I have decided to classify Metroid: Other M as fanfiction.
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I don't think so. I don't remember an ice place. I think it was a bit after I encountered that weird rabbit thing the second time. In fact, it's been so long since I played it that I have forgotten.Daedalus1942 said:
This is why I like games like LoZ, or series's like Tenchi Muyo. Zelda doesnt tell you what order it is in, and Tenchi Muyo is a convoulted mess of prequels, sequels and alternate universes in alternate universes. Organise it how you want and declare whatever you want non-canon
I kind of really liked the whole MB subplot, and the submissiveness of samus I think was done on purpose to try and paint her as just a human, as she's been so sensationalised in the past that maybe they went a little too far in trying to show her weakness..
I also believe the whole Samus is a little too bsessed with Adam thing was deliberate.
I think Fusion was supposed to make us think adam was this wonderful, caring, mentoring man who'm she has idealized all these years, and then we find out he's a actually a real prick.
The thing I've picked up on through the years of playing the games, and reading the obscure manga series is that Samus Aran is a screwed up individual.
Her parent were murdered by ridley and she tries to befriend him in the comics as a child (no joke, look it up).
I think the significance of her childhood as a plot device is supposed to state basically that she's not good at identifying emotions and she's a very detached person.
She views adam's abuse as affection because she genuinely is no good at empathy or even feeling in general.
Using this psychoanaysis of miss Aran I've compiled in my head over the years I've played the Metroid games, I'm able to justify most of Other M and even enjoyed it immensely.
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I also believe the whole Samus is a little too bsessed with Adam thing was deliberate.
I think Fusion was supposed to make us think adam was this wonderful, caring, mentoring man who'm she has idealized all these years, and then we find out he's a actually a real prick.
The thing I've picked up on through the years of playing the games, and reading the obscure manga series is that Samus Aran is a screwed up individual.
Her parent were murdered by ridley and she tries to befriend him in the comics as a child (no joke, look it up).
I think the significance of her childhood as a plot device is supposed to state basically that she's not good at identifying emotions and she's a very detached person.
She views adam's abuse as affection because she genuinely is no good at empathy or even feeling in general.
Using this psychoanaysis of miss Aran I've compiled in my head over the years I've played the Metroid games, I'm able to justify most of Other M and even enjoyed it immensely.
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yes, if after encountering him the 2nd time you go back to the last save room and save, you've fucked your game. I'm assuming you did this.Some Random Tosser said:
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I got the same feeling. I think the breakdown is a lot of people wanted Samus to be just another generic badass, only this one has tits so she's a "strong female character."Daedalus1942 said:
The woman has issues, omaigawd. It actually makes her more interesting.
I personally applaud Sakamoto for breaking everyone's pre-conceived notions and trying to paint her as a character with a bit more depth, and not as strong as we know her to be in the past.Midnight Crossroads said:
She's strong when face with adversity, but not when she's faced with important events from her past.
I have to give credit where credit is due though.
The voice actor I think did a brilliant job of painting her as a completely empty human being, eith no emotions or capacity to identify other emotions apart from survival instincts and protectings others.
It could be possible she's just a woeful voice actor, but either way I think it worked quite well. It shows samus in an unstable light and I for one am curious to explore the depths of this "true samus's" characterisation.
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Nice to see Team Ninja get thrown under the bus when, as far as anyone can tell, the character and story direction came from Nintendo and not from TN. Other M is a pretty direct continuation of the story and character arc started in Fusion, which was also made by Nintendo. The fact is if you consider Other M to be a crap sandwich made by TN, you have to take into account that Nintendo were the ones who gave them the bread and the crap.
Could you please recommend something without origins in the land of the rising sun? As for real criticism, most begin with a lot of narration and a poor sense of character voice on the part of the author. I've watched Bleach and think its some bad combination of Naruto and Inuyasha (anime "padded like menstruating fire hoses," to quote Herr Yahtzee), but David Lodge has a badass voice and makes Kenny awesome. He's the only reason to watch Sodium Hypochlorite. As for the rest, well I tried, but they all start the same way and I lost interest very quickly. However, in the intervening time, I found this [http://www.pvpgurl.com/PVPGurl.com/Story_Time/Entries/2010/10/26_Sin,_Darkness,_and_Solace.html] little gem. Doesn't work on google chrome.Some Random Tosser said:
What's so wrong with fanfiction based on Japanese media? It can't be much different in standards from Twilight or Harry Potter fanfiction. Am I also correct in assuming that you didn't, at the very least, read the first two chapters of each?Freechoice said:
And if you're going to criticise a written work of fiction for a lot of narration, then I don't think there's a lot of books for you to like.
Ah, "fanfiction."
Second only to "Mary Sue" in the list of "terms that once may have meant something, but are now used as generic insults for stories/characters you don't like."
Second only to "Mary Sue" in the list of "terms that once may have meant something, but are now used as generic insults for stories/characters you don't like."
You're right, it's not that different from Harry Potter or Twilight fan fiction. In fact, you picked the analogs for Harry Potter and Twilight. Why do you think those things are popular? Because they're not that deep (barring Harry Potter, that was just fun to read) and everyone can understand them. That's why they can keep padding the stories. It's the same reason the Simpsons is still on. Hell, even one of the guys from the show said that to increase the lifespan of the show, they had to decrease the quality. Contrast something short and sweet like Ghost in the Shell or Cowboy Bebop. No more than 25 episodes for either and nearly all of them are memorable.Some Random Tosser said:
Basically, I'm playing the numbers. If it's popular, more people will write for it. Sturgeon's Law dictates that 90% of everything is shit and I believe that applies to fan fiction EXTREMELY well. It's just simple multiplication from there. Finding 1 good story amongst 9 others will take less time than 10 in 90.
The fact is, I tried reading them. I got a few lines in, but they were just so uninteresting that I stopped. That's part of the problem. There should be some kind of initial intrigue to get me into it. Instead, they try some kind of weird "insight" that comes off as some kind of whiny, melodrama. I am not gonna plod through 6000 more words (2 chapters of that first story) to try and find something good. It's consistently made of awesome or it ain't worth the time.
There are times and places for narration. Right off the bat with the aforementioned melodrama is bad. I went back, read a little and noticed how much the intros require you to know about the source material. What the hell is an Ero-sennin and why does "Vice-Captain Yachiru Kusajishi, 3rd Seat Ikkaku Madarame" need such a long ass title? This is fan wank [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanWank].
Nobody would care about Samus having issues if it was actually done well. But it's not, again due to Sakamoto being a terrible writer.Midnight Crossroads said:
Samus comes across as weak, dumb, incompetent, and overall pathetic in Other: M. It would take a lot of good writing to make this work as characterization for Samus Aran, as nothing in any Metroid game suggests that she is anything like this. Though Sakamoto can't write to save his life, so Samus just comes off as a horrible character. Seriously, there's a difference between "having issues" and "being out of your fucking mind". Samus falls into the later, given that she somehow has a mental breakdown when she sees the enemy she has killed two times now. 4 times if you count the Prime game, and considering the amount of praise they have gotten means you really should.
I didn't want Samus to be turned into another generic badass, but I didn't want her to be a brainless doormat either. Other M is a horribly written game all around, but the fact that it butchers an iconic character in the process just magnifies its flaws.
Really, if you don't understand why Other M pisses so many people off, read this [http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html]. It effectively summarizes just how much Sakamoto fucked with the story.
Not to mention that Movie Bob is basically a massive Nintendo fanboy, so he's not exactly a fair and unbiased source when it comes to this game. As if that wasn't obvious enough by him claiming that Metroid becoming a 2D sidescroller again is somehow "innovative", when that was how the series started in the first place.GloatingSwine said:
I actually feel kind of bad for Team Ninja. Even if they did mess up the gameplay, they still don't deserve all the crap they get over the story when it wasn't entirely their fault.
The character that was given to Samus in Other M was about as far from admirable as it is possible to get.Defense said:
Samus doesn't just have "issues" in Other M, she's just a broken bird character, she doesn't progress as a character over the course of the story, the issues aren't addressed in any way, they're just there to break down the character because apparently we're not allowed strong female characters in Nintendo games, just princesses that need rescuing.Midnight Crossroads said:
Contrast Samus in Other M with Ripley in Aliens (because we all know that Samus is basically Ripley), Ripley starts off traumatised, she has issues, not only with the experiences she had in the first film but also (which is only seen in the Special Edition) with the fact that she's outlived her own daughter (that's why she's so firmly attached to Newt as a surrogate daughter, she's not just Being A Woman, she's actually got personal motivation for that instant depth of attachment), but Ripley grows throughout the film, her drive to protect Newt strengthens her, even though it was originally caused by one of her underlying issues, and that leads her to confront not only the nightmare she faced in the first movie but also her hatred of androids and the trust issues she had with the Marines at the start.
Samus in Other M gets none of that. She is prodded by the player from breakdown to breakdown, loses her sense of agency because she signs it over to Adam. Hell, Samus isn't really even a character with depth in Other M because Samus isn't in Other M, the homunculus of Adam that lives in her brain is.
Other M is an unhealthy story [http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html], and the comparisons to Twilight on the first page are more apt than you know.
Yeah, let's take our stances on gender politics from a guy who posts pictures of Scarlett Johanssen in her underwear in his reviews whenever he runs out of content.fluffybunny937 said:
Oh, wait, let's not.
I have to agree with the OP. My first REAL gaming love experience was Super Metroid. I will not let a dude who can't get over Sunglasses At Night wreck my first love. My brain will categorize this abject failure in the "so bad it's not real" bin. Team Ninja's definition of strong woman has always been directly correlated with how hard she punches. The game read like anti-woman propaganda when you consider the source material.