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Martyr4thecause said:
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In the case of the States ridiculing, making fun of, or being indifferent to Canada you generally are not supposed to take it seriously as it is in most but not all cases done in jest.
How about a trade? I will attempt to stop Americans from making US's Hat jokes, and you stop Canadians from making US is stupid jokes. If we start now we might have this done in about 200 years.
Lol dude, I think we should be friends,and as a Canadian, I would be proud to lay off the jokes, but I'm afraid more must be done than to just stop making fun of our hats (by the way, your referring to toques right? I've never heard anyone make fun of Canadian hats before. It seems kinda silly really). To sweeten the deal why don't we just stop making fun of each other altogether? Or maybe make fun of each other more! Make silly jokes about Canadian's more often, because after all, Canada needs more exposure in the states.

Now, since being on topic is necessary, I think that the fact that Developers like bioware hail from Canada is something we are already proud of (as it grants much revenue to our country), and simply having a Canadian flag appear next to the bioware logo would be sufficient to say "Hey, did you enjoy this game? If you did then support Canadian developers because we have talent too!" (In fact much of this mentality comes from feeling suppressed by how much of our media comes from the states, many Canadians just need something to make them feel "Not American." While this isn't something I agree with in principle, I can see their need to be recognized as coming from a proud independent country, to feel some national pride, as opposed to feeling like the suppressed little brother of the U.S.A.) Going back to my original topic, there is no need to make the character feel particularly Canadian because the character in any game (especially rpgs) is supposed to feel like it belongs to the player, whether that player comes from England, the U.S.A., Canada, Australia, Scotland, Ireland, etc. the in game character of the player should be what THEY want him/her to be, not what the developer wants them to be. I think that bioware recognizes that and this is why they continue to make some of the best role playing games of this age. Its because they allow the character to truly be YOURS, regardless of where your from, that they don't give sheperd, or any of their characters, a specific country from which he hails, and I think that its a smart move, considering that creating a specifically Canadian Hero would likely alienate some of the international audience to their games. After all, what's the point of showing national pride in a game if only Canadians like it?

Quick Summary, what I'm trying to say here (although never really did) is that we need to Support, and show our pride in Canadian game developers because they make great games, and the world will support them as well(if they like the games being developed by Canadians), but not necessarily show so much pride that they market their maple leaf so hard that people think we're all self absorbed pricks. I think that, if the Mass effect character had been particularly Canadian, the series would not be as popular as it is, partly because it alienates the international audience. And if a developer alienates their international audience, they become self absorbed pricks :) (No offense intended, if any was found, please make any replies respectful and level headed, thanks guys!...and girls!)
Nice reply you have good points with letting the character belong to the player, that makes sense, I just feel when you focus on one nationality exclusely without acknowledging your own to be quite sad. Thanks for the reply.
 

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Wait, you feel alienated and offended by BioWare for being more American than Canadian?

Well, that's very nice and all, but I feel alienated and offended by BioWare because they're making Dragon Age 2 more hack'n'slash, like how they made Mass Effect 2 more shooter. So what's more depressing? Where a game company that alienates its country, in the era of globalization, or a game company that alienates its own core fanbase?
I would have to say both, I really hate how the guns go against the mythos established. Guns hold 5000+ rounds and recoil does not affect accuracy. To cool down you simply deploy the heat sink/thermal clip, you do not actually need to replace it, just let it cool down. Bleh!
In ME, I read somewhere that guns were a small mass effect drive, chipped off a miniscule bit of steel from a block, and shot it out of a barrel. Sure, they overheated, but no clips are WAAAAAAAAAY better than clips.
I agree, that is why I like the combat in ME 1 better.
 

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Wonderful avatar! :D


OT: Since you changed your OP, I have no idea what the original topic was about.... Thanks for giving me the chance to have a good conversation.

*walks off grumbling*
What? I do not understand what you are asking.
 

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I am done here, I will just say it as clear as possible, the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such. I was not clear from the get go and people did not understand me. Do not look any farther into please because I want to see this forum end soon. Replying does not help that but I am aggressively adherent to the saying, do not start something you cannot finish.
Well there's certainly something to be said about the Americanisation of Western culture, but that's a lot bigger than just the Canadian videogame industry.

You could take this discussion in 2 fruitful directions, 2 perspectives; "Why do many developers of non-American countries often pick American main characters, or at least not characters from their own country (whenever the character's country is mentioned, and the universe of the game is Earth, of course)?" and "Why do so many characters apparently come from America?"

Regardless of what direction you take, it's bigger than just the Canadian gaming industry and not something you can really blame them for. It's a pattern that's spread throughout the Western culture.
 

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Hells bells, point missed moving on.
What exactly is your point then all I see is someone whining that in a piece of FICTION their country has joined with a country they seem to deem as a piece of shit. You have not really made any good points onto why it WOULDN'T happen while complaining and saying that someone has missed the point and shouldn't bother replying to the thread anymore.There is a great topic here but you are killing it by replying to people and then dismissing everything they are saying because it does not go up with your views on the situation that my friend is an immature brat throwing a tantrum finding out that Santa isn't real
Dude your a ass with your head deep in it, you feel like your country should be shown in the light on a game IN SPACE just because the company who made it is Canadian. Get over yourself, how many times is a country shown to be evil due to current events or past events. Do you think they want to have their country shown as "evil" in video games like Call of Duty with WW2(Nazi) or Modern Warfare(Taliban or what ever it is, I honestly don't care). Oh no I feel offended that a game in space has Canada is fused with United States and Canada isn't being shown with pride. Go fuck off dude, at least your country isn't being called "sue happy" or that we gladly remove freedoms when we want.
 

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Saulkar said:
I am done here, I will just say it as clear as possible, the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such. I was not clear from the get go and people did not understand me. Do not look any farther into please because I want to see this forum end soon. Replying does not help that but I am aggressively adherent to the saying, do not start something you cannot finish.
Well there's certainly something to be said about the Americanisation of Western culture, but that's a lot bigger than just the Canadian videogame industry.

You could take this discussion in 2 fruitful directions, 2 perspectives; "Why do many developers of non-American countries often pick American main characters, or at least not characters from their own country (whenever the character's country is mentioned, and the universe of the game is Earth, of course)?" and "Why do so many characters apparently come from America?"

Regardless of what direction you take, it's bigger than just the Canadian gaming industry and not something you can really blame them for. It's a pattern that's spread throughout the Western culture.
I really never thought of that, thanks for pointing that out.
 

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Saulkar said:
Hells bells, point missed moving on.
What exactly is your point then all I see is someone whining that in a piece of FICTION their country has joined with a country they seem to deem as a piece of shit. You have not really made any good points onto why it WOULDN'T happen while complaining and saying that someone has missed the point and shouldn't bother replying to the thread anymore.There is a great topic here but you are killing it by replying to people and then dismissing everything they are saying because it does not go up with your views on the situation that my friend is an immature brat throwing a tantrum finding out that Santa isn't real
Dude your a ass with your head deep in it, you feel like your country should be shown in the light on a game IN SPACE just because the company who made it is Canadian. Get over yourself, how many times is a country shown to be evil due to current events or past events. Do you think they want to have their country shown as "evil" in video games like Call of Duty with WW2(Nazi) or Modern Warfare(Taliban or what ever it is, I honestly don't care). Oh no I feel offended that a game in space has Canada is fused with United States and Canada isn't being shown with pride. Go fuck off dude, at least your country isn't being called "sue happy" or that we gladly remove freedoms when we want.
Um, ok, I did not understand any of that.
 

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If it makes you feel any better, Mark Meer (the voice actor for Shepard) as well as Jennifer Hale (femShep) are both Canadians.

So, technically...
 

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Probably already posted, but Mass Effect actually has a lot of Canadian references.
Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale, the Shepard voices, are both Canadian, and speak with slight Canadian accents. Donnelly fron ME2 was Scottish, but his voice actor was Canadian, and there are a number of Scottish Canadians in the world today. He may just as well have come from Nova Scotia. The Asari in charge of Omega is voiced by Carrie Anne Moss.

The Blood Dragon Armor was signed by a sports team from Edmonton. Drew Karpyshin, the man who wrote the Mass Effect book tie-ins which were referenced in ME2 is a Canadian.

There is a ton of little clues and hints teasing towards Canadian audiences that are present in both games.
 

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Saulkar said:
Cowabungaa said:
Saulkar said:
Yes and no, did you read the whole thing? If you did you would reaslise I am also targeting the entire Candain videogame industry for never representing my own nation.
What incentive would they have to do so? Why would they need to do so? Just because they're Canadian developers themselves? What's the point in that?
I am done here, I will just say it as clear as possible, the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such. I was not clear from the get go and people did not understand me. Do not look any farther into please because I want to see this forum end soon. Replying does not help that but I am aggressively adherent to the saying, do not start something you cannot finish.
Let me ask you this, how many games from japan feature characters who look Japanese? Lets look at pokemon how many look again instead of "white"? I don't know any, and what about Mario and Luigi they are Italian. Link isn't Asian either, I think the only game I can think of that was popular with a Asian main star was the Shenmue games. And now it's time for my proof on what I said, I will give links to popular games in japan with the main heroes/players(sadly i don't know the image tag if anyone could tell me after i post this i can fix this post).

Pokemon Black and White
http://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Pokemon-Black-and-White-Trainers.jpg

Mario
http://blog.8bitlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/super-mario-bros1.jpg

The Legend of Zelda
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16464/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060509115842692_640w.jpg

Final Fantasy
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051231013333/finalfantasy/images/a/af/Cloud_Strife_Nomura_art.jpg

Dragon Quest
http://www.dpadmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dragon-Quest-IX.jpg
(I see one Asian-ish person in this one)
 

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Arehexes said:
Krion_Vark said:
Saulkar said:
Hells bells, point missed moving on.
What exactly is your point then all I see is someone whining that in a piece of FICTION their country has joined with a country they seem to deem as a piece of shit. You have not really made any good points onto why it WOULDN'T happen while complaining and saying that someone has missed the point and shouldn't bother replying to the thread anymore.There is a great topic here but you are killing it by replying to people and then dismissing everything they are saying because it does not go up with your views on the situation that my friend is an immature brat throwing a tantrum finding out that Santa isn't real
Dude your a ass with your head deep in it, you feel like your country should be shown in the light on a game IN SPACE just because the company who made it is Canadian. Get over yourself, how many times is a country shown to be evil due to current events or past events. Do you think they want to have their country shown as "evil" in video games like Call of Duty with WW2(Nazi) or Modern Warfare(Taliban or what ever it is, I honestly don't care). Oh no I feel offended that a game in space has Canada is fused with United States and Canada isn't being shown with pride. Go fuck off dude, at least your country isn't being called "sue happy" or that we gladly remove freedoms when we want.
I am pretty sure you quoted the wrong person here.
 

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Arehexes said:
Saulkar said:
Cowabungaa said:
Saulkar said:
Yes and no, did you read the whole thing? If you did you would reaslise I am also targeting the entire Candain videogame industry for never representing my own nation.
What incentive would they have to do so? Why would they need to do so? Just because they're Canadian developers themselves? What's the point in that?
I am done here, I will just say it as clear as possible, the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such. I was not clear from the get go and people did not understand me. Do not look any farther into please because I want to see this forum end soon. Replying does not help that but I am aggressively adherent to the saying, do not start something you cannot finish.
Let me ask you this, how many games from japan feature characters who look Japanese? Lets look at pokemon how many look again instead of "white"? I don't know any, and what about Mario and Luigi they are Italian. Link isn't Asian either, I think the only game I can think of that was popular with a Asian main star was the Shenmue games. And now it's time for my proof on what I said, I will give links to popular games in japan with the main heroes/players(sadly i don't know the image tag if anyone could tell me after i post this i can fix this post).

Pokemon Black and White
http://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Pokemon-Black-and-White-Trainers.jpg

Mario
http://blog.8bitlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/super-mario-bros1.jpg

The Legend of Zelda
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16464/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060509115842692_640w.jpg

Final Fantasy
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051231013333/finalfantasy/images/a/af/Cloud_Strife_Nomura_art.jpg

Dragon Quest
http://www.dpadmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dragon-Quest-IX.jpg
(I see one Asian-ish person in this one)
Is not the reason Japanese characters in manga and anime look caucasian because they view pale skin more attractive? Correct if I am wrong please.

P.S. The links are good but for some reason firefox crashes when I click them, tell me what they are about.
 

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Krion_Vark said:
Arehexes said:
Krion_Vark said:
Saulkar said:
Hells bells, point missed moving on.
What exactly is your point then all I see is someone whining that in a piece of FICTION their country has joined with a country they seem to deem as a piece of shit. You have not really made any good points onto why it WOULDN'T happen while complaining and saying that someone has missed the point and shouldn't bother replying to the thread anymore.There is a great topic here but you are killing it by replying to people and then dismissing everything they are saying because it does not go up with your views on the situation that my friend is an immature brat throwing a tantrum finding out that Santa isn't real
Dude your a ass with your head deep in it, you feel like your country should be shown in the light on a game IN SPACE just because the company who made it is Canadian. Get over yourself, how many times is a country shown to be evil due to current events or past events. Do you think they want to have their country shown as "evil" in video games like Call of Duty with WW2(Nazi) or Modern Warfare(Taliban or what ever it is, I honestly don't care). Oh no I feel offended that a game in space has Canada is fused with United States and Canada isn't being shown with pride. Go fuck off dude, at least your country isn't being called "sue happy" or that we gladly remove freedoms when we want.
I am pretty sure you quoted the wrong person here.
Yeah I noticed it a while back :p sorry, my laptop is giving me mouse issues and i clicked the wrong name. That was ment for the Topic Maker not you, no hard feelings?
 

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Le Tueur said:
kouriichi said:
There are hundreds of reasons why this could have happened.
Overpopulation is one of the most plausible. Amarica needs more space, purchases addition space from canada and mexico, borders eventually blur, becomes one super nation.
We the people of America shall annex the nation of Canada and rename it "Rent-a-Space Storage". We will begin to store our old college items and unused clothing now.
That or a parking lot.

And not one of those nice ones eather. The kind with the weeds and junk coming up through the cracks.
 

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the reason Bioware wpuld make an American game is because... well think about it, whats the ratio of people in America to the people in Canada. America not only has an overall higher population, but we also are congrigated enough that we dont really have any real chors to do like gathering fire wood or hunting. These are more for sport. So we are alot of people with alot of time, and the only thing that does not seem to be affected by our recession (witch im proud to announce is over)was entertainment. We have the cash to pay up front, no questions asked.
Now do you think that if the protagonist was Canidain we really would have cared, not really. We do how ever have a very high sense of patriotism among most if not all states, so a game about an American hero might sell better then the hidden jewel that could have been.

Also, the funders of the game were EA... Entertainment America. I know not if this affected Biowares decesions with who to cast for the voices or the personalties themselves, but in the end these things are as the are.
 

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Saulkar said:
Arehexes said:
Saulkar said:
Cowabungaa said:
Saulkar said:
Yes and no, did you read the whole thing? If you did you would reaslise I am also targeting the entire Candain videogame industry for never representing my own nation.
What incentive would they have to do so? Why would they need to do so? Just because they're Canadian developers themselves? What's the point in that?
I am done here, I will just say it as clear as possible, the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such. I was not clear from the get go and people did not understand me. Do not look any farther into please because I want to see this forum end soon. Replying does not help that but I am aggressively adherent to the saying, do not start something you cannot finish.
Let me ask you this, how many games from japan feature characters who look Japanese? Lets look at pokemon how many look again instead of "white"? I don't know any, and what about Mario and Luigi they are Italian. Link isn't Asian either, I think the only game I can think of that was popular with a Asian main star was the Shenmue games. And now it's time for my proof on what I said, I will give links to popular games in japan with the main heroes/players(sadly i don't know the image tag if anyone could tell me after i post this i can fix this post).

Pokemon Black and White
http://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Pokemon-Black-and-White-Trainers.jpg

Mario
http://blog.8bitlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/super-mario-bros1.jpg

The Legend of Zelda
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16464/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060509115842692_640w.jpg

Final Fantasy
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051231013333/finalfantasy/images/a/af/Cloud_Strife_Nomura_art.jpg

Dragon Quest
http://www.dpadmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dragon-Quest-IX.jpg
(I see one Asian-ish person in this one)
Is not the reason Japanese characters in manga and anime look caucasian because they view pale skin more attractive? Correct if I am wrong please.

P.S. The links are good but for some reason firefox crashes when I click them, tell me what they are about.
This is true they do view the Caucasian look to be attractive, but the reason I brought it up was because you mention how game makers from Canada don't give props to Canadian characters as stated here.

"the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such."

That was what you said (please god don't let me mis quote someone else or I'll smash this laptop lol), and my point was companies from japan rarely if never use Asian characters in their own games. Wouldn't the same thing about not caring for their own people in japan even if they see white skin beautiful compared to their own? They picked one choice over another for some odd reason (this was for looks). And the links where to heroes from popular games from japan (Mario, The heroes from Pokemon Black and White, Legend of Zelda, Dragon Quest 9, and Cloud from Final Fantasy 7).
 

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whtkid6969 said:
the reason Bioware wpuld make an American game is because... well think about it, whats the ratio of people in America to the people in Canada. America not only has an overall higher population, but we also are congrigated enough that we dont really have any real chors to do like gathering fire wood or hunting. These are more for sport. So we are alot of people with alot of time, and the only thing that does not seem to be affected by our recession (witch im proud to announce is over)was entertainment. We have the cash to pay up front, no questions asked.
Now do you think that if the protagonist was Canidain we really would have cared, not really. We do how ever have a very high sense of patriotism among most if not all states, so a game about an American hero might sell better then the hidden jewel that could have been.

Also, the funders of the game were EA... Entertainment America. I know not if this affected Biowares decesions with who to cast for the voices or the personalties themselves, but in the end these things are as the are.
All good points, while I understand all of them, I wish someone would just take a chance.
 

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Arehexes said:
Saulkar said:
Arehexes said:
Saulkar said:
Cowabungaa said:
Saulkar said:
Yes and no, did you read the whole thing? If you did you would reaslise I am also targeting the entire Candain videogame industry for never representing my own nation.
What incentive would they have to do so? Why would they need to do so? Just because they're Canadian developers themselves? What's the point in that?
I am done here, I will just say it as clear as possible, the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such. I was not clear from the get go and people did not understand me. Do not look any farther into please because I want to see this forum end soon. Replying does not help that but I am aggressively adherent to the saying, do not start something you cannot finish.
Let me ask you this, how many games from japan feature characters who look Japanese? Lets look at pokemon how many look again instead of "white"? I don't know any, and what about Mario and Luigi they are Italian. Link isn't Asian either, I think the only game I can think of that was popular with a Asian main star was the Shenmue games. And now it's time for my proof on what I said, I will give links to popular games in japan with the main heroes/players(sadly i don't know the image tag if anyone could tell me after i post this i can fix this post).

Pokemon Black and White
http://gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/Pokemon-Black-and-White-Trainers.jpg

Mario
http://blog.8bitlibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/super-mario-bros1.jpg

The Legend of Zelda
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/16464/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060509115842692_640w.jpg

Final Fantasy
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051231013333/finalfantasy/images/a/af/Cloud_Strife_Nomura_art.jpg

Dragon Quest
http://www.dpadmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dragon-Quest-IX.jpg
(I see one Asian-ish person in this one)
Is not the reason Japanese characters in manga and anime look caucasian because they view pale skin more attractive? Correct if I am wrong please.

P.S. The links are good but for some reason firefox crashes when I click them, tell me what they are about.
This is true they do view the Caucasian look to be attractive, but the reason I brought it up was because you mention how game makers from Canada don't give props to Canadian characters as stated here.

"the videogame industry in Canada is rarely shows any love to its nation with an over abundance of American main characters and such."

That was what you said (please god don't let me mis quote someone else or I'll smash this laptop lol), and my point was companies from japan rarely if never use Asian characters in their own games. Wouldn't the same thing about not caring for their own people in japan even if they see white skin beautiful compared to their own? They picked one choice over another for some odd reason (this was for looks). And the links where to heroes from popular games from japan (Mario, The heroes from Pokemon Black and White, Legend of Zelda, Dragon Quest 9, and Cloud from Final Fantasy 7).
Ah see where you were going with this, thanks for the speedy reply.