I am curious...why should God "have to be provable"?

[jayhawk97]

I could go on about this but I won't. The difference between your comments being less decent than mine is that you have nothing to lose by being convinced by my side. You gain a religion, you have something to look forword to after death. My life would change dramatically if I lose faith. There is no reason for you to pursue the subject, you don't believe in god, we get it, I'm not trying to change that. Everyday on television we here skeptics with new information on how god is not real. It's hard enough.

Religion has it's ups and it's downs. But mostly it's ups. When scientist discover cures and new wonders thats great. But when they actively go out and try to disprove god? Alter to what some people is there entire lives? Tell me how that is good? I don't give a shit about having the last comment. The common decency thing is maybe you should think about what your effect your comment will have on someone. I think that falls under common decency don't you?

-Fine, just ignore all the points I made and just make an appeal to some contorted version of ethics.

-If I suddenly became religious, I would gain nothing but a delusion. Why do you need to trick yourself into looking forward to something after death? Is not life and all that we get to experience in it enough to look forward to and appreciate? Why would it be so bad if you lose your faith? I'm not trying to force you, or anyone, to... if you truly believe, that's your choice. But if you were to eventually decide by your own logic and reason to abandon belief, what would you lose in it? The false sense of security and importance you get from holding on to a fairy tale? Why do you apply logic and reason to almost everything you do, but the case of god is an exception? Heck, why do you apply logic and reason to every god besides the one you were brainwashed to believe in?

-You're saying that the general cultural barrage we get is skeptical? I completely disagree. Ninety percent of the population here in the states is theistic, so ninety percent of the media and culture are the same. If you really believe, voices of reason shouldn't be a problem.

-You still haven't quantified religion's ups, but claim it mostly has those.

-Rarely do scientists try to "disprove god." Firstly, it needs no disproving. And secondly, any scientific research is not researching god or the ultimate question to everthing. It's investigating smaller things, to build our knowledge, and as our knowledge grows, there have been and will be increasingly fewer gaps of ignorance for "god" to hide it.

-I never thought that "common decency" included "don't question someone's beliefs or you'll make them think." Anything can be questioned in society if it isn't done in a rude or abrasive manner. From politics to child rearing practices to sports allegiances... why should religion be any different? If I can make someone who reads this who's never had to think about or rationalize their blind beliefs give stuff some thought, that's a very good thing. If they hold on to god, at least they maybe understand better why they do.

 

[sramota]

Because some people need proof for everything.

Indeed, those fools called "intellectual" and "sane"..


"Oh there's a bearded fella flying above us without a plane despite 6-7 billion others being unable? Oh he's also invisible, creating everything and the only one of his kind and he created all this from nothing, for no reason, and made us because he loves us, even though he couldn't love if he didn't create emotions so he can not love without creating love and then it's just a machination of his own device, quite like a sociopath proclaiming "love" for someone...? Yeeeeah you might want to give support for that claim."

In contrast to mr Christian who goes "That makes PERFECT sense!"
Damn scientology look-a-likes...

I could easily be skeptical about your non-beleif. If a god is real than he is most likely unable to comprehend, making narrow minded people like you needing proof for something that you would never be able to process. And who says he has a beard.

Ah, but if people like me are unable to comprehend a proof of God, then by design, I'm flawed and doomed to Hellfire anyways, because of God. So we're still on square one we're God either made me flawed in a way which he refuses to redeem my soul, or, he just plain doesn't exist and I'm just a sane and intellectual sceptic with a rather severe case of tourette's.
And on that point, I'm saying he has a beard,
are you to question the gender and looks of God? Like you KNOW anything about that, Believer.

Who said god controls your life? Thats what is called fatalism, and I am not a fatalist. You control your actions So your choices are your own. Therefore you would be doomed for eternity in hellfire because of YOUR OWN actions. ( I'm not trying to scare you into beleiving, merely making a point) And I did not question the gender and looks of god in my last post, Reread it.

Oh, I've tried to believe in God, trust me, I've sought him, I've begged, I've hunted,
but no, there's nothing that can make me believe in God, it's in my very nature to not accept.
And I just expanded on the beard issue.
So what ACTIONS will doom me?
The fact that I love unconditionally? That I help the poor? That I do charity work every week? That I study psychology at a university level just to help others?
"Oh but it's your faith"
Well, you see, that's not an action. That's a thought. Thought and action are NOT the same thing. (And there's fMRI's to prove it!)

Then you should have nothing to worry about. MRI's have never been able to proove anything. They've found neurotransmitters but have never known howthey work. Maybe you're not trying hard enough. And stop questioning my religion and my god. I have had enough of that for the past few years of my life. You people have made it harder to believe in him. What trouble does it cause people these days? If anything it makes people who do believe do good things. Is it really that big of a deal if we can have faith for something we don't need to be proven?

Neurotransmitters first of all have nothing to do with this,
second those are in MRI's not fMRI's
and third, we use fMRI's to prove a whole lot of things,
among others nowadays, what you're thinking.

And lastly, I don't worry for shite,
it's Christians who claim I'm doomed despite being a better and more loving character than them.. Curious case that is.


The more you know...