I don't like the ESRB

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MercurySteam

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wolfgamesstudios said:
ESRB is really starting to piss me off. i see plenty of games that are fine for me that i cant play cuz of like a bikini or alcohol happining to be in like, one freakin part of the game!!! a great example is halo, cuz its the most contrivercial. because cortana is naked for like, 5 seconds at a time on the screen and theirs cursing(is that not something everyone deals with like, EVERY DAY???) its rated M!! it barely even has any violence, much lower than manhunt or even LFD for that matter!!! and wtf is up with banning games? thats so stupid!! are we NOT protected under the (second?) ammendment to print/ read (make and play) freely?
thats my rant- lets hear yours!!!

p.s. cortanas 'private areas' are barely even visible so wtf??

sorry about the grammer i was not aware of the 'rules' about it.

pps. its just my opinion... jeeze...

I am finding myself annoyed by the processes and restrictions imposed by ESRB. Many of the games I would quite enjoy playing are classed outside of my purchasing capacity. It is a constant disappointment. Halo is one for mild nudity in the form of Cortana's digitised, glowing body. Other games such as Manhunt and Left 4 Dead are a whole lot more violent.

Isn't our Bill of Rights meant to stop this?

Your thoughts, please.
-Friendly neighbourhood Mod
At first I though it was the ESRB's fault.

But if you look on any of your games' box's it clearly says OFLC [http://www.oflc.gov.au/].
 

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Ok, first off the ESRB doesn't ban games. Some countries other than the US ban games, so maybe that's where you're getting confused. The fact that the major consoles don't want the image that publishing AO games would create isn't really their concern either. And this doesn't violate the bill of rights, because the bill of rights is supposed to protect your speech from the government, not somebody's opinion on it.

Second, the ESRB doesn't exist to rate games. It's primary function is to prevent the government from doing so. It's better to have a few games held back from you for a few years then for the government to come in, piss all over the constitution, and start banning things. I believe it was overturned, but one judge actually reviewed a total of four action games and said that games are not a protected form of expression because they cannot convey ideas. This is not what you want to be responsible for your rating system, and the constitution will not protect anyone from this given judicial review.

Now, if we were to discuss some sort of intermediary rating, let's say 15+, so that you don't have to wait until you were 17 to play anything that was deemed inappropriate for what basically constitutes a "tween"...
 

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You are in the US. There are no laws against selling games to minors, the ESRB is a suggestion to stores, and those stores wont sell to you because of store policy and the sue-happy climate we are in right now.
 

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1. The ESRB is a voluntary system which means it is NOT illegal for someone under the age of 17 to buy/own M rated games. It's simply industry standard to enforce the rule.

2. Judging by this post and how you present yourself if I was your parent I wouldn't let you play these games either. You definitely don't reek of maturity.
3. Thank God we have the ESRB and not some government run ratings board because then we'd be the Aussies.
 

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Major Tom said:
QuirkyTambourine said:
And what games has America banned? I know Australia bans games like no tomorrow, but what game has ever been banned in the US? (Other than some rape games I'm assuming)
I would like to point out that as of the 3rd of November 2009 977 games [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/classificationsbyrating?SearchView&searchorder=4&searchmax=0&searchwv=1&query=((%5Bcat%5D=Games))AND(%5BclassificationDate%5D%3E=1/1/2009)AND(%5BclassificationDate%5D%3C1/12/2009)] have been submitted to the OFLC for classification this year. Of those, a grand total of 4 were refused classification. Of those, L4D2 is probably the one most known. Mass Effect 2 is still pending, but it seems that the board has settled on MA15+, so I guess it just needs to be made official.

I'm tired of this. 1 high profile game gets RC'd and suddenly we ban games like no tomorrow.

Edit: Mass Effect 2, I mean. Mass Effect has been out a while. Oh, on the Fallout 3 drug thing, I don't think Bethesda could have won either way. Change it and you get the 'ooh, censorship' stuff, leave and you get 'that sucks, Fallout doesn't have morphine, what happened to med-x?'
In either case, the fact remains that a government feels it has the right to ban a game in the first place. I see this as a breach of a persons fundamental right to make their own decision
 

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thiosk said:
imacharginmehlaz0r said:
thiosk said:
I'm old enough to think that children under 25 shouldn't be allowed on the internet.

Spooky stuff, that internets.
we should have to take a test. because there are actually some ok children under thhe age of 25.
Virgin eyes.

Theres stuff I've seen on the internets that shouldn't be seen by ANYONE.

Stuff that would make slaneesh blush.

/shudder
i agree.
 

Kyle Hyde

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I think the problem is USA's standards of censorship in general rather then just the ESRB.
 

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mokes310 said:
orannis62 said:
The ESRB is not perfect, but it's a necessary evil. Think about it: this VOLUNTARY organization decides to stop, then the government will step in. Do we really want Hillary Clinton rating our games?
The I ask of you: Do you really want a voluntary board with no oversight rating your games and movies?

I am firmly against censorship on all levels and would much rather see the government set up a board to review media than independent groups like the ESRB or MPAA. They are FAR worse than the government.
How do you figure?
 

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IckleMissMayhem said:
kommunizt kat said:
This thread was probably made by a kid whose parents are really good ones since they actually give a damn about their kid...
OT: first of all its M for mature because of online interactions.
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iJosh said:
Lmao, Just going to have to wait till your old enough little boy.
This, but less insultingly put. Maybe you just need to ask your parents to get it for you, and/or demonstrate that you're mature enough to play.
wait were you talking about me? if not then I agree... I think that most parents nowadays are more lenient than the ones of my generation...
 

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The Hairminator said:
I don't think Halo rated M has anything to do with Cortana's nudity. More the fact that you kill people. All the time. And the swears in Halo are barely noticeable.
Well I think its mostly the online interactions... too many bad influences for children online (such as myself) I dont like seeing kids swear a lot I hate it when kids just randomly swear in matches. I tell them to shut up but they dont listen...
 

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kommunizt kat said:
The Hairminator said:
I don't think Halo rated M has anything to do with Cortana's nudity. More the fact that you kill people. All the time. And the swears in Halo are barely noticeable.
Well I think its mostly the online interactions... too many bad influences for children online (such as myself) I dont like seeing kids swear a lot I hate it when kids just randomly swear in matches. I tell them to shut up but they dont listen...
Telling them to shut up seems like a pretty stupid idea, since it will do nothing but fuel their rage.
 

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Major Tom said:
MercurySteam said:
At first I though it was the ESRB's fault.

But if you look on any of your games' box's it clearly says OFLC [http://www.oflc.gov.au/].
Let's see......Halo [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5c2433d416948a0bca25759f00820d25/affdec712051f448ca2575a90026a257!OpenDocument]....medium level animated violence....nope.

Halo: Combat Evolved [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5c2433d416948a0bca25759f00820d25/70648bbea7f84dacca2575a90026c6be!OpenDocument].....also medium level animated violence.

Next is Halo 2 [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5c2433d416948a0bca25759f00820d25/b79b86939ff7cf82ca2575a90026e883!OpenDocument]. Again, medium level animated violence.

Finally, Halo 3 [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5c2433d416948a0bca25759f00820d25/79b521cc6717fc84ca2575a900274128!OpenDocument]....moderate science fiction violence, gaming experience may change online.

No, no sex or nudity warnings issued by the OFLC. Don't know where you got that from.
That's because the OFLC never issued any nudity warnings. And neither did the ESRB. (go check their website if you don't beleve me)

And any smart person knows the OFLC website is http://www.oflc.gov.au (empahsis on the .au part).

Plus if you search Left 4 Dead 2 [http://www.oflc.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/d853f429dd038ae1ca25759b0003557c/981b9f23b74dbc0aca2576480057fedc!OpenDocument] on their website, it says under version "Revised". (That's Australian alright!)

Some (not all games) say www.oflc.gov.au on the rating stamp on the back. And let's not forget the OFLC put the Australian Coat of Arms [http://www.dest.gov.au/archive/HIGHERED/eippubs/eip02_4/coat_of_arms.gif] on Halo 1 + 2 as they are a government organisation.