"I always let the Vanguard die."

[Blind0bserver]

I understand the sentiment, honestly. Every Vanguard I've encountered thrives on being a kill stealing asshole. I'll set up a Singularity for a Biotic Explosion, then out of nowhere Captain Killjoy zooms out of nowhere to steal the kill. I absolutely hate playing with Vanguards. They dominate Bronze level but are always terrible above that.

That being said, I'll pick the fucker off the ground. Having him around means fewer shots are fired at me.

Essentially this. I dislike playing with Vanguards in random teams because most of them don't have a little something called "target priority" and tend to engage in acts of outright Leeroy Jenkins-ism on a regular basis. Kind of ironic how much I hate them, considering that my name is Vanguard. So yeah, they stole my name and now my kills. Thanks, arse.

That said, regardless of who goes down on the team, I always help them back up. Vanguards included. Even if they're completely surrounded that's what a well-placed grenade and Tactical Cloak are for. Hell, if we're fighting the Geth it's even easier thanks to my Quarian Infiltrator having Sabotage.

No one gets left behind, no matter how obnoxious they are.

 

[Savryc]

Isn't the Vanguards job, by the very definition of the word, to charge in first and break up the enemy? It's like getting pissy at an Infiltrator because they're back there popping heads instead of punching things.

Maybe if you take advantage of the hole he opened up instead of hanging back you'd do better on your precious scoreboards.

 

[eventhorizon525]

I've actually had very good experiences with vanguards. Had a random gold with 2 human vanguards, a quarian infil, and me as a human sentinel. I just kept a constant warp to detonate on the heavy units and watched the fireworks unfold (and still ended up with top score).

I have had an issue with people trying to kick me just for being a human sentinel, and god does that get annoying. Yes, it is just warp and throw for powers (tech armor is incredibly situational), but with a low weight that basically means a throw every second or a detonation every 4, and I've only seen a few people who can actually keep up with that.

Why the hell would they kick you for being a human sentinel?! That class is a biotic explosion machine.

A few people would have 1 person do it for a second, then realize I was higher overall rank than them and had better gear >___>.

The time it DID turn into a kick was this Drell Vanguard complaining loudly in Russian. Unfortunately my Russian isn't going enough to basically tell him to stfu. Still funny it took him 2 min to convince the other people.

 

[walrusaurus]

I primarily play a drell vanguard, and I'd just like to say that a lot of the time if i'm charging to a low health target its out of nesessity: either i desperately need the shield power, or I'm running away from a particularly nasty group. Vanguards in general are probably overpowered in bronze, where the elite enemies tend to fly solo, as a vanguard can solo kill anything except a banshee with relative ease. That all changes in silver and gold, elites are always in groups of two or more allowing them to gib you between charges. Even with all the sheild onuses Drell vanguards have a pitiful 400 barrier strength.

The only class thats definitely overpowered in all difficulty levels is the Quarian Infiltrator fighting against Geth. The rest of the team can basically just afk the entire game.

 

[Rednog]

I don't have the problem of vanguards on my team since 90% of the time I play gold, where vanguards pretty much have no place.

 

[Mathak]

Someone ran to the other side of the map, died and is now whining for a rez? 3 guesses which class.
Someone completely ignoring any and all objectives, even if time's almost up? 3 guesses which class.
Someone too busy killing things to get to the extraction point in time, costing you a full extraction? Gee, 3 guesses.

Damn Vanguards. Yeah, I'll just go save your stupid ass from bleeding out behind those 2 Banshees, 3 Brutes and 5 Ravagers, np.

 

[JSDodd]

The whole point of having an ability that both gets you closer and restores barriers is that it allows vanguards to get into the thick of things.

And as has been said lots before: it's a team game, the idea is that you finish the mission and get out alive. Intentionally leaving 1 man down because "Waaaaaaah, he's stealing all my kills, waaaaaah" is kinda dickish.

The scoring system is fairly unbalanced as is anyway, support classes don't do as much damage as pure damage classes and therefore 2 same skilled players will get very different scores, just relax and enjoy the game.

 

[Von Strimmer]

I have never played as a vanguard... Perhaps I should start Krogans are where its at although I prefer Turian soldier.

I must say its good to finally find a topic on Mass Effects multiplayer component, I thought Bioware would screw up but I am happy to report that I was wrong

 

[Misho-]

Anyway: I've read almost every post in this thread and the general consensus seems to be "I pick everyone up when I can, but if the vanguard has gotten himself downed in a bad spot, I won't risk it." I'm actually glad to hear this. I mulled it over for a bit and decided that, no, I don't agree with letting the vanguard die just because he may be detracting my fun.

Well to be honest I'm glad that you reached that verdict, that seems to be my thought process too but regardless of the "downed" class. If I can risk it with a well placed Biotic Charge to the guy who's about to execute my fallen comrade and rez him/her I'll do it. If that Adept/Infiltrator/Sentinel/Vanguard/Engineer etc is out of reach or directly between 2 Atlas or anywhere near a Banshee (hate 'em Banshees) I won't risk it and would rather finish the wave to rez him/her.

I think what happens here is that Vanguard is generally the one used to charge (not necessarily "Biotic" Charge) at the Atlas Mech when it has it's shields full and will end up dead.

 

[Swyftstar]

I see a lot of people referring to the scores as if that was the only issue with Vanguards. A few people have mention kill stealing, true, but most of them have not mentioned the score. It's not about the score. Look at the other posts before you just label everybody scoreboard whores. See what they actually are complaining about. Answer or refute those complaints and stop using the easy copout that nobody has even mentioned.

 

[Aurgelmir]

I havent played a lot of the Multi Player yet, but I noticed that the Vanguards tend to be a bit to gung ho, running to far ahead of the rest of the group. So trying to save the Vanguard was hard sicne he was lying in the middle of 5 Geth every time

 

[tendaji]

I'll be honest, I love it when a vanguard charges an enemy that can 1-shot players. And I sorta always hope that they get 1-shotted, just so I can chuckle a bit. Otherwise I'll save them when I can, but if they decide to charge into a massive group and die, then nope, not risking myself for someone that reckless, I wouldn't expect someone to rescue me in that situation either.

 

[JamesCG]

Also, to add to my post from a while ago; I always play the objective. Always.

It's why I don't have a shotgun; So I don't NEED to charge to shoot people. I love my vindicator. Helps with hacking, and the extraction.

 

[RJ 17]

Personally I don't think of co-op games as being competitive. Yes, they keep score, yes they arrange the names in order of who had the most points, but still it's a team game. If I see someone down, I try to pick'em up if I can. Now if they ran in like a moron, got overwhelmed by 6 enemies and got downed, then yeah, chances are they're gonna die and they deserved to die for being a derpy. However, I'll still try to clear away a couple enemies and pick them up if I can, but sometimes it's just not in the cards.

This isn't F3AR in which the player with the most points gets a special ending, it's Gears of War Horde Mode with Mass Effect powers.

 

[Neonit]

hey, you see a vanguard charging up a fully shielded atlas and die, feel free to let him to bleed. thats not an issue with a class - thats an issue with a stupid stupid player.

you just need to remember that vanguard is designed to be a close combatant, we get a shield recharge for charging. if im knee deep in sh!t im going to charge EVERYWHERE. staying alive for ~10 secs and doing some damage is a valid tactic, instead of just saying "well - shit!". if you use the charge well you can be damn near immortal.

tbh i think you run into that issue only on bronze, because i havent yet seen stupid charges on silver. i did saw a lot of idiots standing 5m from extraction point looking stupid. that kind of stupidity knows no classes.

 

[JamesCG]

hey, you see a vanguard charging up a fully shielded atlas and die, feel free to let him to bleed. thats not an issue with a class - thats an issue with a stupid stupid player.

you just need to remember that vanguard is designed to be a close combatant, we get a shield recharge for charging. if im knee deep in sh!t im going to charge EVERYWHERE. staying alive for ~10 secs and doing some damage is a valid tactic, instead of just saying "well - shit!". if you use the charge well you can be damn near immortal.

tbh i think you run into that issue only on bronze, because i havent yet seen stupid charges on silver. i did saw a lot of idiots standing 5m from extraction point looking stupid. that kind of stupidity knows no classes.

I do admit to charging a fully shielded Atlas, but only on bronze. It's stupidly easy for me to actually survive that on bronze so I like to dick around. When I started playing silver I decided to not be so silly.

As to the people standing away from extraction; We got a partial extraction once because the last guy decided to stand right outside the extraction zone shooting at enemies that were behind cover. :c

 

[Neonit]

I do admit to charging a fully shielded Atlas, but only on bronze. It's stupidly easy for me to actually survive that on bronze so I like to dick around. When I started playing silver I decided to not be so silly.

ya, i did it too a couple of times, but you can always try to dodge your way out. which is why i added "...and die..."
i dont think there is anything to complain about if the tactic works. its when it goes wrong people start pointing fingers.

 

[JamesCG]

I do admit to charging a fully shielded Atlas, but only on bronze. It's stupidly easy for me to actually survive that on bronze so I like to dick around. When I started playing silver I decided to not be so silly.

ya, i did it too a couple of times, but you can always try to dodge your way out. which is why i added "...and die..."
i dont think there is anything to complain about if the tactic works. its when it goes wrong people start pointing fingers.

I usually have a billion emergency survival kits, so if I almost die I just pop one of those.

 

[Bloodtrozorx]

I don't intend to let them die but I'm a Human Male Engineer with a Combat Drone and an AR. There is no way I'm making across the map alone and alive. Sorry dude, We'll see you after the wave.