"I hate..." No wait sorry I must stop you there. You can't use "hate" anymore, it's not PC. ¬_¬
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It's the same for love. We use it so often in barely appropriate contexts that the strength behind it has faded. Nonetheless, when someone uses either of those terms to describe something they have passionate feelings for (one way or the other), everyone will know what that person means. Yes, "I hate X" threads are annoying, not in the least because if everyone with an opinion on some particular subject were to make a rant about it, we'd never get to discussing games any more, but we, as humans, have to vent somehow, and even though "hate" or "love" might be hyperbolic, it's possibly the best way to get a point across. "I dislike cold pizza" doesn't really convey that same feeling, even though equalling "I hate cold pizza" with "I hate racism" is very jarring.lacktheknack said:
Meh. My fiddy cents
I hate people who complain about political correctness when they say something asinine or hateful. Yes, you have a right to be an asshole. And others have a right to inform you that you're being an asshole when it happens. That, in summation, is "political correctness." The right of others to inform you that you're a jerk.
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times have changed? my grandmother has been yelling at my family for using the word "hate" for as long as i can remember, and i bet she's been doing it since before my life time.
The only time i dislike PC (not hate, i think trying to treat people as they would like to be treated is no bad thing) is when people are unPC because of their unintentional ignorance, i.e i would have no idea how to describe someone from the caribbean in terms of race, whether saying he is black would be offensive or Afro-caribbean too patronizing. I feel that while i should research this sort of thing in this case or any individual case, for all strands of ethnic diversity it would be near impossible to know all PC terms.
But i suppose it's as others have said it's not the words so much as the intent they're used.
But i suppose it's as others have said it's not the words so much as the intent they're used.
It is not Politically Incorrect--it is just most often Factually Incorrect.
Hate whatever you want, but recognize that this is a problem with YOU, not the thing you detest in many cases.
Hate whatever you want, but recognize that this is a problem with YOU, not the thing you detest in many cases.
I don't think I have ever heard somebody say "you shouldn't hate" apart from the problem of unnecessary hyperbole (like the way "awesome" has been robbed of its meaning by American teenagers)
Complaining about political correctness is not subversive in any way whatsoever. I hear far more people wrongly dismissing something as PC when it is a genuine concern (essentially people using the PC defense when they are called out for acting like twats) than I have ever heard true cases of stupid PC rules (bear in mind that the majority of the "political correctness gone mad" stories are misreporting or just completely made up by tabloids, like the idea that primary school kids can't sing "baa baa black sheep" anymore)
It's worth mentioning that "political correctness" has always been a largely derogatory term, and I've never ever understood it. A lot of these issues are more social than political and in what sense are they "correct".
I will completely agree that the Russell Brand/ Jonathan Ross scandal reached a fucking insane scale. Somewhere in there was a discussion worth having but it was mired by talk of censorship and massive numbers of people acting outraged at something they never even watched.
Most of this is bad journalism. The Daily Mail is no. 1 when promoting "political correctness gone mad" stories AND no. 1 on frivolous campaigns against benign or only vaguely edgy content. They know that people will read both kinds of stories and they don't need to any research AT ALL to print them because they can pick on any old shit (or just invent something) and people will discuss it.
Personally I hate it when black people use the N-word as well (can't even make myself type that word) but I'd be resistant to arguing that point because it isn't directed at me (same goes for gay people who want to call themselves queer or dyke or whatever) but I'd be fully on the side of anybody in that group who speaks out against them.
In short it is important that we think about the words we use but it's worth giving people benefit of the doubt when possible.
Complaining about political correctness is not subversive in any way whatsoever. I hear far more people wrongly dismissing something as PC when it is a genuine concern (essentially people using the PC defense when they are called out for acting like twats) than I have ever heard true cases of stupid PC rules (bear in mind that the majority of the "political correctness gone mad" stories are misreporting or just completely made up by tabloids, like the idea that primary school kids can't sing "baa baa black sheep" anymore)
It's worth mentioning that "political correctness" has always been a largely derogatory term, and I've never ever understood it. A lot of these issues are more social than political and in what sense are they "correct".
I will completely agree that the Russell Brand/ Jonathan Ross scandal reached a fucking insane scale. Somewhere in there was a discussion worth having but it was mired by talk of censorship and massive numbers of people acting outraged at something they never even watched.
Most of this is bad journalism. The Daily Mail is no. 1 when promoting "political correctness gone mad" stories AND no. 1 on frivolous campaigns against benign or only vaguely edgy content. They know that people will read both kinds of stories and they don't need to any research AT ALL to print them because they can pick on any old shit (or just invent something) and people will discuss it.
Personally I hate it when black people use the N-word as well (can't even make myself type that word) but I'd be resistant to arguing that point because it isn't directed at me (same goes for gay people who want to call themselves queer or dyke or whatever) but I'd be fully on the side of anybody in that group who speaks out against them.
In short it is important that we think about the words we use but it's worth giving people benefit of the doubt when possible.
Saying 'hate' isn't political correctness, it's a very poor use of English. It is along the same lines as using definites at almost every occasion, such as 'This is the worst weather ever.' - Said in a drizzle. 'Pizza is the most amazing thing in the world.' - Really? And 'It always does that.' in relation to it doing something out of the ordinary. - No... nothing 'always' does anything it shouldn't, and it a great example of an oxymoron.
Learn to represent your feelings without resorting to definates and hyperboles; the English language is forgiving, flexible and covers an entire spectrum. We have an array of levels and superlatives that can be used instead.
Also: Relevant
Learn to represent your feelings without resorting to definates and hyperboles; the English language is forgiving, flexible and covers an entire spectrum. We have an array of levels and superlatives that can be used instead.
Also: Relevant
Sure but it doesnt discount there's more ways than verbal to be abused, and people practice it regardless of our attempts Do apes have to curtailed and learn prioritize civil discourse over bull? yes. But what about the rest of us who already know where the line exists and were brought up better and don't feel that we're above the law, and don't fling verbal feces unreasonably at people. what happens when an articulate person are at the point beyond logic and hits that 'look guy i don't know how to f'n break it you' point but still gets punished for policy that guards against irresponsible apes.BloatedGuppy said:
news analyst and commentators always have to apologize for misstatements to keep on message. But I remember during 2012's US election circus. a reporter Joe Williams being fired from Politico by blunting stating 'Romney doesn't know how to talk to black people'. As if it were any more obvious? Regardless of the political influence or image atmosphere. I still ask myself how did that merit a 'firing?' most news folks apologize and move on. See where the demand for proper discourse and image gets messy?
I didn't like when Juan Williams said he was afraid of people on planes wearing muslim garb either, but it was also wrong when NPR fired him. When we expect professionalism from others in informal discourse there are additional burdens that come with it. Many people I've noticed have their normal speak and their 'job interview' speak, and don't feel as though they have to hold their breaths everywhere. There are careers that exist on that 'crap sells so say it' foundation, but for every arsehole there are those who use this platform for worthwhile communication, I'm just saying the other end of enforcing mannered conversation can have bad effects too. Like you said 'slippery slopes' we want the medium, but many people operate on absolutes. Its up to a person to realize when they are out of line, or mods to selectively ban them.
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I won't argue that sometimes situations need to be handled with kid gloves, or that there exists a certain level of professionalism and tact required when conversing in public, but there comes a point where political correctness can mire progress.
I'm reminded of a scene in the first season of The West Wing, where President Bartlet's Chief of Staff Leo McGarry calls him out on being too independent. During the entire first quarter of his term, Bartlet was unable to get anything he wanted to get done done because he was too afraid of offending opponents. Eventually he comes to terms with this, and shouts: "This is more important than re-election, I want to speak now." Powerful sentence, isn't it? It speaks volumes about the need to voice one's opinions and take the actions one feels is right - regardless of who is going to like it and who isn't.
There's no reason to use crass language for the sole purpose of insulting people - but if you're talking about something real, and there is something that needs to be said, don't let anyone stop you. It's hard to articulate my opinions on political correctness because it's such a broad subject, but this should give you an idea.
(as for the PC considerations of the use of the word "hate", forget it. There are several people, places and things that I hate. That's the way the world works [http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/deal-with-it.png].)
I won't argue that sometimes situations need to be handled with kid gloves, or that there exists a certain level of professionalism and tact required when conversing in public, but there comes a point where political correctness can mire progress.
I'm reminded of a scene in the first season of The West Wing, where President Bartlet's Chief of Staff Leo McGarry calls him out on being too independent. During the entire first quarter of his term, Bartlet was unable to get anything he wanted to get done done because he was too afraid of offending opponents. Eventually he comes to terms with this, and shouts: "This is more important than re-election, I want to speak now." Powerful sentence, isn't it? It speaks volumes about the need to voice one's opinions and take the actions one feels is right - regardless of who is going to like it and who isn't.
There's no reason to use crass language for the sole purpose of insulting people - but if you're talking about something real, and there is something that needs to be said, don't let anyone stop you. It's hard to articulate my opinions on political correctness because it's such a broad subject, but this should give you an idea.
(as for the PC considerations of the use of the word "hate", forget it. There are several people, places and things that I hate. That's the way the world works [http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/deal-with-it.png].)
And some words are inoffensive in origin but are often used in offensive ways:krazykidd said:
Fag is a slang term for cigarettes
****** is a bundle of sticks
A ***** is a female dog
Dykes are earthen dams common in the Netherlands and MidWestern US states
Tranny is used both offensively and inoffensively much the same way ****** is in my experience
When you delve to the core of the issue, it is intent behind the use of words which determines whether or not they are offensive. We need to stop focusing on the words and start focusing on attitudes if we wish to resolve these issues. However, until we are mature enough to separate the word from the intent we need to stop allowing some groups to use terms that other groups would be castigated for using.
In this particular case it probably has something to do with the song itself being seen by some as a reference to the old American slave trade when it was sung several hundred years ago, sort of like how the nursery rhyme, Ring around the rosy is also believed to be a song about the symptoms and eventual death caused by the black plague.suitepee7 said:
Of course, the origins of nursery rhymes are often debated as their context and meaning can often change over hundreds of years, as with my previous example, Ring around the rosy lost most of its chilling connotations and became a much more innocent song as its words took on their literal meaning. Still, I doubt many people today know about Baa Baa Black sheep once being potentially a song about the slave trade so changing the black sheep to a rainbow sheep still seems pretty silly.
Very true . However , misinterpretation and misunderstanding are quite current, so regardless as to how you say something , and why you say it , it's still possible to offend someone . Hell people get angry over misunderstandings all the time with perfectly innoffensive words . It's walking on eggshells ( assuming a person cares about offending someone), and i think it's better to avoid it completly .Ken Sapp said:
OP, just say whatever you want to say however you want to say it. Anyone so pathetic that they can be offended by the configuration of the air being pushed out of another person's throat, so small minded that they are capable of perceiving an expletive or an expression as a `big deal`, ought to be handled in the following way:
- You laugh at them derisively.
- You thank them for using a single action to definitively identify themselves as pieces of garbage not worth the hassle of socializing with, saving you the time and effort usually required to make a good judgement of someone.
- You cut them off dead and have nothing more to do with them.
Political correctness only becomes your problem if you let it- and the people who carry its banner- become your problem. If you piss on whatever they have to say and kick them aside, you're all good.
- You laugh at them derisively.
- You thank them for using a single action to definitively identify themselves as pieces of garbage not worth the hassle of socializing with, saving you the time and effort usually required to make a good judgement of someone.
- You cut them off dead and have nothing more to do with them.
Political correctness only becomes your problem if you let it- and the people who carry its banner- become your problem. If you piss on whatever they have to say and kick them aside, you're all good.
