I hereby dislike chess.

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Arsen said:
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OMG, learn to play, chess nooooooob!
That's for damn sure.

You dislike the great game of Chess due to the fact that you're either quite bad at it or just awful.

Just because your not good at it, certainly doesn't mean it's a bad game.

Chess is a fantastic game and millions or even billions of people agree with me.
 

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LaBambaMan said:
Joke's on you, pal. Nobody really likes Chess, we just say we do to make you feel dumb for not playing.
I love chess. In fact, I can end a game in four moves, and my favorite phrase is "Checkmate"
 

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Arsen said:
Chess has often been called one of the frameworks of many strategists throughout history. Coinciding with this is the belief that it improves one's thinking ability alongside the notion that it shows one how to play thoroughly ahead.

I think this is all rubbish for the following reasons.

1. The game is based upon pure "fairness" and the moment.
2. No strategizing truly goes into effect because it's based on a system of "rules" so to speak. No freedom in being allowed to perform as one may.
3. The game is one big assumption that everyone in life is equal to their adversaries.

Anyone else share this view with me?
So, Chess could be improved by
1. Having one side be vastly superior to the other.
2. Let anyone move whatever piece they want, at any time they feel like it. I can imagine the two players going: "Ready? GO!!!" and then proceeding to see how much shit they can toss out of the table before the other guy does. Most games would last like 3 seconds.
 

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Although chess is a game with a great amount of depth, you do not necessarilly have to play it in order to develop strategic thinking. Infact, I consider Go to be a superior strategy game, due to the near infinite complexities it`s very simple rules tend to hide.

So if you dislike Chess, Go is a very viable alternative.
 

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KillerMidget said:
Layzor said:
Chess is and always will be one of the greatest games ever because it is one of few that has no aspect of luck.
Dice games shouldn't exist. I hate games that ultimately are decided by luck. Risk is one of them. It's fun and all, but theoretically a 2-man army could defeat a 25-man army. My friend has seen it happen.
Chance is representative of the real world. It factors in the unknown, and one's ability to adapt to an unpredictably changing game environment. It measures resourcefulness as well as strategy, which I think can add to the fun.

Hence some of us used to play Age of Empires on random civ. :D
 

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LaBambaMan said:
Joke's on you, pal. Nobody really likes Chess, we just say we do to make you feel dumb for not playing.
This.

Seriously, though, think about your arguments. How easy is it to win if you have an advantage? When you aren't constrained by rules?

If you and your opponent are equally constrained and have equal resources, how can either succeed? Two equal and opposite forces would simply cancel each other out, a stalemate.

This is not the case, as it is the strategy and thinking that makes the difference. Imagine those skills applied when at an advantage, or without constraints. Those skills further make the difference when at a disadvantage or under further constraints.

The point is that critical and creative thinking makes the difference.
 

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Arsen said:
Chess has often been called one of the frameworks of many strategists throughout history. Coinciding with this is the belief that it improves one's thinking ability alongside the notion that it shows one how to play thoroughly ahead.

I think this is all rubbish for the following reasons.

1. The game is based upon pure "fairness" and the moment.
2. No strategizing truly goes into effect because it's based on a system of "rules" so to speak. No freedom in being allowed to perform as one may.
3. The game is one big assumption that everyone in life is equal to their adversaries.

Anyone else share this view with me?
xmetatr0nx said:
No, you just suck at it. Stop complaining. Either practise or stop playing. Whiner.
basically. seriously if you oppose chess, you're also opposing tactics in military battles.

chess is an abstract derivation of combat; the pieces themselves have their abilities for a reason. the original pieces used (pre-christianity) included war elephants (as rooks), horses (as horses) and chariots (as bishops), as well as regular foot soldiers as peons.

due to the best practices at the time of origin as well as their physical limitations, each of these pieces could only move in certain ways. chariots were usually in the heat of the battle using their speed to issue hit and run tactics (crossing from one side to other); horses were used for flanking due to their relative stealth element; and war elephants were the siege rams to rumble straight through troops, but were hard to stop once up and running.

the habit that started with creating tactics before a battle (essentially by playing chess) quickly turned into a mind sharpening game for commanders; but as a way of training themselves as well as relaxation. because of the abstraction that chess is, the strategic mindset forced upon player has been used widely in other logical environments, and still is present day. i am genuinely appalled that someone can call chess rubbish, and it really shows off more unintelligent behavior than anything else.
 

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Chess is a magnificent game. It does assume some principles for a good game, namely balance, which is necessary unless you want people to cry "luck" when you beat them. It doesn't allow that - this is why it's better than most video games. The title "game of life" can be misleading, but I think you're reading into it in an unintended fashion. Philosophies based on chess are about contest and how one approaches a challenge, not how "fair" life is.

Yes, the opponents are balanced against you. No one would be stupid enough to base real life military strategy on a game as unrealistic as chess. However, this is what you missed: it was never made for that.

Chess is about prediction. If you can see every possible move at any given time for several turns ahead, and your opponent is one turn behind you, you will trounce them. This idea, called the "ply", is what makes chess a good exercise for the part of your brain that works logic, reason and strategy. Read about Gary Kasparov's legendary match with Deep Blue, or the Immortal Game, both of which have excellent articles on Wikipedia. See the ply in the hands of the master player and you'll understand why it's such an interesting game.

Being able to predict the best moves is how to win. Being able to gambit cleverly, or pull off advanced moves like fully protecting a pawn's advance from the King taking it with clever protection moves, or distracting someone with a pawn upgrade to take their piece and checkmate, are what make chess very interesting to the amateur. This is the aspect of strategy that really defines chess as a brilliant game. Most of these moves do happen later in the game, and it takes some professionalism or extra cleverness to pull them off, so newbies often miss the point of it.

And I think you might have made a similar mistake. Don't let comparison to real life ruin a game for you.
 

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Well now didn't expect this to recieve that many responses. Originally my thread was semi joking yet complaining about level four...interesting.
 

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I like it simply for the exclusion of luck. Possibly because then I can leer at all of my friends who can't outplay me and promptly remind them that they'll never outhink me.
 

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dstryfe said:
I like it simply for the exclusion of luck. Possibly because then I can leer at all of my friends who can't outplay me and promptly remind them that they'll never outhink me.
I'm not impressed with your sportsmanship.
 

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Silva said:
I'm not impressed with your sportsmanship.
I don't do that to everyone, only those who I already know quite well and who claim they're smarter, more able, more successful, and better looking than I am. This way, I pointedly remind them that the first is untrue. Even if the others aren't.
 

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dstryfe said:
I like it simply for the exclusion of luck. Possibly because then I can leer at all of my friends who can't outplay me and promptly remind them that they'll never outhink me.
All that it says is that you've played chess longer.
 

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i like chess. it keeps me thinking and not be the one thing that i despise most. an idiot. and if you can play a game with dice and never lose they call you lucky. if you play a game were you think they call you smart. i prefer been smart over been lucky in games.
 

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Arsen said:
All that it says is that you've played chess longer.
I suppose so, though I don't consider it as such, given my just-more-than-a-decade-long sabbatical. Most of the friends in question waive that as well, as they consider themselves "fully" proficient, whatever that's supposed to mean.
 

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ddon said:
i like chess. it keeps me thinking and not be the one thing that i despise most. an idiot. and if you can play a game with dice and never lose they call you lucky. if you play a game were you think they call you smart. i prefer been smart over been lucky in games.
I disagree, sir. Better lucky than good. As much as I hate to admit it, the lucky will always outshine the able.