I (finally) Watched Frozen!...I gotta say...

[Saetha]

Let It Go felt like a music video half-way through the film, out of place, but this may be the fault of it being pushed so much as a song by itself, separate from the film.

Totally.

When that song came up it felt like I was watching a Katy Perry music video or Glee. Which is a shame, because the idea behind the song itself was very interesting and not something I'd ever seen in a Disney movie before.

having the focus be on two female characters was what many people liked about it, in this day and age I guess its kind of refreshing (since the plot isn't actually about Anna's relationship with Kristoff)

It begs the question then of why he was put in the movie at all, since he was clearly just there to be the obvious "one true love" bait-and-switch.

Somehow I think the ideas this movie tried to convey would've gelled a lot better if it was just about Elsa and Anna, and didn't waste so much time luring the audience with these two carrots on sticks.

Yeah, that's my biggest issue with the movie. It felt like... I dunno. It wanted to be subversive and edgy but was too afraid to go whole-hog. So they kept the stick thin barbie princess, the annoying side kick, the hunky love interest, the unambiguously evil villain. As a matter of fact, I've noticed that the people who praise it for subverting the Disney formula... don't see very aware of what the Disney formula is, or what the company's done before.

"It's the first movie about familial rather than romantic love!" So Brave didn't happen then? "Well, Brave was about a mother and daughter. This is about two sisters!" Yeah, so was Lilo and Stitch. "But... it shows women are strong and hard-working and don't need a man to save them!" So did Mulan and Princess and the Frog, and they were even more progressive because the protagonists weren't white. Also, pretty sure Rapunzel did most of the saving in Tangled.

It's like... praise Frozen on it's own merits. Don't praise because it "subverts" standards that Disney's been tearing down since the Nineties.

erm...that wasn't the point of the movie...it was just about two sisters

Actually it kinda was. They wanted to create something other than the usual Disney Princess guff (that's not a direct quote, btw... ), and give female characters more agency. To craft a story about sisterhood and familial, not romantic, love.

And here we have exhibit A!

But seriously, if you don't see gender, and you don't take the lack of inclusiveness/cookie cutter tropes of previous Disney movies into account, then I guess it isn't surprising why you didn't find Frozen refreshing.

Exhibit B!

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

I finally saw it last night and I really enjoyed the movie.

The pacing was a little off since I felt like it was being rushed in certain areas, and there were some minor plot holes, but other than that I don't really have a whole lot of complaints.

"Do You Wanna Build a Snowman?" was awesome, and I liked the animations and how it was all put together in "Let it Go". I didn't mind Olaf so much since I just labeled him as the token "quirky Disney character". I swear there has to be that one character in a Disney movie or it doesn't get made.

Sven was awesome though.

Best reindeer ever.