I am against fat acceptance

[notyouraveragejoe]

Apologies for the fact that, that was especially mean on my part but I feel it.

I seriously hope that the "we get to be unfair to them," thing was referring specifically to issues like the buying two plane tickets thing.[/quote]

Is there absolutely nothing wrong with you so you get to look down on other people? You can keep yourself "nice and thin" because of how you were raised, socio-economic level, your education, your genetics, age, gender and metabolism... You aren't doing as much as you give yourself credit for. Have some compassion. I hope you were only upset about the special legal privileges and not saying that you regularly pick on and hurt people for not being like you.

Sorry if I was mean, but as someone who struggles to keep a healthy weight, I felt that.

It's an issue of what you define as "unfair". I agree we shouldn't give "special" treatment to overweight people, and if we don't want to look at them, we certainly don't have to, but are you talking about going out of your way to cause them distress? 'Cause that just sounds like a jerkass thing to do, doesn't it.

If I don't like people with tans (and I don't), I don't have to associate with them, or compliment them on their tans, but are you saying I should specifically try to make them feel bad about their tans?

And how do you define the difference between being overweight because of a virus, or lack of brown fat, or genetics, versus "didn't stop eating"? Do you have some kind of radar that distinguishes between different "types" of fat people? Before you discriminate, do you spend the time to research the eating and exercise habits of your targets? Or do you want to just admit your veneer of "I only hate the ones who do it to themselves" is bullshit?

By the by, do you include people who really do eat a "normal" amount and exercise a "normal" amount, and gain weight because everyone is different in the same category as people who eat excessively? Do you track the fat people's diets, or just assume that because they're fat, they must eat more than you do?

To the three above I didn't mean just going out of your way and being an ass to fat people. What I meant was the two-seat thing and stuff like that. I do apologize if it was interpreted as me going out of my way to be an ass. So yeah I meant "unfair" as in the two-seat thing if they need it. No special treatment.

 

[KarmicToast]

As someone who used to be 300 pounds, I can tell you guys that the weight is its own punishment. Everything in your life, even small things you wouldn't think of become awful. Smaller chairs become uncomfortable, plane rides are almost impossible, it's next to impossible to find a girlfriend, your knees hurt, your health starts to diminish, you become at risk for major diseases, you get winded going up stairs, and have trouble even wiping your ass. It fucking sucks. And you know what else happens? Assholes who want to be funny yell insults at you from their cars, and sometimes even walking down the street. Being fat was the worst experience of my life. Yes, it can be controlled and fixed by anyone, and yes, its usually the own person's fault, but that doesn't mean people should add to the anguish just to get their kicks. We have laws protecting harassment of minorities, yet the color of their skin doesn't actually negatively affect almost every aspect of their life. So why then would you presume its okay to make someone who is already tortured by it everyday feel even worse, just so you can be a jackass. If you think that just because being overweight is someone's own fault then you should have free reign to make someone feel horrible then you can go get fucked.

 

[MelziGurl]

Sindaine:


Arcane Azmadi:
Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

Fat constricts organs and blood vessels, leading to hypertensension and a severely increased risk of strokes. Elevated LDL--blood cholesterol, associated with obesity--puts you at increased risk for plaque buildup in arteries, which can lead to heartattacks or bloodclots, which can, again, cause strokes.

Being overweight severely increases your risk of developing diabetes, which, untreated can cause gangrene that leads to losing a foot or leg, or blindness, or diabetic coma and death. Oh, it also tends to fuck with your immune system, putting you at risk for infections.

So yeah, how exactly is it possible for fat people to be healthy?

TOP 10 OBESITY MYTHS

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/12/top-10-obesity-myths/

Your answers are in that link.
EDIT: Mainly in myth 5.
EDIT 2: My personal trainer will also agree that not all fat people are unhealthy.

Studies do show that the relative risk of death among obese people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) at the highest end of the scale is significantly higher than normal weight people.[/q]

Hm yes, the ones dying younger must be more healthy than those of normal weight...

and I note that it mentions nothing about how it's even POSSIBLE to be both fit and fat--fitness implies that you don't get winded walking up the stairs, which fat people often do if their obesity is owing not enough excercise. Also my point about BP, stroke/heart/attack/diabetes risk. Yes, being too thin is dangerous; duh, obviously. But so is being fat.

Is it really that hard to understand that not all fat people are unhealthy? Do I need to go get it written down and signed by my personal trainer who actually knows about these things and is the informed source that actually tells me most of these important facts? NOT ALL fat people are unhealthy, you can be fit and fat which as stated in that link health is more to do with fitness NOT FAT!! I've never mentioned anything about death rates either, I'm not debating those and never have, I am trying to explain that fat people can be healthy at the same time. You asked me how it's possible and I gave you the answer (Myth 5).

I understand where you are coming from, I have an obese mother (thyroid) and an obese sister (Cushing Disease). My mum has given up on diets and exercise because it's just too damn easy for her thyroid to just give it all back and my sister became obese due to excess Cortasol in her body (she was a stick figure). I'm what a doctor would consider overweight yet recent blood results prove that I am healthy and that's considering the amount of shit I use to eat at the time. My immune system is awesome too, rarely sick and this was even before I began to exercise again.

So please, don't get smart arse and sarcastic with me, I understand more than you bloody know.

http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/cushings/cushings.htm

 

[ToastyTheCommie]

Ricky Gervais is the only person who has ever made a comment on the obese that has ever made any sense to me.

 

[Sindaine]

indaine:


Sindaine:

Arcane Azmadi:
Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

Fat constricts organs and blood vessels, leading to hypertensension and a severely increased risk of strokes. Elevated LDL--blood cholesterol, associated with obesity--puts you at increased risk for plaque buildup in arteries, which can lead to heartattacks or bloodclots, which can, again, cause strokes.

Being overweight severely increases your risk of developing diabetes, which, untreated can cause gangrene that leads to losing a foot or leg, or blindness, or diabetic coma and death. Oh, it also tends to fuck with your immune system, putting you at risk for infections.

So yeah, how exactly is it possible for fat people to be healthy?

TOP 10 OBESITY MYTHS

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/12/top-10-obesity-myths/

Your answers are in that link.
EDIT: Mainly in myth 5.
EDIT 2: My personal trainer will also agree that not all fat people are unhealthy.

Studies do show that the relative risk of death among obese people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) at the highest end of the scale is significantly higher than normal weight people.[/q]

Hm yes, the ones dying younger must be more healthy than those of normal weight...

and I note that it mentions nothing about how it's even POSSIBLE to be both fit and fat--fitness implies that you don't get winded walking up the stairs, which fat people often do if their obesity is owing not enough excercise. Also my point about BP, stroke/heart/attack/diabetes risk. Yes, being too thin is dangerous; duh, obviously. But so is being fat.

Is it really that hard to understand that not all fat people are unhealthy? Do I need to go get it written down and signed by my personal trainer who actually knows about these things and is the informed source that actually tells me most of these important facts? NOT ALL fat people are unhealthy, you can be fit and fat which as stated in that link health is more to do with fitness NOT FAT!! I've never mentioned anything about death rates either, I'm not debating those and never have, I am trying to explain that fat people can be healthy at the same time. You asked me how it's possible and I gave you the answer (Myth 5).

I understand where you are coming from, I have an obese mother (thyroid) and an obese sister (Cushing Disease). My mum has given up on diets and exercise because it's just too damn easy for her thyroid to just give it all back and my sister became obese due to excess Cortasol in her body (she was a stick figure). I'm what a doctor would consider overweight yet recent blood results prove that I am healthy and that's considering the amount of shit I use to eat at the time. My immune system is awesome too, rarely sick and this was even before I began to exercise again.

So please, don't get smart arse and sarcastic with me, I understand more than you bloody know.

When you're overweight, your heart is physically struggling to beat owing to all the fat deposits on its surface. I've watched a surgery; it's gross all the slimy yellow patches where it should be slick and red and healthy-looking. Fat deposits on and in the heart can result in strokes or heart attacks. Not to mention the veins stand out like snakes with the seriously-elevated BP. (High BP, besides being risk factor for stroke, can also damage the optic nerve and cause blindness.) The obese are also often subject to sleep apnea, wherein the fat folds on one's throat press down on the larynx and impede breathing. This can cause snoring, snorting or gasping, and can sometimes result in many minute wakings all throughout the night, depriving the individual of a good deep REM sleep which means they are tired all the time. This can honestly be a vicious cycle, as the tired body's metabolism is slow, which worsens one's obesity, which causes worse apnea, which causes.....

So yeah, just because you somehow manage to be fat and have low cholesterol--how that works I have no idea--doesn't mean you're healthy.

 

[MelziGurl]

indaine:


Sindaine:

Arcane Azmadi:
Fat people are unhealthy and should NOT be just accepting it.

Blanket statement much. Not all fat people are unhealthy, let's get this idea out of our heads okay.

Fat constricts organs and blood vessels, leading to hypertensension and a severely increased risk of strokes. Elevated LDL--blood cholesterol, associated with obesity--puts you at increased risk for plaque buildup in arteries, which can lead to heartattacks or bloodclots, which can, again, cause strokes.

Being overweight severely increases your risk of developing diabetes, which, untreated can cause gangrene that leads to losing a foot or leg, or blindness, or diabetic coma and death. Oh, it also tends to fuck with your immune system, putting you at risk for infections.

So yeah, how exactly is it possible for fat people to be healthy?

TOP 10 OBESITY MYTHS

http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/12/top-10-obesity-myths/

Your answers are in that link.
EDIT: Mainly in myth 5.
EDIT 2: My personal trainer will also agree that not all fat people are unhealthy.

Studies do show that the relative risk of death among obese people with a Body Mass Index (BMI) at the highest end of the scale is significantly higher than normal weight people.[/q]

Hm yes, the ones dying younger must be more healthy than those of normal weight...

and I note that it mentions nothing about how it's even POSSIBLE to be both fit and fat--fitness implies that you don't get winded walking up the stairs, which fat people often do if their obesity is owing not enough excercise. Also my point about BP, stroke/heart/attack/diabetes risk. Yes, being too thin is dangerous; duh, obviously. But so is being fat.

Is it really that hard to understand that not all fat people are unhealthy? Do I need to go get it written down and signed by my personal trainer who actually knows about these things and is the informed source that actually tells me most of these important facts? NOT ALL fat people are unhealthy, you can be fit and fat which as stated in that link health is more to do with fitness NOT FAT!! I've never mentioned anything about death rates either, I'm not debating those and never have, I am trying to explain that fat people can be healthy at the same time. You asked me how it's possible and I gave you the answer (Myth 5).

I understand where you are coming from, I have an obese mother (thyroid) and an obese sister (Cushing Disease). My mum has given up on diets and exercise because it's just too damn easy for her thyroid to just give it all back and my sister became obese due to excess Cortasol in her body (she was a stick figure). I'm what a doctor would consider overweight yet recent blood results prove that I am healthy and that's considering the amount of shit I use to eat at the time. My immune system is awesome too, rarely sick and this was even before I began to exercise again.

So please, don't get smart arse and sarcastic with me, I understand more than you bloody know.

When you're overweight, your heart is physically struggling to beat owing to all the fat deposits on its surface. I've watched a surgery; it's gross all the slimy yellow patches where it should be slick and red and healthy-looking. Fat deposits on and in the heart can result in strokes or heart attacks. Not to mention the veins stand out like snakes with the seriously-elevated BP. (High BP, besides being risk factor for stroke, can also damage the optic nerve and cause blindness.) The obese are also often subject to sleep apnea, wherein the fat folds on one's throat press down on the larynx and impede breathing. This can cause snoring, snorting or gasping, and can sometimes result in many minute wakings all throughout the night, depriving the individual of a good deep REM sleep which means they are tired all the time. This can honestly be a vicious cycle, as the tired body's metabolism is slow, which worsens one's obesity, which causes worse apnea, which causes.....

So yeah, just because you somehow manage to be fat and have low cholesterol--how that works I have no idea--doesn't mean you're healthy.

It really isn't that hard, fat may be hard to lose but controlling your colesterol levels is a different story. This person explains it quite well:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061117154952AAhybXH

Like I said, I get my information from my personal trainer because she needs to know these things. And as the earlier article stated, a healthy obese person is determined also on where the fat is stored on the body. Being fat does not equal unhealthy, it unfortunately is for alot of obese people but not for everyone. I'm standing by that, because it's not just what I've been told but what I've been finding on the internet.

 

[funguy2121]

Fat acceptance is an anti discrimination movement aimed at creating laws that punish people for discriminating against the overweight, I am completely against this.

I'm against laws that prevent private citizens from discriminating against anyone for any reason. (2)If a potential employer is a jackass who irrationally hates black people, would you *really* want to work for him even if the law makes him hire you?

(1)You can't magically legislate universal acceptance into existence. Get over it and go find someone that WILL accept you.

So should gender selection be legal or banned?

Legal.

I agree with (1), and that's about it. While it's true that people are out there who will get away with breaking every single law, and most lawbreakers are shitty people to be around, this does not mean we should repeal the law against murder, or against embezzlement, or against discrimination.

I know plenty of black people who (2) would want to do exactly that. Your anti-civil rights argument seems a bit flimsy.

(1)So the fact that "discrimination" against black people is illegal means that people who irrationally dislike blacks are equivalent to murderers? (2)The NATURE of the law that you've broken means nothing? (3)Good, because I've been thinking that these idiots who run themselves off the road during rush hour and make everyone late for work need to be executed.

(4)I am against laws that forbid discrimination of ANY kind (whether you're against blacks, whites, felons, fatties, or women who wear low-cut jeans so you can see their thong) because enacting these laws necessitates the violation of someone's rights. (5)If you choose to be an asshole with your property and deny its use to other people on an irrational basis, so be it. In a society that respects (6)REAL rights (not whatever these mythical "civil" rights are), the target of such "discrimination" is free to seek those goods and services elsewhere or even produce them. (7)There is nothing that entitles anyone to a job, bus ride, or even a sandwich produced by someone else if that someone else does not choose to hire, drive, or sell.

(8)People complain about greed as if it were something bad, but in a truly capitalist society it is the greatest leveling factor in existence. Greedy, selfish people don't care who does the work as long as they do it well and cheaply. They don't care who's offering dollars for their sandwiches. They don't care who sits on their bus as long as they PAY for it.

(9)I am both female and obese and I've never encountered any "discrimination" of any kind in my life--except at the hands of people who insist that I believe their bullshit complaints about being victimized and discriminated against. Everybody else is too busy getting on with their lives to give a damn.

Let me start by regurgitating the words you arbitrarily put in my mouth.

"Blech!"

There. Now...

(1) That's an argument for another thread if you believe it. Not my words, buddy boy, I do believe you quoted me so you can see the disparity.
(2) Ditto.
(3) Ditto.
(4) First of all, you're lumping sexual harassment offenders and sluts in with all black and overweight people, and second, it is NOT you're right to deny another his/her rights. What isn't clear about that? Whose rights trump others'? The only time a person is not within his/her rights is when he/her is stomping all over another's, as in the situation you are championing. The real world isn't as easy as you imagine for the downtrodden.
(5) Your employees are not your property, and neither is your company.
(6) Define or be subject to my ongoing facepalming and name-calling (dipshit).
(7) I believe the term is "utopia," and in it asshole bigots like these (and you) would not exist.
(8) Because it categorically is. Ayn Rand was wrong, about this amongst a great many other things.
(9) I am reminded of the Family Guy where Brian meets a pretty girl at a party who insists on only talking about all the fetuses the "democrats have murdered." He asks her, "Have you ever had sex consensually?" and her answer is no. Enjoy wanking it to Sean Hannity, you willfully blind asexual monster.

 

[jediknight381]

being fat is your own damn fault. the simple solution to weight loss is to burn more calories than you take in. it isnt my fault that you gorge yourself and then choose not to exercise, if you ask, me you DONT deserve special treatment because your too fuckin lazy to exercise.

 

[Daffy F]

If I'm honest, I think the vast majority of fat people should lose some Fucking weight. Seriously. i remember hearing Ricky Gervais talking about this and totally agreeing.

 

[Mcupobob]

People should have the free choice too be obese, smoke, and drink without anyone telling them what to do or how to live. THEIR HEALTH should not be your problem leave them alone and allow them to make the choices on how to live you pious prick.

Well, technically, their health issues are our problems because we have these systems called health care and insurance. In the US, our current system is that people pile their money up by an amount measured to their likeliness to use it, we call it insurance. The thing is that on the health care side, the system will cut losses of those who don't have insurance (usually giving them half off or even cheaper) by raising the bill for those who do, making their money piles smaller which mean everyone has to start contributing more and more whether or not they're using any of the money pile. Those who are unhealthy, especially those with unhealthy habits (such as overeating, drinking, smoking) are the first to get drop from their insurance when they experience any health problems. Doctors will end up passing the bulk of their bills onto the rest of us who do.

So when I'm watching some fatty fat wolf down his 10th BigMac in a single sitting, I know that's why the premium for my insurance went up again another 13 dollars a month this year despite the fact that I haven't used it since I've gotten it.

I'm confused and will confesse that I don't know much about insurance, but the reason above you posted is why I think we should pay for are own healthcare. Smokers and siners all alike all have to pay for it in tax, so you must take that into account as well.

 

[Lonan]

My dad's cousin is fat and smokes and says that she has no intention of losing weight. She says that whatever kills her, she won't be any less dead, so she might as well enjoy things while she can. I have met many fat and obese people, and none of them have anything against their weight. Most of them nice, casual people who don't exactly intend to live forever. I don't think they will really be that much of a burden on the healthcare system, so I don't care very much.

My issue is with people who have a bit of a gut and are young adults. They aren't fat, but they aren't exactly skinny either. They aren't the jolly, sociable people who make you feel at home so much, they're just lazy and eat too much crap. They're the people who are the first to get into bad habits when something bad happens to them. They're the first ones to get really fat. I had a friend who was not fat at all in grade 9 and 10, but is now overweight and 19. I barely recognised him.

 

[President Moocow]

I agree that the laws are a bad idea but for a different reason: You can't legislate compassion. Making laws forcing people to accept a certain person will not work, especially since people are already naturally compassionate.

Frankly some people are considered "Obese" or "Overweight" by bullshit standards (BMI) who are actually perfectly healthy.

It's also annoying in American culture when you're required to present a certain view or you're offensive. Example: I'm attracted to slim skinny girls with nice curves(perhaps something to do with the fact that I'm a slim skinny guy), it's natural and frankly unsurprising, but holy shit if I was to actually say this to people I would be immediately labeled as a shallow insensitive bastard who should be held personally responsible for the obsession of skinny = attractive in America. And to what end? It's not going to make me attracted to different body types. All it would do is spread hate an reinforce stereotypes

Honestly I feel a lot of perfectly healthy people are being told they have some sort of disease and I think it's very wrong that society assumes that everyone has the same standard for a healthy body and force people to desire a body that isn't their own (in reality there are 3 types which are best labeled by Penn & Teller: The skinny fucks, the fat fucks and the just plain fucks).

 

[JoshGod]

i think another thing you should look at is the causes behind obesity
emossional problems, horrific childhood etc

 

[santacolia]

Apologies for the fact that, that was especially mean on my part but I feel it.

I seriously hope that the "we get to be unfair to them," thing was referring specifically to issues like the buying two plane tickets thing.

Is there absolutely nothing wrong with you so you get to look down on other people? You can keep yourself "nice and thin" because of how you were raised, socio-economic level, your education, your genetics, age, gender and metabolism... You aren't doing as much as you give yourself credit for. Have some compassion. I hope you were only upset about the special legal privileges and not saying that you regularly pick on and hurt people for not being like you.

Sorry if I was mean, but as someone who struggles to keep a healthy weight, I felt that.

It's an issue of what you define as "unfair". I agree we shouldn't give "special" treatment to overweight people, and if we don't want to look at them, we certainly don't have to, but are you talking about going out of your way to cause them distress? 'Cause that just sounds like a jerkass thing to do, doesn't it.

If I don't like people with tans (and I don't), I don't have to associate with them, or compliment them on their tans, but are you saying I should specifically try to make them feel bad about their tans?

And how do you define the difference between being overweight because of a virus, or lack of brown fat, or genetics, versus "didn't stop eating"? Do you have some kind of radar that distinguishes between different "types" of fat people? Before you discriminate, do you spend the time to research the eating and exercise habits of your targets? Or do you want to just admit your veneer of "I only hate the ones who do it to themselves" is bullshit?

By the by, do you include people who really do eat a "normal" amount and exercise a "normal" amount, and gain weight because everyone is different in the same category as people who eat excessively? Do you track the fat people's diets, or just assume that because they're fat, they must eat more than you do?

To the three above I didn't mean just going out of your way and being an ass to fat people. What I meant was the two-seat thing and stuff like that. I do apologize if it was interpreted as me going out of my way to be an ass. So yeah I meant "unfair" as in the two-seat thing if they need it. No special treatment.[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying. I understand what you mean now. I think most so far have agreed that being overweight should not come with special privileges.

 

[santacolia]

being fat is your own damn fault. the simple solution to weight loss is to burn more calories than you take in. it isnt my fault that you gorge yourself and then choose not to exercise, if you ask, me you DONT deserve special treatment because your too fuckin lazy to exercise.

You are only thin because you have money for the right food (or someone gives it to you), you've never given birth to children, and you don't suffer from any severe genetic diseases, viruses or emotional trauma. You probably have very little in the way of stress and responsibilities. Oh... and because you are 15! Your metabolism is higher then it ever will be again. Wait until you are 40 and you might be begging for that special treatment.

 

[Orekoya]

People should have the free choice too be obese, smoke, and drink without anyone telling them what to do or how to live. THEIR HEALTH should not be your problem leave them alone and allow them to make the choices on how to live you pious prick.

Well, technically, their health issues are our problems because we have these systems called health care and insurance. In the US, our current system is that people pile their money up by an amount measured to their likeliness to use it, we call it insurance. The thing is that on the health care side, the system will cut losses of those who don't have insurance (usually giving them half off or even cheaper) by raising the bill for those who do, making their money piles smaller which mean everyone has to start contributing more and more whether or not they're using any of the money pile. Those who are unhealthy, especially those with unhealthy habits (such as overeating, drinking, smoking) are the first to get drop from their insurance when they experience any health problems. Doctors will end up passing the bulk of their bills onto the rest of us who do.

So when I'm watching some fatty fat wolf down his 10th BigMac in a single sitting, I know that's why the premium for my insurance went up again another 13 dollars a month this year despite the fact that I haven't used it since I've gotten it.

I'm confused and will confesse that I don't know much about insurance, but the reason above you posted is why I think we should pay for are own healthcare. Smokers and siners all alike all have to pay for it in tax, so you must take that into account as well.

Yea, no. Not to go too off topic but universal health care is the way to go. Being someone who knows how insurance works since it's my job; paying for your own healthcare is a reaaally poor system.

 

[jediknight381]

being fat is your own damn fault. the simple solution to weight loss is to burn more calories than you take in. it isnt my fault that you gorge yourself and then choose not to exercise, if you ask, me you DONT deserve special treatment because your too fuckin lazy to exercise.

You are only thin because you have money for the right food (or someone gives it to you), you've never given birth to children, and you don't suffer from any severe genetic diseases, viruses or emotional trauma. You probably have very little in the way of stress and responsibilities. Oh... and because you are 15! Your metabolism is higher then it ever will be again. Wait until you are 40 and you might be begging for that special treatment.

hmmm, my 64 yr old grandma is fighting cancer and is in perfect condition. oh, and no matter what anybody says obesity is not a disease, what , is a fat dude gonna cough on me and then im fat?? Im middle class and don't eat salads, you don't need money to exercise or stopping you from eating that bucket of fried chicken. Salad is cheap.

 

[santacolia]

being fat is your own damn fault. the simple solution to weight loss is to burn more calories than you take in. it isnt my fault that you gorge yourself and then choose not to exercise, if you ask, me you DONT deserve special treatment because your too fuckin lazy to exercise.

You are only thin because you have money for the right food (or someone gives it to you), you've never given birth to children, and you don't suffer from any severe genetic diseases, viruses or emotional trauma. You probably have very little in the way of stress and responsibilities. Oh... and because you are 15! Your metabolism is higher then it ever will be again. Wait until you are 40 and you might be begging for that special treatment.

hmmm, my 64 yr old grandma is fighting cancer and is in perfect condition. oh, and no matter what anybody says obesity is not a disease, what , is a fat dude gonna cough on me and then im fat?? Im middle class and don't eat salads, you don't need money to exercise or stopping you from eating that bucket of fried chicken. Salad is cheap.

Wait... so your grandmother has cancer at a relatively early age and that somehow shows how she is in perfect condition? Did someone cough cancer on her? Good luck with that.

 

[Fwee]

I'm actually more interested in whether or not the fatty/skinny is a worthwhile human being.
Gender choice? Pretty weird concept. What about what the kid wants? Anybody ask the fetus if it wants a peach or a banana?

 

[Souplex]

You light supremacists keep trying to keep the fat man down, well I say no more! Fat power!