until they're fat for that long, their bodyy wouldn't take the strain of exercise.ElTigreSantiago said:
wow could u imagine that? i hope i never ever let myself get like that
I am against fat acceptance
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wow could u imagine that? i hope i never ever let myself get like that
I'm a size 16-18, I'm already discriminiated against when I go clothes shopping. Then again, I am on weight watchers now (lost about 6 kg since I started, yay!), so I'm doing something about this instead of bitching.
Of course diets don't work. Dieting alone won't help you shift from obesity to health, you have to exercise as well. As to anti-fat discrimination I'm uncertain. There seems to be a difference here between discriminating and ignoring. If you discriminate, you put someone down because of their way of life, choices, blah blah blah, if you just ignore, then it's letting someone get on regardless.
If you are discriminating, I see it as bullying, which I am wholly against, and think you are in the wrong, if however, it is something like the case of a job interview and not accepting the obese man for the part of lead trapeze artist in your circus, then that's just sense. Also, why not just ignore it? You want to be healthy, fine, your perogative, some people want to be fat.
The only line I begin to struggle with is medical attention, since if a fat peson is taing up taxpayers money unnecessarily, then I think that either they should be informed they will receive only a minimu of care, or they can accept help and treatment and alleviate the problem.
If you are discriminating, I see it as bullying, which I am wholly against, and think you are in the wrong, if however, it is something like the case of a job interview and not accepting the obese man for the part of lead trapeze artist in your circus, then that's just sense. Also, why not just ignore it? You want to be healthy, fine, your perogative, some people want to be fat.
The only line I begin to struggle with is medical attention, since if a fat peson is taing up taxpayers money unnecessarily, then I think that either they should be informed they will receive only a minimu of care, or they can accept help and treatment and alleviate the problem.
I agree, obesity is an ilness of sorts.
Learning to accept it is like learning to accept having herpes.
Learning to accept it is like learning to accept having herpes.
Yes lets all accept fat people completly as they are I'm sure that will have no long term effect on our children and the obesity rate certainly won't start to rapidly rise and hey if its okay for people to get as fat as they want why don't we accept paedophiles I mean they're only giving in to their urges like fat people are, ehy maybe we should accept Neo Nazis and racists I mean sure no-ones making them like that but by golly we should let people do what they want in our society, oh wait.
Your fat get over it, you don't have a disease, you don't have a disability you just ate too much and got too big, stop eating and
Your fat get over it, you don't have a disease, you don't have a disability you just ate too much and got too big, stop eating and
Then why is it there are so many parts of our media whether it be music videos or TV programs trying to make fat people feel good about themselves?TardyClock said:
People who smoke and people who drink are labeled as assholes. Most people I know act as if smoking is some horrible, evil act and anyone who smokes they treat them like they are murderers. Drinkers are constantly told to "THINK OF THE FAMILY!". I just see a double standard. Fat people (I'm talking obese) are doing something far more dangerous than smoking or drinking, yet they are getting away with it without guilt.
Honestly fat people don't bug me as much as creepy skeletal skinny people who always say "I'm not anorexic! I eat all the time!" For some it maybe be true but those people tend to look more natural. They are just disturbing to look at and kills their chances of making it to old age. That's a different topic though, sorry.
I understand your point of view on this and I agree that we shouldn't give them any special privileges just like we shouldn't give smokers or anyone else with a destructive habits special privileges... of course they want these things because they assume the world hates them. At least smokers are portrayed as "cool" in some of our pop culture. Fat has always been "disgusting" even if someone isn't big enough to be unhealthy. Doesn't really entitle them to a free seat on an airplane though so I'm torn.
On the choosing a gender thing... I think it's weird but I don't really care if the child is taken good care of by people who love them. I wonder where it will lead though?
I understand your point of view on this and I agree that we shouldn't give them any special privileges just like we shouldn't give smokers or anyone else with a destructive habits special privileges... of course they want these things because they assume the world hates them. At least smokers are portrayed as "cool" in some of our pop culture. Fat has always been "disgusting" even if someone isn't big enough to be unhealthy. Doesn't really entitle them to a free seat on an airplane though so I'm torn.
On the choosing a gender thing... I think it's weird but I don't really care if the child is taken good care of by people who love them. I wonder where it will lead though?
If they do fat people rights then i want smokers rights.You can't really discriminate against fat people without getting in trouble,or religion or anything else.
but i can keep getting laws shoved on me that don't let me smoke in resturants or even within 25 ft. of a door. Yes i know smoking is my choice but so is being fat.The genetic thing is BS my mom and dad were both fat and im a lil chubby but that cuz i picked up thier lifestyle if anything.I have a brother who is in great shape and a sister who is a stripper they have the same genes.
but i can keep getting laws shoved on me that don't let me smoke in resturants or even within 25 ft. of a door. Yes i know smoking is my choice but so is being fat.The genetic thing is BS my mom and dad were both fat and im a lil chubby but that cuz i picked up thier lifestyle if anything.I have a brother who is in great shape and a sister who is a stripper they have the same genes.
Most people YOU know are not everyone. As a matter of fact, I use to smoke and was never made to feel guilty about it until my family discovered my habit. The only thing about smoking that concerns me is that some have a disregard for others, even children when they decide to spark up. And drinking can make some consumers very violent which in turn can actually effect others against their wills. Obesity does not effect you physically or mentally unless you choose for it to yet others are happy to discriminate against them simply because they are fat...nothing else. Obesity only effects the person who is obese, smoking and drinking are a completely different matter altogther.Kortney said:
Straw man argument is straw. I liked how you added in the whole "accepting fat people = accepting paedophiles" which did a great job of just invalidating the entire post.Lord George said:
Oh and telling overweight people to lose weight by just saying "Durr stop eating" is like telling an alcoholic to give up his addiction by saying "Durr stop drinking,"
I agree that overweight people deserve no sympathy but they don't deserve all the crap they get either.
... you know I'm wracking my brain but the only thing I can think of is that one song by Mica in which he sings about preferring large women but other than that I got nothing. Give me some examples of the media trying to make fat people feel good about themselves.Kortney said:
Either way I don't give two shits about stuff on TV. If they want to make a series of commercials to dissuade people from becoming overweight like they do with drinking and smoking then I don't care. If you're offended by health advice then you're an idiot.
What I have an issue with is overweight people being abused and treated like scum as a result. When was the last time you saw someone being harrassed by people in the street for smoking and I don't mean someone saying "smoking's bad for you," I mean actual abuse, insults and violence.
Oh and being overweight is more dangerous that the results of alocoholism or heavy smoking? Is that so? In what bizarro universe do you live?
That just means your parents were fat because they had poor lifestyles and it wasn't their genetics. You can't inherit that. Some people do have bad genes, so don't everyone is just like you.WhiteRat07 said:
Sir Mixalot - I like big butts?TardyClock said:
There are campaigns happening in magazines at the moment that are supporting a positive body image at the moment. Other than that I can't think of anything else, not that I even think promoting a positive body image is a bad thing either.
And what he said.
It's not that im saying i have the fat gene.I actually kinda said i think it was my parents lifestyle.Personally i feel genetic or not it can be overcome to some extent.Everyone in my family either smokes or did smoke. But i doubt i can light up in a resturant and claim its genetic.I just don't think they should get special rights.I have sat next a large woman on bus for 5 hours she sweated all over me and throughly disgusted me.I think she should have had to buy another ticket. To spare me or whatever poor schmuck she was next to on the next bus that experiance.santacolia said:
On fat acceptance: I'll accept someone based on their personality and ability to do what needs doing. If you can be a skilled worker and aren't a total douche, who cares if you're fat? I don't find the idea of the anti-obese-discrimination movement so strange as I find the idea of obese discrimination.
As for the prebirth sex change, I think it should be legal. It isn't infringing on anybody's rights, so who is harmed by it being practicable? Nobody. There are plenty of individuals, on the other hand, who are harmed (however slightly) by banning it.
As for the prebirth sex change, I think it should be legal. It isn't infringing on anybody's rights, so who is harmed by it being practicable? Nobody. There are plenty of individuals, on the other hand, who are harmed (however slightly) by banning it.
Some of them might have medical conditions that make weight loss extraordinarily difficult, even while eating next to nothing and working oneself to exhaustion. That was my entire highschool career, subsisting on pickles and water and walking too and from school, running up and down the stairs when not doing homework and still never losing a pound. Then senior year my thyroid gland suddenly went into overdrive. I didn't need to sleep, had tons of energy and weight melted off me--I lost 90 pounds in the course of 3 months. My hair fell out, granted, but it was so worth it to slip into a size 4.
Yes, being overweight has complications of high cholesterol, high blood pressure and heart complications, diabetes to name just a few. Those things are statistically bigger killers in our society than alcohol poisoning or liver failure. They are bigger killers than lung cancer or other nicotine related diseases. No, I'm not saying that only fat people get heart complications by the way. And I stick by my words. Someone who is morbidly obese will not live as long as a heavy smoker or drinker nine times out of ten.TardyClock said:
Just yesterday in fact. I saw a pregnant woman at a Cafe I was at with my sister go absolutely ballistic at a smoker who was smoking about 10 meters away from her. She released a tirade of abuse, and everyone in the Cafe jumped to the side of the woman and the smoker had to leave. It wasn't a no smoke zone. He wasn't being a jackass. He was just sitting there with a cigarette. I see smokers get abused often. I am the opposite to you, I can't think of a time I have seen someone fat get abused. It must just be differences of location, so lets drop that angle of discussion.TardyClock said:
Look at advertisements against alcoholism. They are guilt tripped into giving it up. Look at advertisements against smoking. They are guilt tripped into giving it up. Sad music comes on and it shows pictures of their children, and then has a picture of them lying like a corpse in a medical bed or something like that. Advertisements against obesity and weight loss are much more light hearted, they are inspiring and up beat. I don't necessarily think this is a good or a bad thing really, it's just a double standard.
The mistake you are making here is thinking I actually give a shit. I'm with you - I don't care if smokers or alcoholics are guilt tripped into giving up. I'm not offended by health advertisements. I don't smoke, drink or gamble and I'm not over weight. I don't really care - All I am doing is commenting on a double standard I see every day, and let me assure you it 100% exists where I am. If it doesn't exist where you live, then fair enough.
I like how you refuted my straw man argument and then did the exact same thing, I'm not linking the two or placing one before I'm just stating that its a double standard, there just both based around urges and by the same logic that its okay to give into the urge to eat as much as you want then paedophiles should be able to give into their urges, and food bears no relation to alcohol which has addictive properties and causes both a physical and mental dependency whereas with food its just about moderation so yes they can put down the fork and stop eating so damn much its not hard, they have no physical dependency on eating that much and unless their suffering from an eating disorder (which are very rare among the actual population no matter what the media keeps insisting) they have no mental dependency bar habit, hell they can properly eat the same amount if they make sure they eat a balanced diet and work out. So theres no real excuse for being fat bar laziness and I refuse to be nice in any manner to someone that bone idle.TardyClock said:
Its just a case of political correctness gone mad. I'm indifferent towards obesity but I don't want them to get special privileges just because they don't want to change.
However I am shocked about the 'sex selection' thing you mentioned. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, know what else is 'personal freedom'? Blowing your brains out, I won't stop you from doing that. (Not you OP, the people who practice it.)
However I am shocked about the 'sex selection' thing you mentioned. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, know what else is 'personal freedom'? Blowing your brains out, I won't stop you from doing that. (Not you OP, the people who practice it.)
I'm overweight, and this law kind of pisses me off too. Yeah, you're fat, so suck it up and deal with it. I don't care about my weight, but I don't feel entitled to any "special privileges" because of it. People who are just "you're fat therefore you're less than me" bother me as well, because I am academically extremely high achieving, but these people are being way to goddamn sensitive.