I have proven that God exists

[jasoncyrus]

I was thinking about how we proved that there are an unlimited number of alternate universes.

When did we prove that??

The closest I can think of is the Heisenberg uncertainty Principle, which states that you can never be sure what something will do before it does it.

Quantum theory states that at any moment, any object has a 'probability cloud' around it containing all the possible states that it might change into in the next moment.

There is, however, no evidence or proof that once the particle 'chooses' its next state that there is any "alternative universe" created.

Also, even if your hypothesis was correct, and there were free-spawn alternative universes, nothing in one universe can affect the other universes (definition of universe)

Furthermore, if the argument is raised that "God transcends the universe, and is outside its 'walls' and 'rules'", then obviously 'God' is not bound by the 'spawn_multiverse' effect, and is still not proven.

I remember proving that god was mortal based on the fact that if he can affect our universe in any way then through that method we could create a device or surge to kill him.

Yeah, but God could stop us.

Edit: He could also make it impossible for us to do that.

If he made it impossible then he would in turn make it impossible for he himself to affect our universe in anyway what so ever. It's a hand in hand thing. Plus he wouldnt be able to stop us since if he tried his "influence" would be caught in the blast of whatever unstable energies or materials the overload would contain thus injuring/killing himself.

 

[TerminalVelocity14]

How about this?
If there were no God, there would be no atheists.
The point is that humans can create nothing. To create means to make from nothing or nothingness. We can't do that, even in our own heads. Try it now. Invent a color based on no other color in existence. Invent a sound or a type of animal. Can't do it? We need a frame of reference or a base to build from. So if there were no God, what could we build our belief in one from? Hmm? An immortal, all-powerful and all-wise being. What frame of reference do we have?

I don't know if you get my point or not.

one of my favorite philosiphers once said Cogito Ergo Sum or I think therefore I am meaning that the only reason something exists is simply because we believe it to exist he also states that he believes that his senses are false meaning that everything he can possibly perseive is a lie but he also says that if nothing truly exists for certain than does he exist the conclusion he comes to is that he must exist simply because he is thinking and the mind is the only truth that noone can possibly prove is wrong. then of course the mind created the senses which created the world which u see touch smell and taste which means what u said "the human mind cannot create without a frame of refrence" is not true because the human mind has created everything u think feel and see around you including this omnipresent being known as God...

But if that's true, if everything we sense is created by us, then couldn't we, theoretically, edit reality to suit us? I may be missing your point as well.

But what I'm trying to say is that if there is no God, then we made Him up. Created him in our own consciousness. But as I'm trying to say, that's impossible because we can't "create" things in the literal sense, which is to make something from nothing.

 

[Sacman]

How about this?
If there were no God, there would be no atheists.
The point is that humans can create nothing. To create means to make from nothing or nothingness. We can't do that, even in our own heads. Try it now. Invent a color based on no other color in existence. Invent a sound or a type of animal. Can't do it? We need a frame of reference or a base to build from. So if there were no God, what could we build our belief in one from? Hmm? An immortal, all-powerful and all-wise being. What frame of reference do we have?

I don't know if you get my point or not.

one of my favorite philosiphers once said Cogito Ergo Sum or I think therefore I am meaning that the only reason something exists is simply because we believe it to exist he also states that he believes that his senses are false meaning that everything he can possibly perseive is a lie but he also says that if nothing truly exists for certain than does he exist the conclusion he comes to is that he must exist simply because he is thinking and the mind is the only truth that noone can possibly prove is wrong. then of course the mind created the senses which created the world which u see touch smell and taste which means what u said "the human mind cannot create without a frame of refrence" is not true because the human mind has created everything u think feel and see around you including this omnipresent being known as God...

But if that's true, if everything we sense is created by us, then couldn't we, theoretically, edit reality to suit us? I may be missing your point as well.

But what I'm trying to say is that if there is no God, then we made Him up. Created him in our own consciousness. But as I'm trying to say, that's impossible because we can't "create" things in the literal sense, which is to make something from nothing.

then think about it this way I believe that God exists but only as an omnipresent being with no actual structure or power.now why does he exist like this? simply because I believe this is how God exists making it the only real truth about God in my mind and sense this world only exists in my mind then it must be the truth. I'm not saying that God doesnt exist Im saying that people created God in there minds and that his only plain of existence and he has to exist in. God has no real power nor structure in this world that I see because I dont believe he does. let me put it this way and ask u a question If I believe u don't exist then do you truly exist?

 

[TerminalVelocity14]

I don't agree with your philosophy, but if I did I might mention that it might be the other way around; God made us up in HIS mind, which of course I think we both believe isn't true. Because we exist. If your philosophy were correct, then we couldn't trust anything to be fact. Or maybe fact wouldn't exist. I think in a sense you're right because for us, if we could sense nothing, nothing would be real to us: but it's subjective, a matter of perspective. Because a blind man can't see a post in front of him, does it make it unreal? He still crashes into it.