I am mad at Arkham City
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You do know that the only reason you'd ever have to pay for Xbox live is if you want to do online multiplayer with something, right? If you own an Xbox you should already have the free Xbox live account that lets you access the stores and what not. Since I assume you bought the game new then your Catwoman missions are free. Her missions really don't add anything to the story but they are quite fun. So yeah, there's no need to subscribe to anything. Just sign in to live and download your goodies.Ronmartin said:
OT: Yes, I was very disappointed in the ending of Arkham City as well. The whole game was spent building up to a final confrontation with Strange and then he's quite literally shoved to the side in an awkward way so they could give more screen time to Joker. If anything it alludes to the possibility they ran out of development time and lacking the time to create a proper ending with strange the opted to use the resolution of what looks like was the resolution to Joker's story line to end the game. It would have worked out just fine had that been placed before the confrontation with Strange.
In my own opinion this is the rare case of there being too much Joker in a Batman story. He was the antagonist last time, and was portrayed as quite a secondary character in this one. It made for a nice underlying vehicle to drive Batman's navigation through Arkham City that would conveniently uncover what was really going on with Strange, but that was all. Joker was just frankly not a major threat this game and giving him the spotlight in what should have been the ultimate climax was an extremely poor decision by whomever developed the story. Joker was hardly a threat, hell his master plan was simply escaping from Arkham City. Granted the twist with Clayface was pretty cool, but he had no business being the final boss.
How do you mean about the Cthulu? I'm not calling out just curious where and what you mean exactly (Cthulu mythos seemed somewhat vague to me)Versuvius said:
You realiuse that you can still download DLC without having a Xbox live gold membership right. I have never had a gold membership because I do not think that it is right. I have bought the console, I have bought the game and I pay for my internet connection I am not going to then pay more just to play with 13 year old douche bags who will call me a fag everytime I kill them.Ronmartin said:
OT: I agree with everything you said about the story. When I finished it I went online to check that I had actually finished it. I throught that there was more to do that I was missing.
A lot of people are saying they wanted more after the big Clayface final fight, well doesn't that mean it was a really good game, if it leaves you wanting more of it?
I thought it ended rather abruptly. I loved the plot twist with Clayface but to then plunge us straight into a battle with him felt a bit rushed. I think the villains should have escaped the theater and if they wanted Clayface as the last boss then they should have had the next plot segment showcase Clayface destroying parts of the city. That way he's built up as a powerful boss, giving us greater satisfaction when we do manage to defeat him. I think they should have either done that or SilverHammerMan's idea, I love trippy boss fights.
I liked it. The whole plot between Hugo Strange and Ra's al-Ghul made everything seem ten times more important than Batman's petty grudge against criminals...and when Batman was begging Talia not to take the Joker to the Lazarus Pit, because 'you don't know what he's like'...well. Dude. This is the Demon's Head's daughter. He's a guy who thinks he's a clown. Let's be honest.KeyMaster45 said:
Then the Joker goes right ahead and proves he IS Batman's match, at least intellectually. Physically, he doesn't stand a chance. That's why he hired Clayface. Rather than thinking of the actual bossfight as the resolution, think of the rewarding cutscene. We've beaten the big monster, so now let the hero settle it with the villain.
"Do you want to know something funny? Even after all you've done, I still would have saved you."
"You know, that is pretty funny."
Loved those lines. And my girlfriend kept getting all upset about the Joker being killed. Apparently you're not allowed to kill the Joker. My sympathies are with the pregnant Harley. Unless Talia was carrying the pregnancy test in her pocket and it fell out when she tied Harley up, but that's not likely.
"Do you want to know something funny? Even after all you've done, I still would have saved you."
"You know, that is pretty funny."
Loved those lines. And my girlfriend kept getting all upset about the Joker being killed. Apparently you're not allowed to kill the Joker. My sympathies are with the pregnant Harley. Unless Talia was carrying the pregnancy test in her pocket and it fell out when she tied Harley up, but that's not likely.[/quote]
That part makes me think of the end of the killing joke which Hammil has said is his favorite Joker story and has wanted to make an animated adaptaion of for years but can't (thanks Alan Moore for cementing my hatred of you) so I bet he had something to do with that
"You know, that is pretty funny."
Loved those lines. And my girlfriend kept getting all upset about the Joker being killed. Apparently you're not allowed to kill the Joker. My sympathies are with the pregnant Harley. Unless Talia was carrying the pregnancy test in her pocket and it fell out when she tied Harley up, but that's not likely.[/quote]
That part makes me think of the end of the killing joke which Hammil has said is his favorite Joker story and has wanted to make an animated adaptaion of for years but can't (thanks Alan Moore for cementing my hatred of you) so I bet he had something to do with that
Had a 5 star story up till the end if Ras Al Ghul was the final boss it would've been better instead it feels like they had Clayface and didn't know where to put him so they threw him in at the end. Wonder tower explosion would've made a better conclusion instead it was more like a climax.
The overall story of the 2 games was Batman's fucked up, co-dependant relationship with Joker.
Therefore to me the ending was touching, beautiful and perfect.
Therefore to me the ending was touching, beautiful and perfect.
I liked how the final boss was handled, it would have just been stupid if they'd redone the joker thing and the final twist isn't as good if the character's already been revealed.
As for the final scene, Miracle said it perfectly:
As for the final scene, Miracle said it perfectly:
Yes the game could have done a lot more before the final showdown, there are a few loose ends that are probably waiting for a sequel, but everything with the Joker at the end was brilliant. Sure, it was a little weird when he carried him out and seemingly just left Talia, but that's more of an editing flaw than a writing flaw. There is however a bigger flaw with the end, and that's pacing. To put him right after the big reveal in the tower was simply horrible pacing, and it ruins all the big moments when they all happen within the same 15 minutes.MiracleOfSound said:
Hell yes! [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/326.320344-Hypnotic-reviews-Batman-Arkham-City#13084235]lordmoneywager said:
Arkham City (and the Arkham Asylum) are ficticious locations created by HP Lovecraft located somewhere in Massachusetts. DC just lifted the whole thing out of lack of originality because it was left as an open setting for people to build on. Now future generations will associate it with batman which makes me a bit miffed.agentorange98 said:
That's silly. The use of Arkham is a respectful nod toward Lovecraft. As many have done before.
The fact that the Cthulhu mythology has endured this long, suggests that Batman will only help it continue.
The fact that the Cthulhu mythology has endured this long, suggests that Batman will only help it continue.
Oh I get what you mean now but I think that's a little unfair cause DC is only really using the name of Arkham and even then it's totally different. Here it's a family name and a generational story integral to Gotham's history which has always been linked to family, also the history of Arkham Asylum is much more of a Gothic story rooted in psychological horror. While Lovecraft on the other hand just used Arkham as the name of the town in which the Miskatonic university was located, and beyond that his mythology of the great old ones, Cthulu and then Robert E. Howards exapnsions with the Mi-Go and the Icey Plateau of Lang are much more sci fi and other worldly horror when compared to the nature of Batman stories so firmly grounded in HUMAN tragedy, suffering, and maddness. It's alot like comparing Lovecraft to some elements of Silent Hill both are good and both are scary their just different enough to work, or in a comic book way it's Like Captain Mar-vel from Marvel comics compared to Captain Marvel AKA Shazam from DCVersuvius said:
How did it come out of nowhere? His presence is telegraphed throughout the game. Even the poster outside the Monarch Theatre is a fairly obvious clue, I thought it was fairly clever.
I felt the battle held a nice level of tension, I got a nice sense of desperation from that moment, besides Joker was hardly fighting fit.
I felt the battle held a nice level of tension, I got a nice sense of desperation from that moment, besides Joker was hardly fighting fit.