I just finished watching Scott Pilgrim

[Merkavar]

its was good. it was wierd and funny and stuff.

 

[Anchupom]

I quote the dvd cover - "prepare to have a new favourite movie."
Yeah.

i got all prepared for a whole lotta nothin. they actually gave me my money back.

Not a fan then? Every man or woman to his of her own, I guess...

a fan, yes. just not so much of the movie. i own all of the books. i REEEEEEEEALLY just don't like that Michael Cera kid.

Fair enough

 

[Anchupom]

Loved it, went to read the manga it was based off.

Love the manga even more.

Its not a manga its a comic book. There is a difference. Sorry to get snobby but calling the comic books 'manga' is like calling Skooby-Do an anime.

It's spelt Scooby Doo. And I'll have you know it's an animated artpiece.

[/sarcasm]
;D

Ah thanks for the spelling, the phonetic hard 'k' always throws me off, and the spell checker doesn't help. Nah, I wouldn't go with animated artpiece. It comes across as being too pretentious for a show concerning a talking dog and halloween costumes. I would define it as an 'Animated Western Cartoon'. Or perhaps an 'episodic motion drawing series'.

I am now going to spend half an hour trying to define Scooby Doo, god damnit. X3

I know, I was joking when I called it an artpiece. I'd more likely describe it as a bunch of bright, distracting colours for children

 

[Samwise137]

I loved it. I actually went out and bought the books this week too and I'm loving them just as much (and I don't usually like graphic novels like that).

 

[Snake Plissken]

Hated it. Hated the music, found the material pretentious, and was mostly bored by the whole thing.

Will never watch again.

This is pretty much how I felt about the whole thing.

I'd more likely describe it as a bunch of bright, distracting colours for children

I know that this person wasn't referring to SP, but it was a good choice of words to help me describe how I feel about the film.

 

[TheEvilCheese]

I liked it. I had nerdgasms all over the place. When I saw it in the theater, someone actually asked in the middle of the movie why the people he defeated turned into coins. I was upset.

Something similar happened when I went to see it, all ten of my friends turned as one and gave him the most dissaproving glare in history.

OT: Yeah, I really liked it, constant Nerdgasm with extreme style, the scene where Scott is pretending not to be home had me in stitches.

 

[Super Six One]

I though it was a awful awful film, i do not get it's appeal at all.

 

[MindBullets]

Knew right from the opening it was going to be my kind of film:


Epic as hell.

 

[darthotaku]

I liked it but with the first half as close to the books as a movie could be expected to be, the vast differences in the second half including giving one person the other's weakness and a large difference of Gideon's final fight kinda dissapointed me.

 

[solidstatemind]

Snip.

Initial thought:

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Alright lets break it down.

When I said...

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree then.

You interpreted it as...

"YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO"

Yes. Let's.

For instance, that statement was- I'll admit- hyperbolic (thus the all-caps); however, the point remains that when you are contesting someone's opinion without supporting your stance, your opinion carries no weight. It's the equivalent of 'because I said so.' If you chose to think differently, well, see below...

When I really meant was, "While my opinion is on the opposite end of the spectrum, I respect your opinion in that the movie was not up to par. Quite frankly I am not up for any sort of debate, and would simply like to extend an olive branch and simply express that my feelings towards the movie are strongly positive. I do not wish to enter any debate because I really see no point in it. Furthermore I grow tired from a long day of pimping my wenches working."

If you can't be bothered to defend your position, just don't interject. That will serve you well in life. Or, you know, go to a teacher, your boss, or a coworker and say "I think you're wrong about such-and-such", walk off, and see how they react. Odds are, they'll at least ask you to explain and defend your statement, and it might very well lower their opinion of you.

Let's see what else... Oh!

and that really... wouldn't carry much weight with someone who hasn't seen the movie and was soliciting opinions.

I thought you already saw the movie, and I don't remember the topic being about people who have never seen it in the first place.

I have seen the movie, and yes the thread is basically "who liked it as much as I do," but is it entirely unreasonable for someone who hasn't seen it to look at the opinions here in order to help them decide whether or not to put it in their Netflix queue? I say this because we're not having a closed discussion here: anyone can read it. I wouldn't have said it otherwise, but if it's that bothersome to you, then I'll agree that it's a somewhat irrelevant point.

Next:

"I'd like to see a real band put together to do a cover of 'Sex Bob-Omb'.

That was me going off your reply and onto the topic. Albeit that was short, but that was not part of my playing cards. Could I have written more? Sure. Sorry I offended thee.

Tsugi!

First, you didn't offend me. Second, I notice that you left out the salient point I was making: that saying "it's one of those movies that really define (if only a small part) of geek culture." is a pretty bold statement to just toss out there. If you're going to make that sort of statement, shouldn't you at least provide a couple of reasons why you think that?

Aside from that, I have only one question to level at you:

Go ahead...

while you mention that it only defines a small part of geek culture, which part would that be? In the movie, they didn't play video games at all,

Ah, but that's were you're wrong. Young Neil played Legend of Zelda twice on his DS. Furthermore Scott and Knives were playing a fictional game called "Ninja Ninja Revolution". I could also go into the video game, comic book, and anime paraphanelia... parapalegic... paraphernalia spotted throughout the movie, but I'll fold on that. In the end they don't give me much of a leg to stand on and it would really be a matter of opinion - which would mean we'd have to agree to disagree about that now won't we?

Well, I suppose you got me there. They played video games for all of... what, 3 minutes in the whole movie? Oh, and there were comic book and anime props, that might or might not be noticed by the audience. (Also, once again you leave out the stronger arguments, cherry-picking only what favors your position...)

No rebuttal to:

"and instead were popular local musicians, who- when they fought- had results that were similar to certain videogames that geeks enjoy."

"It was, in other words: the ulimate geek pipe dream, not a 'definition of geek culture'. (if they were playing 8-bit music like Chiptunes or something, I'd be more forgiving.)"
?


And finally...

don't make 'Scott Pilgrim' out to be some anthemic movie of geek culture when it would be more honest to say that it was a cash-in on the rising popularity of geek culture.

So I guess this is where I'm going to have to show my cards then and say

"I disagree... From where I stand the facts in my point of view show otherwise."

I don't think you can call it a cash-in on account that it would need to be extremely successful in the theaters to get an immediate turn around in profit, it would have to be severely criticized without any real positive feed back from any review, and it would have to do extremely poor in video sales. From where I stand, it cost $60 million dollars and only made $10.5 million dollars in the first week. It was generally praised by critics and fans of the comics alike, and made bank many months later on DVD and Blu-ray, hell I own a Blu-ray and I don't even have a player!

I'm sorry, I guess I misspoke: If we're honest, it was a failed attempt to cash in on the rising popularity of geek culture, as well as the graphic novel-to-movie trend.

Then again, being several years beyond the target demographic, maybe I'm just a cynical old bastard. That is entirely possible, too.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, sorry my initial reply wasn't enough of an argument, but quite frankly I wasn't looking for a fight to begin with. Just simply wanted to say, "you don't like cake, I do - it's cool". Is it the greatest thing that has happened in any facet of geek culture? Probably not. Can we call it over-hyped? Is Little Kuriboh Brittish? Nevertheless it speaks to a lot of its target audience 18 - 35 year old video game playing, comic book collecting, anime watching geeks, and based on some of the other shorter replies there are a lot of people on the Escapist that agree. Maybe they don't have a lot to say why, but I'm sure some of the nicer ones will tell you "Well I think we're going to have to agree to disagree then."

First, of course many people on the Escapist are going to love Scott Pilgrim: it's targeted at gamers! Yes, it was generally praised by the critics- and in fact, I enjoyed it myself (I said I didn't regret spending full-price at the theaters to see it). At no point in my original statement did I say that it was a sub-par movie, as you claimed.

The point that I was trying to make was that many people- exclusively in the gaming/geek cultures (which should tell us something)- act like it was Citizen Kane, or another one of the films considered to be the 'best ever', but the truth is that while it was entertaining, it was also flawed.

If you dig down, the real reason many people like it so much is that it executed those elements that would strongly appeal to it's target demographic well- sometimes very well- and so the target audience would overlook the flaws. They were too enraptured with a gaming culture based big budget movie...

But this is all a digression really: you may feel free to disagree with me, and I don't necessarily think your opinion lacks merit. Just understand that a lot of people (myself included) are going to ask why you disagree or, with what specific part of the statement you disagree with.

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If you're going to say that you disagree with me on something, I'm gonna ask that you explain yourself.

 

[dancinginfernal]

I enjoyed it a lot when I watched it. I think it deserves the rating it received.

 

[Sylveria]

It's painfully over-rated.

 

[Shadu]

Very good. Glad I got to see it so many times in theaters, and glad I have it on DVD (and Blu-ray...but I don't have a Hi Def TV, so it does me very little good).

 

[Casual Shinji]

I found it really boring. I watched it last week and just couldn't get interested. (Actually it was a pretty crap set of movies all round I got that week)

It's nice to see I wasn't the only one bored by this movie.

I can see why other people liked it, but I just didn't care about any of the characters except for Knives Chao.
First off, the main relationship between Scott and Ramona had no chemistry whatsoever. All they ever do together is mumble about nothing in a monotonous tone of voice, but then so does everyone else in this movie (except for Knives Chao). All Scott really seems to want from Ramona is to get in her panties, and all Ramona wants from Scott is.......I have no fucking clue.

And as a character, Ramona is said to be this rebelous phoenix who all men want, but none can tame. Really? Because she came across as pretty boring and tame to me. Whether this is due to the actress simply being boring or the writing, I don't know. But just because she dyes her hair pink and wears goggles doesn't automatically make her cool and interesting.

The fights scenes were very well shot and choreographed, but since I couldn't give a shit about Scott or his relationship with boring Ramona (for whom he is fighting) all the tension of the action was lost on me. And even if I did care, the universe in which the movie takes place is so out of wack that winning or losing holds no real tension, period.
Since the movie takes so much pride in asserting its videogame-"rules of engagement", death or defeat held no meaning at all. Whether Scott won or lost, it didn't seem to matter. After all, it didn't matter to anyone that the seven evil exes got killed, so why would it matter of Scott did.

Like I said, the only character I liked was Knives Chao, simply because she was the only one with any kind of arc. She went from shy girlfriend, to hyper-active fan, to jilted lover, to insane jealous stalker. Everybody else had this "we're-too-cool-to-care Dandy Warhols hipster" attitude that I fucking hate.

The visuals were fantastic, but it was just that; An empty sparkling husk.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I honestly think it's my new favourite movie. Which is saying something, considering my previous favourite movie was A Clockwork Orange.

 

[Drunkenclam]

Ya, good movie

 

[Laser Priest]

Yes.

It was a good movie. I don't really have anything else to say.

what? nothing about putting subliminal messages into the movie to use it to brainwash many many geeks into becoming your minions and to take over America? and then the rest of the world?

honestly Im disapointed

Er... What? I'm a doctor Necromancer, not a hypnotist! My minions are the undead!