I just uninstalled Skyrim

[Safe in the Dark]

Also, enough with the 'so you didn't like it big deal don't make a thread about it'. Shut up.

This is a forum for gaming discussion. I disliked a game and I stated my reasons. I wanted to write this thread because I was frustrated with the game, and after posting it, I felt better. This had led to a discussion.

How about I turn your own weapons against you: if you don't want to read about people having a negative opinion on a game you like, don't click those threads and don't reply. This point is as moot as yours.

EDIT: copy pasted this to OP as well

Why not discuss these thoughts or criticisms in a previously made thread? You are entitled to your opinions and whatever, but no need to take up more space when "OLOL I HATE SKYRIM AND HERE'S WHY U GAISE." You could've just posted your gripes there, that's an option, guy.

Same goes to the people spamming about Skyrim being the best thing since Jesus, or the Beatles.

Eh I thought Skyrim was a pretty cool guy personally, only game to my knowledge where you can scream a bear off a cliff.

 

[omega 616]

EDIT: Also, enough with the 'so you didn't like it big deal don't make a thread about it'. Shut up.

This is a forum for gaming discussion. I disliked a game and I stated my reasons. I wanted to write this thread because I was frustrated with the game, and after posting it, I felt better. This had led to a discussion.

How about I turn your own weapons against you: if you don't want to read about people having a negative opinion on a game you like, don't click those threads and don't reply. This point is as moot as yours.

I'm not telling you that if you like this game you are wrong, dumb, or anything along those lines. I didn't like this game because of above reasons. If you liked it, I'm happy for you, since you're having fun. If you read more into this post and feel personally attacked, lay off the caffeine.

Except the forum would be bogged down with "I don't like X". So you didn't like the game, I don't mind it but you don't see me making a "skyrim, meh".

You are not a special and unique snow flake, you and a million others have the exact same opinion, stated in these exact same threads ... why you had to add to that is beyond me.

On topic, if there is one. The game could never live up to the hype people gave it, so it was always destined to fail.

There is no perfect game, the NPC's are always going to be mindless zombies, the story will always play out 1 of a set number of ways and nothing you do will ever matter.

Fallout has the same problems, why not make a "I just uninstalled new vegas" thread?

Games are just like books, even in the choose your own adventure ones it will always end the same way, if you guess right (or cheat) it will last longer but ultimately you will still finish it.

Until we get to a stage where everyone of the 100+ NPC is kill-able and there is 10 or so stories for each scenario (who you choose to kill and let live or kill nobody or kill everybody) then complaining the game isn't good enough is just stupid.

Even then you would say something like "all the stories are too similar". It really does just sound like trolling to be honest.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

The unscripted-ness of the game is main reason I find it so awesome. I like having a few games where I'm not lead on through the dance, but instead I can make my own dance and random dancers barge in on occasion where I have to change the steps in my dance.

If you think that Skyrim shines in the area of "unscripted-ness" I suggest you try Dwarf Fortress. Compared to DF Skyrim would be considered a game on rails.

I find the Freedom argument for Skyrim is probably a little misleading. I would say skyrim creates a LOT of freedom within set boundaries. The boundaries don't confine you or restrict you like cage or a trap, but rather helps to define your presence in the world, giving it more weight.

As a comparison, look at minecraft: Virtual endless and offers an immense amount of freedom, yet has no actual structure to give your actions meaning.

 

[Epona]

I don't get why people who don't like Skyrim go out of their way to try to convert people who do. What it sounds like to me is that people who don't like Skyrim can't accept that they're in the minority so they ***** and complain about it to try and get more people on their side, OR they ***** and moan because they feel it's cooler to be on the outside of the majority on an issue.

It's been said before that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because you're the most stubborn about arguing about it doesn't make you right. "Good" is a relative term. "Perfect" is a relative term. "Quality" is a relative term. Reviews and everything that goes in them are all subjective. It's fine to disagree, but with what I've been reading so far it just sounds like a lot of complaining because something is popular that you don't think should be.

It's more the opposite. It sounds to me like the people who like Skyrim are shouting down those who don't. Don't let me shatter your illusions though.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I played about 7-8 hours of Skyrim in three sittings on my roommate's 360 before I realized that I wasn't having much fun. I'm glad I didn't go and drop $60 on it for PC, especially after I read in multiple user reviews that the terrible UI was ported directly from consoles.

except that on the PC you have mods to fix that...SkyUI anyone? hell it even adds a search bar thing so you can search for specific stuff easier...

I mean I don't know why everyone bitches about bugs because honestly I don't experience them... I tend to be ridiculously lucky with how I build my PCs, they seem to never have all the problems with bethesda titles everyone else and their dog apparently experiences...

But hey, maybe that's just me, and I do so very like murdering bandits and whatnot with a large variety of weapons/weapon combinations...

also the combat system has been vastly improved over the previous installments, anyone who cannot see this is either lying through their teeth or, they've never played oblivion or morrowind, or they have major rose coloured glasses syndrome, and their nostalgiavision is making it impossible for them to see that they made stamina affect melee combat in a better way, they added perks to customize your character's combat abilities, and you can actually hit people with your shield, and dual wield, and use a spell and a weapon, and there's far better backstab related stuff, and being an assasin is actually WORTH it now what with all the stealth perks and whatnot.

 

[DracoSuave]

Stop feeding the troll.

I mean, when you came on days before the game released and said you disliked the game and found it offputting, hey, that's understandable.

But the fact you went out, bought the game, and played it for over two months while hating every minute of it, after you determined the game wasn't worth the buy?

That sort of mentality only exists in the insane. I, however, believe you are rational. And therefore, you're lying.

Thus: Troll.

 

[TriGGeR_HaPPy]

Ooh! Ooh! Also, they did the wings right!
Seriously, animals with wings do not also have 4 legs/other limbs. The wings are the front legs. This has brought me much rage over the years from various sources (dragons in movies or games, humans or other animals who grew wings, etc). Wings do not grow out of the back of your back ffs, they grow out of the same place that arms would. So the fact that Skyrim made its dragons with wings that it uses as arms when it lands (e.g. like bats) made me happy, too. This is entirely just a thing for me, I understand that not many others would care about this. But I do, so once again, it's nice that someone finally got this detail right.

EDIT: This was supposed to just be edited into my post at the bottom of Page 6... My bad. >_>

 

[floobie]

It's an alright game. 3/5, I'd say. I clearly don't see in it what most people do, though. All I see is a big, pretty, extremely buggy playground with one-dimensional fantasy trope characters that don't matter and a story that you're basically supposed to ignore if you're playing it "right".

But, it has definitely taught me one thing: I should never buy a Bethesda game at launch. Skyrim was not worth 60 dollars to me. 10-20 maybe. But not 60.

 

[Savagezion]

Stop feeding the troll.

I mean, when you came on days before the game released and said you disliked the game and found it offputting, hey, that's understandable.

But the fact you went out, bought the game, and played it for over two months while hating every minute of it, after you determined the game wasn't worth the buy?

That sort of mentality only exists in the insane. I, however, believe you are rational. And therefore, you're lying.

Thus: Troll.

Your posts are always a pleasure. I salute you.

 

[Epona]

except that on the PC you have mods to fix that...SkyUI anyone? hell it even adds a search bar thing so you can search for specific stuff easier...

Mods can fix it but that's not the game Bethesda released and everyone fell all over themselves praising.

I mean I don't know why everyone bitches about bugs because honestly I don't experience them..

WOW! Arrogant much?

anyone who cannot see this is either lying through their teeth

This is an example of someone stating their opinion as fact. I mean it's one thing to say that one thing is better than the other but to say that anyone who disagrees is lying or is otherwise wrong is taking things too far.

 

[Epona]

Stop feeding the troll.

I mean, when you came on days before the game released and said you disliked the game and found it offputting, hey, that's understandable.

But the fact you went out, bought the game, and played it for over two months while hating every minute of it, after you determined the game wasn't worth the buy?

That sort of mentality only exists in the insane. I, however, believe you are rational. And therefore, you're lying.

Thus: Troll.

Of course, posting in this thread is doing exactly what you tell others not to do.

 

[Mythrignoc]

It's the media hype that leads people to believe it's either going to be the best damn game in the world, or a horrifying disappointment.

However, if people were to try and take Skyrim for what it is, it's a pretty damn good game with a solid, even if cliched story.

Skyrim to me is a major improvement over oblivion on every area. The combat is much more intense and interactive (simply moving back and forth while striking isn't the end all tactic like it was in Morrowind and Oblivion), spells are far more dynamic and balanced (no powerleveling the shit out of alteration just by casting it while destruction is left behind), the NPC's while redundant, at least have far more interesting things to say (I'd TOTALLY fucking take the Arrow to the Knee comments over "I saw a mudcrab the other day, disgusting things. Bye."), and there are countless other things that work so well in this.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not. Does it have flaws, more than enough to occasionally break a game. But, if you can look past some of the inconsistencies, flaws and bugs, it can be a great gaming experience.

That said, if you can't look past the bugs/flaws in a game as massive as this then no, you won't enjoy the game and you're also kind of an idiot to think that this game would be perfect.


Bethesda isn't about perfection; their forte lies in scale and epicness. Bit by bit, they're improving their formula for combining that with the "Be whatever you want to be, and do whatever you want to do" sort of gameplay and while I don't imagine the next game will be the golden ticket either, personally, I'm patient enough to give them a chance.

After the catastrofuck that was oblivion, this game fixed about 90% of my issues with oblivion and gave me a really wonderful experience, and while I hated bethesda before for what they did with oblivion, I can't overlook how much they've improved and I think they deserve some credence.

It seems to me that comments like yours (and there are many) are really saying that those who hate Oblivion will be the most likely to love Skyrim. To me, that is evidence enough of how far Skyrim has strayed from the expectations of TES fans. In short, Bethesda sold out TES fans.

Umm....you realize you just contradictd yourself in an amazingly stupid fashion right?

Let me break it down to you.

My comment is about how much skyrim is an improvement over oblivion and so your case is that this is Bethesda selling out to fans.

Yet in the exact same paragraph, you say that our ("our" meaning TES fans) expectations were strayed from in the release of skyrim, i.e. we didn't get what WE want.

Furthermore, Bethesda is owned by bethsoft, and bethsoft is part of bethesda, so basically it's "bethesda presents a bethesda game."

This basically means that bethesda created a fantastic game of their own design and choosing, pandered to NO one, and yet some how they're selling out to people who didn't get what they want?


Do you see the logic in that because I sure don't.

 

[Something Amyss]

So was the Wii.

Indeed. People raved about it, too.

Bethesda games are to RPGs what Call of Duty games are to Shooters (overhyped, samey and millions of people playing it and swearing its teh best game evah)...

"Samey" is part of what sells it to them, though.

 

[Adeptus Aspartem]

Hm, why do people consider Skyrim good. Why does a starvin' guy think that slice of bread tastes like nectar&ambrosia?

i can't remember alot of sinlgeplayer openworld RPG that's worth mentioning in the last 8 years. Nothing that came close to Gothic 2.
The sequeles were horrible, Risen was bland and screamed medicore. Oblivion was - besides the main story - alot of fun for me.

If i expand outside of the medival setting, i'd add Fallout + ME.

Now if we compare this to the quadrillion of copy-pasta gritty&grey shooters being released each year, why is it suprising that an RPG which is good for once gets so much hype.

Just wait till D3 hits and shows us, why no Hack n' Slay could live up to your expectations once you've played D2.
Thought TitanQuest was >< this close in bein' a real opponent. But makin' all non-melee focused combinations nearly unplaybale on legendary wasn't that smart i guess.

Anyway, even though Skyrim feels empty from time to time, i love to enjoy these little stories of all the Npcs. I actually like to have all these NPC bein' important for something. Maybe that's my bias as a pen&paper player. It's cool that you can just walk across the county and find someone in need of your help.
That's also what i most enjoyed in Oblivion. I never played more than 2-3 of the mainstory missions but dumped hours into the game. Becomin' arenamaster and leader of all the guildes takes it's time i guess.
Also quests like the absolute strange and hillarious quests of the deadric princes make the game worthwile for me.

And the craftin' system is pretty decent. I like crafting.

Edit: Lol, i forgot to mention the dragons. Yes, they were hyped - i didn't watch the trailers nor the adds, so i wasn't involved with the hype.
I think the dragon fights are awesome. I've maybe only slay'n a dozen but each fight was unique and challenging sofar. Also gettin' double-dragon'd is fun but painful.

 

[Savagezion]

Secret of Mana comes to mind. Sure, it's a 2D game but it's not turn based. You can say that fighting dragons is unique in Skyrim but can't you say that about any enemy?

Skyrim explores them and makes them pretty bad ass ancient beings. They managed to maintain the "epicness" in lore. The only real valid criticism is that the mechanics at odds with one another in the game can make the dragons seem too easy to kill. However, as I mentioned earlier, conveniently - and I definitely think coincidentally - the story of you being a dragonborn just happens to make this actually plausible in the sense that you were literally born to kill dragons. I mean, after all it is your birthright to kick their ass.

Well, every RPG I've played has you set as a hero to complete a task, usually to save the world from the ultimate evil. Let's take Chrono Trigger for example. You, and your party, are in the game for one major reason, to save the world from Lavos. Lavos is epic, he landed on the planet 65 Million years before and grew to this enormous threat. You have to travel through time and fight all kinds of enemies until you finally meet up with Lavos and destroy him. All of that just seems more epic than fighting dragons in Skyrim.

That sounds more epic to me than existing just to kill dragons. I'm sorry, I just can't get excited about killing dragons.

That's cool. There's no problem with that. Personally, I think the idea of dragons that have been in real world lore for centuries are epic in a different sense as compared to Lavos. It is all in the execution and personal taste. Lavos was epic too I will admit.

But I didn't fight him, Crono and his friends did. I issued vague "attack" commands from safety wishing they would dodge to avoid me maybe having to reload. However, I never felt in the heat of the battle. Lavos would wait for me to decide if I needed to tell Crono to drink a potion or if I thought he could stand 1 more round.

 

[Epona]

It's the media hype that leads people to believe it's either going to be the best damn game in the world, or a horrifying disappointment.

However, if people were to try and take Skyrim for what it is, it's a pretty damn good game with a solid, even if cliched story.

Skyrim to me is a major improvement over oblivion on every area. The combat is much more intense and interactive (simply moving back and forth while striking isn't the end all tactic like it was in Morrowind and Oblivion), spells are far more dynamic and balanced (no powerleveling the shit out of alteration just by casting it while destruction is left behind), the NPC's while redundant, at least have far more interesting things to say (I'd TOTALLY fucking take the Arrow to the Knee comments over "I saw a mudcrab the other day, disgusting things. Bye."), and there are countless other things that work so well in this.

Is it perfect? Absolutely not. Does it have flaws, more than enough to occasionally break a game. But, if you can look past some of the inconsistencies, flaws and bugs, it can be a great gaming experience.

That said, if you can't look past the bugs/flaws in a game as massive as this then no, you won't enjoy the game and you're also kind of an idiot to think that this game would be perfect.


Bethesda isn't about perfection; their forte lies in scale and epicness. Bit by bit, they're improving their formula for combining that with the "Be whatever you want to be, and do whatever you want to do" sort of gameplay and while I don't imagine the next game will be the golden ticket either, personally, I'm patient enough to give them a chance.

After the catastrofuck that was oblivion, this game fixed about 90% of my issues with oblivion and gave me a really wonderful experience, and while I hated bethesda before for what they did with oblivion, I can't overlook how much they've improved and I think they deserve some credence.

It seems to me that comments like yours (and there are many) are really saying that those who hate Oblivion will be the most likely to love Skyrim. To me, that is evidence enough of how far Skyrim has strayed from the expectations of TES fans. In short, Bethesda sold out TES fans.

Umm....you realize you just contradictd yourself in an amazingly stupid fashion right?

Let me break it down to you.

My comment is about how much skyrim is an improvement over oblivion and so your case is that this is Bethesda selling out to fans.

Yet in the exact same paragraph, you say that our ("our" meaning TES fans) expectations were strayed from in the release of skyrim, i.e. we didn't get what WE want.

Furthermore, Bethesda is owned by bethsoft, and bethsoft is part of bethesda, so basically it's "bethesda presents a bethesda game."

This basically means that bethesda created a fantastic game of their own design and choosing, pandered to NO one, and yet some how they're selling out to people who didn't get what they want?


Do you see the logic in that because I sure don't.

Your post makes no sense. I can't respond to it.

Let me clarify what I was saying.

There are alot of people who say "I hated Oblivion but loved Skyrim". Well, that is evidence that Skyrim is VERY different from Oblivion.

 

[Epona]

Secret of Mana comes to mind. Sure, it's a 2D game but it's not turn based. You can say that fighting dragons is unique in Skyrim but can't you say that about any enemy?

Skyrim explores them and makes them pretty bad ass ancient beings. They managed to maintain the "epicness" in lore. The only real valid criticism is that the mechanics at odds with one another in the game can make the dragons seem too easy to kill. However, as I mentioned earlier, conveniently - and I definitely think coincidentally - the story of you being a dragonborn just happens to make this actually plausible in the sense that you were literally born to kill dragons. I mean, after all it is your birthright to kick their ass.

Well, every RPG I've played has you set as a hero to complete a task, usually to save the world from the ultimate evil. Let's take Chrono Trigger for example. You, and your party, are in the game for one major reason, to save the world from Lavos. Lavos is epic, he landed on the planet 65 Million years before and grew to this enormous threat. You have to travel through time and fight all kinds of enemies until you finally meet up with Lavos and destroy him. All of that just seems more epic than fighting dragons in Skyrim.

That sounds more epic to me than existing just to kill dragons. I'm sorry, I just can't get excited about killing dragons.

That's cool. There's no problem with that. Personally, I think the idea of dragons that have been in real world lore for centuries are epic in a different sense as compared to Lavos. It is all in the execution and personal taste. Lavos was epic too I will admit.

But I didn't fight him, Crono and his friends did. I issued vague "attack" commands from safety wishing they would dodge to avoid me maybe having to reload. However, I never felt in the heat of the battle. Lavos would wait for me to decide if I needed to tell Crono to drink a potion or if I thought he could stand 1 more round.

Yeah, I get that but I don't ever feel like I am the character I am playing in a video game so it makes no difference to me if I am Lightning, Crono or the character in an TES game. BTW, Chrono Trigger used the Active Time Battle system so if you just stood there trying to decide what to do, Lavos would kick your ass.