlying philosophical meaning behind it is not a matter of science and therefore cannot be proven one way or another.

Therefore, whether you're an atheist or a deist, your beliefs are ultimately based on faith and disposition, not logic and proof. You can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a creator.

If this has turned into a topic about the existence of god, this, as the man has it right, not matter what you think or do, you can't prove it or disprove it, hence what I would say if I met this divine force and there was indeed a reward or punishment for all this.

 

[Thaius]

i'd probably wonder why i'm going to a plane of the afterlife that i don't believe in and thus can't go to. paradox FTW!!!

Hate to break it to you, but if it exists, you'll go there (or the other "plane of the afterlife") whether you believe in it or not.

OT: I'm a Christian, so I'd just be overjoyed.

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

"Haha... Oh I'm screwed, aren't I?"

He would nod.

And then I would give him the finger as I was cast into the fiery depths of hell to hang with Lucifer.

 

[Tdc2182]

I'd want nothing to do with heaven or god. To have lived a life like mine, to know others have lived worse... To know that as a whole the world suffers while He sits back and watches... It would fill me with rage. I'd kindly tell him to fuck himself and to send me to Hell.

Think before you speak in here.

What do you mean by that? The OP posed a hypothetical question and I answered it.

You are taking advantage of the question to bash religion. Many people on this site are aware that I dont take to kindly to religion bashers.

 

[Slipped Mind]

I'd ask for him to play me back all of the greatest, most fun moments in my life.

 

[Xanadeas]

I'd want nothing to do with heaven or god. To have lived a life like mine, to know others have lived worse... To know that as a whole the world suffers while He sits back and watches... It would fill me with rage. I'd kindly tell him to fuck himself and to send me to Hell.

Think before you speak in here.

What do you mean by that? The OP posed a hypothetical question and I answered it.

You are taking advantage of the question to bash religion. Many people on this site are aware that I dont take to kindly to religion bashers.

And that is your opinion. You're free to express it... however stating it as fact would be wrong. I am not bashing religion. People are free to believe whatever they wish. He asked the question, I answered seriously and honestly. That is what I feel I would do. As I said, you're free to disagree with it but I have my reasons. Please do not assume I am "bashing" the religion.

 

[Tdc2182]

I'd want nothing to do with heaven or god. To have lived a life like mine, to know others have lived worse... To know that as a whole the world suffers while He sits back and watches... It would fill me with rage. I'd kindly tell him to fuck himself and to send me to Hell.

Think before you speak in here.

What do you mean by that? The OP posed a hypothetical question and I answered it.

You are taking advantage of the question to bash religion. Many people on this site are aware that I dont take to kindly to religion bashers.

And that is your opinion. You're free to express it... however stating it as fact would be wrong. I am not bashing religion. People are free to believe whatever they wish. He asked the question, I answered seriously and honestly. That is what I feel I would do. As I said, you're free to disagree with it but I have my reasons. Please do not assume I am "bashing" the religion.

I don't think you understand, I am not "disagreeing" with you. I am telling you to control yourself. That comment offends me along with others. You are telling an entire religion that you hate their god. If something like that pops into you're head, it should stay there.

 

[Woodsey]

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

He doesn't demand. He lets everyone make their own choices.

Based on your interpretation. There are plenty who believe you must believe in God or you'll go to Hell.

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

Oh, but there is plenty of proof. Sadly, I can't go into the matter here without taking up half the page.

Slightly more on-topic: I think I'd say something to this extent:

"How-de-do, Jehovah?"

Keep it simple, right?

If you could briefly outline what that proof is I'd love to hear it.

As you'd have it.

Right now, you're probably thinking something to the entent of "I can't believe this moron is actually trying to prove there's an invisible man in the sky", to which I say:

"Of course I'm not. That's an idiotic idea and I'm embarrassed that you think I would entertain such nonsense."

I'll be upfront with you: I do not believe that there is actually a white man with a beard who sits up on the clouds and watches over everybody on Earth. Before you laugh this off as proof that I'm not as sure as i said I was, let me talk to you about the word "God".

"God" is described as a force of creation and power; and the Christian God is described as loving. Because I lack the time or space to describe my reasoning in detail, I will say this: God is not an invisible man in the sky as much as it is a force present in every human being that drives mankind to do as it does.

An interesting idea, although to me that's talking about morality (or 'soul').

 

[AxelxGabriel]

The way I see it, (And this is just my opinion) God is like a Father and we are children. He tries his best to raise us and some of us will be good and others will be rebellious. He may call it out on us about how we misbehaved, but he still loves us, just like how a parent would still love their child if they got into trouble.

As for all the problems in the world that he doesn't solve, who put us in that situation in the first place? Man's own written laws and self made prejudice that deny abortion, Assisted Suicide and hate other peoples. or Man's own Greed and Avarice for Power and Wealth that leads to wars in the so-called name of justice.

That's the price of Free Will: We take responsibility for OUR own actions as humanity, we shouldn't whine or complain to God to just make it all better like some spoiled brat. Taking away Religion wouldn't get rid of Hatred in the world.

And let's just say that he did intervene, that every bad thing was stopped by God and he made everything fine for us. Sooner or later,people would approach and say that God is impeding on our right to live and should let us live our own lives. If he tried to please everyone, he'd end up pleasing no one.

The bottom line is, I admit I am a religious guy, But unlike some other religious guys, I do not act superior or look down on non-religious (If I came across that way in my post, I apologize) If people are fine with not believing in God, then all the more happiness to them. It is THEIR choice and they have every right to believe in it, just like I do in my religion. All I care about is the Moral Center, that people choose to do good instead of evil, to do the right thing instead of the wrong thing. If they do it despite the fact they do not have Religion in their lives, then that just shows that a Moral Center doesn't need God to develop, it's part of something that should be part of every Human Being.

Religion to me, is a very deep and personal thing, and I have seen over and over that no matter how it's brought up by either side of the argument, it just adds more to the ignorance and hatred of both sides. As long as you're a good guy, I don't care!

And what better way to give an example then a video game! Anyone who's played the never released in America SNES game; LiveALive, would know that the antagonist dies with this little quip that really seemed to make sense to me.

Odio: "As long as there is hatred, anyone can become a demon."

C'mon people now,
Smile on your brother
Ev'rybody get together
Try and love one another right now.

EDIT: Just to try to sound objective, (If I fail, I apologize for this as well) I will give my arguments against Religion as well: I honestly do hate it when people do horrible things in the name of God like kill without remorse or judge with out any real rights to it, or even superiority despite the fact that Religion is supposed to be about love and goodness.

Corruption in the Church I admit is very horrible, but then again so is Corruption in the Schools, Corruption in The police, Corruption in the Government. No matter where the corruption is, it's detrimental and frankly insulting to what ever organization it is.

I know people in my religion have made very bad choices in the past and even right now. But I still wish to be religious. I have German Heritage, does that mean I shouldn't be because many Germans in the past killed millions of people? I absolutely hate and am disgusted by what my forefathers did in the past, but that doesn't mean I am going to let it affect who I am and who I choose to be.

 

[Acton Hank]

I'd ask him: "Why did you allow Adam Sessler to be born?!"

What's wrong with Adam Sessler? xD

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

Would you use that wording? Heh, I know I wouldn't swear at then call arrogant a divine being.

Maybe I wouldn't swear, I'd still call him arrogant and demand an answer though. Especially if he was going to try and send me to Hell for not believing.

The most annoying person on the planet maybe?
Oh wait that's Morgan Webb, I take it back.

 

[Woodsey]

I'd ask him: "Why did you allow Adam Sessler to be born?!"

What's wrong with Adam Sessler? xD

I'd ask him why he demands people believe in him with f*ck all proof. Talk about arrogance.

Would you use that wording? Heh, I know I wouldn't swear at then call arrogant a divine being.

Maybe I wouldn't swear, I'd still call him arrogant and demand an answer though. Especially if he was going to try and send me to Hell for not believing.

The most annoying person on the planet maybe?
Oh wait that's Morgan Webb, I take it back.

Now HER I can understand.

Adam Sessler always has some interesting stuff to say I think though.

 

[Composer]

I think I'd rather burn in hell than live in heaven under a god who supports infanticide, genocide, rape, incest, slavery, and kidnapping.

Hey! Slavery was a lot different back then, and I'm pretty sure the Bible taboos infanticide!

Slavery is still slavery and There's still rape, incest, and genocide in the atheist argument corner.

never give up a chance to rage out now do we repo?

 

[Panda Mania]

What would you say when you met him?

Would you fall on your knees and beg for forgiveness? Would you try to ignore him? Would you sing a jaunty tune? I've always been curious as to what the skeptics would do if it turned out they were wrong. This topic appeases that curiosity of mine.

I would ask how he could try to make me accountable for any of my actions when the logical conclusion of an all knowing God that created everything is that he knew exactly what he was going to do when he made me thus he made all my decisions for me.

Ignoring the logical arguments I would ask why he intervened on things like Noah's Ark but couldn't lift a finger to stop world poverty, war and disease. Why was he so selective about who to help and when. Then I would ask how anyone who would idly stand by and at best just watch suffering has the right to judge any other person.

Ignoring those arguments I guess I would ask how I was supposed to know 'his' way the the 'right' way. With so much contradiction in the scriptures, hypocrisy in the church, not to mention the sheer number of believe systems which are largely developed through social conditioning how could anyone know that this religion was the 'true' one let alone the individual sect inside that belief system.

Ignoring that argument I would ask him how he can claim to be benevolent but willing to punish someone because they didn't believe in him.

Ignoring that argument I would argue how can I be told I have free will if choosing any other path than 'his' would lead to punishment.

Feel free to comment on any of these with what you think his responses would be. I do wonder what he'd think of you using leisure time on a computer on a Sunday the 'new' day of rest.

EDIT: I wouldn't really be worried about hell because if God is benevolent and all-powerful then he would just stop the devil from existing.

Unfortunately, myself, devout Christians and other believers are tongue-tied with these arguments. I would say there are no easy answers, but I don't even know that for sure, so >.>

And that's why I am an atheist, although it is nice to hear somebody who identifies themselves as religious admit that they, or what they believe in, could ever possibly be wrong.

Yes, it is a disturbing possibility; however, I always have believed that doubt is a bigger part of faith than people would ever think.

 

[Lexodus]

Yes, it is a disturbing possibility; however, I always have believed that doubt is a bigger part of faith than people would ever think.

You know what? You're damn well right, 'cause if you have doubt of the strength of your convictions, you can challenge them. If they withstand your tests and challenges, your faith will be stronger, and if they don't you won't be tied to a system that folds to a few simple questions.

 

[Redingold]

God is not a person with whom you can communicate.

You are aware that this thread is about the Christian god, right? The Christian God is most definitely a person and can be communicated with (or rather, he could be communicated with if he existed).

Then you are completely wrong. God is God. He is not human not even a solid form of being.

No, Christian God is most definitely a person. I don't care what you have to say on the subject, because you can't change what Christians believe or what the Bible says. Maybe your view of God is that he can't be communicated with, but Christians believe that he can be communicated with!

 

[AWAR]

God is not a person with whom you can communicate.

You are aware that this thread is about the Christian god, right? The Christian God is most definitely a person and can be communicated with (or rather, he could be communicated with if he existed).

Then you are completely wrong. God is God. He is not human not even a solid form of being.

No, Christian God is most definitely a person. I don't care what you have to say on the subject, because you can't change what Christians believe or what the Bible says. Maybe your view of God is that he can't be communicated with, but Christians believe that he can be communicated with!

Look, I dont know from what kind of Christian denomination are you but the teachings from my perspective (Eastern Orthodox) support that God is not some old guy up on the clouds, that's science fiction, but a nether form represented by the holy trinity- The father, the Son and the holy ghost. God can be communicated with, but not in any way by physical means
How can you say that God is a person? You know him? Is he a solid for of being, made from matter like me and you? How can you even define God in such a careless way; this is arrogant to say the least.
I'm confident that the bible interpretations in every christian denominations are not that vastly different and that the view on God is not that distorted among newer Dogmas and believers .