I have an idea that could limit school shootings

[Friendly Lich]

EDIT: I have come up with a second proposal as my initial one seems to be very flawed. Please scroll down to read it.

New Idea: One trained security person in each school with bullet proof vest. Possibly a veteran as they have trouble finding jobs and their war experience could give them an edge over the less experienced shooter. Laser point sight on the gun for maximum accuracy, but I don't know exactly what gun would be best for the situation; defiantly not an automatic though as less bullets in the air would be ideal.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

 

[tippy2k2]

I don't see how this could work at all. I've barely thought of it and I've thought of two big problems right away...

1. How far out would this thing go? Would the shotguns in the gun case across the street set these things off? If it's limited to "in the school", it's a little late to start evacuating once there is a gun in the school.

2. If there is a device inside the guns, I sincerely doubt that a bad-guy is going to keep said device in their gun.

If you can somehow figure these two issues out it might be worth thinking about but these two alone sink this ship before it even gets out of port.

 

[Quaxar]

Stupid idea. It's far easier to just coat the whole school and everything in it with kevlar.

 

[Comocat]

Maybe have guns that are sensitive to emotion, so when someone is striken with crazy, they wont fire.

For example when you buy a gun you do a background check and present a baseline biofeed back signature. That signature is embedded in the gun. If certain "tells" are present, that is extreme deviations from your norm, the gun wont fire.

I'm sure there are problems with this, but maybe it can be refined.

 

[A Satanic Panda]

Maybe have guns that are sensitive to emotion, so when someone is striken with crazy, they wont fire.

For example when you buy a gun you do a background check and present a baseline biofeed back signature. That signature is embedded in the gun. If certain "tells" are present, that is extreme deviations from your norm, the gun wont fire.

I'm sure there are problems with this, but maybe it can be refined.

The problem I see with that is that everybody firing a gun is undergoing some form of stress, especially if it's self defense.

Maybe instead of limiting the tool we should find a way to make people not want to shoot up a school full of children.

 

[Queen Michael]

Maybe have guns that are sensitive to emotion, so when someone is striken with crazy, they wont fire.

For example when you buy a gun you do a background check and present a baseline biofeed back signature. That signature is embedded in the gun. If certain "tells" are present, that is extreme deviations from your norm, the gun wont fire.

I'm sure there are problems with this, but maybe it can be refined.

I just realized that someone who's being attacked in her home by a stranger won't be able to fire this gun, but a complete sociopath will.

 

[Friendly Lich]

I think similar technology already exists. Criminals in house arrest have to wear a device thats alerts police when they leave their homes. It could be done.

 

[Comocat]

Maybe have guns that are sensitive to emotion, so when someone is striken with crazy, they wont fire.

For example when you buy a gun you do a background check and present a baseline biofeed back signature. That signature is embedded in the gun. If certain "tells" are present, that is extreme deviations from your norm, the gun wont fire.

I'm sure there are problems with this, but maybe it can be refined.

The problem I see with that is that everybody firing a gun is undergoing some form of stress, especially if it's self defense.

Maybe instead of limiting the tool we should find a way to make people not want to shoot up a school full of children.

I had considered that, but my hope is that murderous rampage is different than self-defense in terms of a sensor that would prevent the gun from firing. I agree though it makes more sense to fix society than invent technology to mask a problem.

 

[Wadders]

Hows about some way of performing extensive background checks, Xbox live, bank statements that sort of thing, that are completed before a person is given permission to buy a gun. That way people who buy and play games wont have access to weapons, and this kind of tragedy will never happen again.

 

[DoPo]

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

So-o-o, like an RFID chip? Like the ones you already have in your passport, on your purchases (it's how the alarm rings if you have unpaid stuff), some libraries have it in their books (mostly for the alarm thingie), also magnetic cards, some keys, etc. It's pretty widely used. It's also pretty easy to bypass, too. I can't think of anything that is essentially an RFID chip that you cannot ever take off or hide.

Oh, and by the way, you can easily clone an RFID signature. Without ever touching it. So, like, for example, if you have some sort of ID card (my uni has them), I'd suggest buying card holder slips, which mask it, while the card is inside.

 

[Friendly Lich]

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

So-o-o, like an RFID chip? Like the ones you already have in your passport, on your purchases (it's how the alarm rings if you have unpaid stuff), some libraries have it in their books (mostly for the alarm thingie), also magnetic cards, some keys, etc. It's pretty widely used. It's also pretty easy to bypass, too. I can't think of anything that is essentially an RFID chip that you cannot ever take off or hide.

Oh, and by the way, you can easily clone an RFID signature. Without ever touching it. So, like, for example, if you have some sort of ID card (my uni has them), I'd suggest buying card holder slips, which mask it, while the card is inside.

Yes I think I know what you are talking about. Not every criminal would be able to figure out how to disable the device. The idea is too limit school shootings, completely preventing them is pretty impossible. Further If the device were soldered into the gun it would be even harder to remove and would take certain skills and resources to do. Thanks for your response it was very informative.

 

[Guffe]

Or do like we in Finland.
Don't sell guns to everyone, do background checks etc.
Because that has proven to work just fine -.-

The thing is, if someone wants people dead, really, it's very little that's going to stop them.
That's the sad, wicked truth.

 

[The Event]

I see a flaw with your idea.

I own guns. I live opposite a school.
I also drive past another school every time I go to the range.

 

[Friendly Lich]

I see a flaw with your idea.

I own guns. I live opposite a school.
I also drive past another school every time I go to the range.

This device would only apply to assault weapons. Do you own assault weapons?

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

Problem with your solution...

Only good civilians are going to let the chip in their guns.

Shooters are going to find a work around. They'll find a way to either neutralize the device or remove it completely. Also creates black market for guns with out this technology.

 

[DoPo]

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

So-o-o, like an RFID chip? Like the ones you already have in your passport, on your purchases (it's how the alarm rings if you have unpaid stuff), some libraries have it in their books (mostly for the alarm thingie), also magnetic cards, some keys, etc. It's pretty widely used. It's also pretty easy to bypass, too. I can't think of anything that is essentially an RFID chip that you cannot ever take off or hide.

Oh, and by the way, you can easily clone an RFID signature. Without ever touching it. So, like, for example, if you have some sort of ID card (my uni has them), I'd suggest buying card holder slips, which mask it, while the card is inside.

Yes I think I know what you are talking about. Not every criminal would be able to figure out how to disable the device. The idea is too limit school shootings, completely preventing them is pretty impossible. Further If the device were soldered into the gun it would be even harder to remove and would take certain skills and resources to do. Thanks for your response it was very informative.

You don't need to remove them. They are also embedded in your passport and so on, but you can put that in the microwave and be done with it - 10 seconds should be more than enough, the chip fries and is nonfunctional (good practice, too, if you care about security. Or you're paranoid. There is little to distinguish the two). Of course, guns tend to be metal, and metal tends to not be good to be put in a microwave, but you can also cover the chip or disable it in another way. Not to mention all the guns that don't have RFID chips at the moment.

See, as much as I don't like the Nirvana fallacy (if it's not perfect, it's not worth it), this is one of the time that it's not a fallacy. Placing such a system in place would only lead to a false sense of security - the resources to be blown on a measure that would protect in only some of the cases, and only some of the time, is, frankly, better scrapped. You could just spend the money on more security personnel - that works for all the cases - if the gun has or hasn't a RFID chip, also they can do something about it. Not perfect, but better than the RFID solution. Otherwise, you're introducing a pretty big point of failure - imagine you relied on a gun identifying system - if it fails to work, you're fucked, hence you need to overprovision with another system. So you have a system in place, with another system to watch it, because you know the first doesn't work... Yeah, you don't need the first system, if the second handles things anyway.

 

[Friendly Lich]

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

Problem with your solution...

Only good civilians are going to let the chip in their guns.

Shooters are going to find a work around. They'll find a way to either neutralize the device or remove it completely. Also creates black market for guns with out this technology.

All I can say is that the shooter and his mother that owned the weapons that were used weren't known to be criminals.

 

[Rawne1980]

That way people who buy and play games wont have access to weapons, and this kind of tragedy will never happen again.

At least someone found the time to crack a joke in here.

 

[The Event]

This device would only apply to assault weapons. Do you own assault weapons?

Under the US definition of an "assault weapon" yes I do.
High capacity semi automatic shotgun
High capacity semi automatic .22 rifles
And a couple of silenced rifles too.

I'm not actually in the US though but I suspect there will be people who are who are in the same circumstance as me.

 

[Friendly Lich]

Invent a device that would be put on weapons like the ones used in the shooting that would alert schools within a certain range that the weapon is entering the area. That way the school could execute an emergency evacuation plan of some kind. I know that this could be done. However I lack the skills and means to invent it myself otherwise I would.

Can you help me develop/refine this idea please?

So-o-o, like an RFID chip? Like the ones you already have in your passport, on your purchases (it's how the alarm rings if you have unpaid stuff), some libraries have it in their books (mostly for the alarm thingie), also magnetic cards, some keys, etc. It's pretty widely used. It's also pretty easy to bypass, too. I can't think of anything that is essentially an RFID chip that you cannot ever take off or hide.

Oh, and by the way, you can easily clone an RFID signature. Without ever touching it. So, like, for example, if you have some sort of ID card (my uni has them), I'd suggest buying card holder slips, which mask it, while the card is inside.

Yes I think I know what you are talking about. Not every criminal would be able to figure out how to disable the device. The idea is too limit school shootings, completely preventing them is pretty impossible. Further If the device were soldered into the gun it would be even harder to remove and would take certain skills and resources to do. Thanks for your response it was very informative.

You don't need to remove them. They are also embedded in your passport and so on, but you can put that in the microwave and be done with it - 10 seconds should be more than enough, the chip fries and is nonfunctional (good practice, too, if you care about security. Or you're paranoid. There is little to distinguish the two). Of course, guns tend to be metal, and metal tends to not be good to be put in a microwave, but you can also cover the chip or disable it in another way. Not to mention all the guns that don't have RFID chips at the moment.

See, as much as I don't like the Nirvana fallacy (if it's not perfect, it's not worth it), this is one of the time that it's not a fallacy. Placing such a system in place would only lead to a false sense of security - the resources to be blown on a measure that would protect in only some of the cases, and only some of the time, is, frankly, better scrapped. You could just spend the money on more security personnel - that works for all the cases - if the gun has or hasn't a RFID chip, also they can do something about it. Not perfect, but better than the RFID solution. Otherwise, you're introducing a pretty big point of failure - imagine you relied on a gun identifying system - if it fails to work, you're fucked, hence you need to overprovision with another system. So you have a system in place, with another system to watch it, because you know the first doesn't work... Yeah, you don't need the first system, if the second handles things anyway.

I just wont to point out how they are going to but a rifle in a microwave and microwaves only work when the door is closed. further the metal being microwaved could break the microwave right?