"I hate..." No wait sorry I must stop you there. You can't use "hate" anymore, it's not PC. ¬_¬

[Parasondox]

Hello Escapist,

"Hate is such a strong word". Well so it may be but I would use it to passionately dislike something that deeply effects me. We get it, times have changed and certain words and phrases that were used in the 60's and 70's, can't be used in today's world. I've noticed in many threads and discussion that the word "hate" is seen as something that shouldn't be used cause it's too strong. Really the word hate is too strong to use? Me personally, saying I "dislike" something, doesn't really express what I feel at the time and why I feel that way. I am not just talking about that word but other words that were okay to use but just all of a sudden a no no due to political correctness. I can't say retard because I will offend those who have learning difficulties despite the fact I have never heard anyone use that word to insult them with. There may be cases out there that it has happened, which is why this is an open topic.
Calling an Afro-Caribbean person black is now offensive? Really? Well I'm black an if someone is using that to describe a physical feature then go for it.I will add the whole "******" thing is getting stupid now. Kanye West and Jay-Z can say it all they like but if someone who isn't black uses it, they get offended? If you don't want it being said by others DON'T FUCKING USE IT! I must input that adding an unnecessary insult to someone's feature is wrong by many levels, we are all different so get use to that.
I live in the UK and since the whole Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross radio sketch that was blown out of the control like wildfire by the media, I have noticed that comedians as well as commentators are kind of scared or worried because of the fear of offending someone due to political correctness and yes even people who just cry bloody murder at every outspoken comment or view.

Really what I am asking is has there been time where POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has just taken things one step too far that we can and can not say anymore in fear of offending anyone. I'd like to add I don't think political correctness is a bad thing because it stops us going back to the Victorian ages way of thinking. Women aren't objects they are human beings, Not liking a person because of their race, culture, and religion is wrong. I am just saying there are moments where things go too far. What is the line between on the edge and going over the top?

Comment below because I would love to know what you think cause in life I am still learning and good to talk to others about subjects like this whether we agree or disagree.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I hate when people whinge about the bogeyman of "political correctness" whenever they are confronted by situations where tact, diplomacy, or sensitivity might be called for. They somehow conflate taking three seconds to consider the feelings of others and how their behavior is perceived with a violation of their freedoms and rights.

I also hate turnips.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

I hate moaning about political correctness more than political correctness itself, especially when It's construed as 'impending on free speech' when it's just a desire to say whatever one wants without any repercussions, no matter how offensive or tasteless it is.


People aren't upset because you're being politically incorrect, people are upset because the joke is shit and lacks tact.

 

[krazykidd]

Ideally , we wouldn't offend anyone . I'm black and hate being described that way . Especially in the sentence " The black guy .However it's not offensive , it's annoying . There are terms that shouldn't be used , because the word in and of itself has a negative connotation and it's offensive . Like :

****** ( i personally believe black people should stop saying nigga also ).
******
*****
tranny ( not sure , but i think this is offensive )
Dyke ( not sure about this one too)
Retard


And so on and so forth . Because it's aimed at a specific group , who actually take offense at it .

 

[Thaluikhain]

I can't say retard because I will offend those who have learning difficulties despite the fact I have never heard anyone use that word to insult them with.

Er...really? Not even a variant, something with "-tard" on the end? Asstard, conservitard etc?

But yeah, this is very much offensive to people with learning difficulties, that's the whole point.

Really what I am asking is has there been time where POLITICAL CORRECTNESS has just taken things one step too far that we can and can not say anymore in fear of offending anyone. I'd like to add I don't think political correctness is a bad thing because it stops us going back to the Victorian ages way of thinking. I am just saying there are moments where things go too far.

Generally not, people complaining about it are complaining that people think less of them for going round insulting people.

OTOH, there was a case where "Three little pigs" was banned from a school because it would offend Muslims or somesuch. This was notable as it came as a complete surprise to the local Muslim community, they hadn't pushed for this or even been consulted. Someone, deciding to speak for them, had said something they didn't agree with, in a rare example of actual white knighting, rather than straw white knighting of someone who has taken the other side, or bigotry pretending to be something else.

Mind you, there are a lot of those sorts of stories around, but apparently this one was true, not invented by the sorts of newspapers that like to invent this sort of thing.

 

[Pink Gregory]

Most comedians actually turn out to be more sensitive, intelligent sorts who don't want to offend anyone who doesn't deserve it, because generally being offensive to people who don't deserve it isn't really all that funny.

It's a spectrum, on one end is being offensive, on the other is being patronising; and the BBC in particular lies nearer the latter.

Also, not wanting to use the word 'hate' has nothing to do with political correctness. Hyperbole just loses it's effect when it's so commonly used, and therefore it really means very little.

 

[game-lover]

Aww... but I enjoy that word. And all versions of it. They make such passionate statements.

"ALL OF MY HATE!" "Hatred!!" "I hate this with the passion of 1000 suns."

That type of stuff.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Sure, I hate political correctness. I feel it's one of the US's most aggravating social banes these days.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

tranny ( not sure , but i think this is offensive )

It's very offensive to transsexuals, yes.

Less so to auto mechanics.

...aggravating social banes these days.

I had an aggravating social Bane on my team the other night. He wouldn't shut up. "We need wards". "Who should I Nightmare?". "Huskar IMBA".

 

[Muspelheim]

"Political correctness gone MAAAD(TM)" strikes again, it seems...

I hate moaning about political correctness more than political correctness itself, especially when It's construed as 'impending on free speech' when it's just a desire to say whatever one wants without any repercussions, no matter how offensive or tasteless it is.


People aren't upset because you're being politically incorrect, people are upset because the joke is shit and lacks tact.

Once again, the Fox says exactly what I meant to say but can't express.

However, and this is a big fat however;

I understand your point, and I do agree that it feels a bit much sometimes. I'm European, and it can feel like I'm considered personally responsible for the abhorrent actions of long dead wankers from vaguely the same land as I. But such is life, people will give ridiculous judgement for stupid reasons. The best one can do is act like a decent human being. If you aren't being racist or bigoted, the people who claim you are because of reasons are wrong, after all. What they think matter less than how you live your life.

Certainly, it's much easier than reasonable to inadvertantly offend someone. But when that happens, it's easy with a bit of tact to solve the situation. Finding out what was the issue and working from there. Even better is to just ask what they'd prefer for an inoffensive term.

As for tactless jokes, well... My life isn't significantly worse because people will, quite rightly, find it less than amusing if I tell dreadful jokes.


And for rounding off, the "Hate"-bit... I wish people could save their hatred for things that truly deserve hatred. So-so movies and games you don't enjoy don't qualify as a target of hatred. Save that for proper scum, like traffickers, or Al-Shabaab.

 

[GundamSentinel]

Tact is always good, and I feel people have become a lot less tactful over the years, spouting whatever comes to mind under the banner of 'free speech'. Free speech is not a free pass to insult whomever you want.

Political correctness on the other hand can die in a fire. I really dislike people consciously tiptoeing around and being as inoffensive to everyone as possible because that's better for business. Like constantly inventing new terms for minorities because the old ones could be offensive. Or worse, smugly pointing out how offensive other people are. It's a very thin line, I guess, but in my mind there is a difference.

"Can you say Elf? I thought the correct term was Sylvan American."

 

[shrekfan246]

...aggravating social banes these days.

I had an aggravating social Bane on my team the other night. He wouldn't shut up. "We need wards". "Who should I Nightmare?". "Huskar IMBA".

"When the enemy team lies in flames, then you have my permission to rage out of the game."

OT: I feel like I got lost about midway through that rant, so I'll address the thread title?

I don't think the word "hate" has anything to do with political correctness. At least not by itself. Personally I just don't care for the word because I constantly see people use it in relation to absolutely meaningless things. I've been guilty of it too, but really, I hold nothing but pity for people who actually hate things that don't impact their lives.

 

[IllumInaTIma]

I think that by now Hate is just another word and figure of speech that we used to... using. Like "Am I the only Who..." sure you're fucking not, but phrasing your question this way is just easier for everyone to understand your point.

Although, I do agree that sometimes people tend to overreact a bit. Remember a "controversy" over a Killer Instinct presentation at E3? Yeah...

In the end, all it comes down to is intent. If someone wants to really insult or offend you he may do it without using any offensive words.

 

[krazykidd]

tranny ( not sure , but i think this is offensive )

It's very offensive to transsexuals, yes.

Less so to auto mechanics.

...aggravating social banes these days.

I had an aggravating social Bane on my team the other night. He wouldn't shut up. "We need wards". "Who should I Nightmare?". "Huskar IMBA".

Just out of curiosity? Why is it offensive? Does tranny mean something? I always thought it was short for transexual .

Other question ( yes i'm ignorant on this matter ) is homo and lesbo offensive to homsexuals?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Just out of curiosity? Why is it offensive? Does tranny mean something? I always thought it was short for transexual .

Other question ( yes i'm ignorant on this matter ) is homo and lesbo offensive to homsexuals?

It's a slang term often employed in a derogatory fashion. And like "Shemale" it has associations with the porn industry. I highly recommend against using it in the presence of transgendered people you don't know/can't predict the reaction of.

And yeah, "homo" and "lesbo" aren't recommended either. Nor is "Dyke", as per your original post. All are generally viewed as slurs.

 

[Neverhoodian]

I hate moaning about political correctness more than political correctness itself, especially when It's construed as 'impending on free speech' when it's just a desire to say whatever one wants without any repercussions, no matter how offensive or tasteless it is.


People aren't upset because you're being politically incorrect, people are upset because the joke is shit and lacks tact.

I have to agree. In my experience, the people that holler the loudest about "free speech" tend to be very abrasive and insecure individuals. They go around spewing all sort of verbal garbage expecting everyone else to take it, then turn around and lash out at people that express their disapproval about such rude behavior.

Freedom of speech is a two-way street. You can be a rude asshole if you want, but you'd better be prepared to live with others calling you out on your bullshit.

 

[Matt King]

What i find funny is that certain people can't say a word (e.g ******) because of their race, so in it itself, isn't that racist

 

[xmbts]

You're free to hate anything you like, just as anyone else is free to call you an asshole for it.

That said there's a difference between finding issue with something and going out of your way to make people feel unwelcome.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I don't think the word itself is necessarily too strong, it's more that it's overused to the point of having little meaning. When someone says they "hate" something they could mean they truly hate it or that they just merely dislike it or it's not to their individual taste. It's devolved to something along the terms of "nice," where overuse has ended up making it such an unspecific word that it requires more explanation.

I also find "hate" a poor word choice in discussion because it often closes doors. If you don't say why you dislike something or have an explanation for your use of the term, then there's really no where to go from there. Not that everything needs to become a debate or argument, of course, but the word just seems to pre-emprively say "this is how I feel, and I don't care how you feel."