Oh, you mean they faced mild to moderate obstacles that they overcame by the film's end, at which they stood victorious. Like being captured, or knocked out and forced to watch your only friend cut down, shortly after watching your new father figure die. Stuff like that?crimson5pheonix said:
Rey getting captured was a mild obstacle as evidenced by her getting herself out. Black Widow getting captured was a moderate obstacle because she couldn't break out on her own. Ultron was a significant obstacle because he killed one of the heroes on his way down.BloatedGuppy said:
This was probably it for me as well.Johnny Novgorod said:
You could do a lot worse than cyborg ex-Stormtrooper as a character for people to enjoy.Digi7 said:
I was still very aggravated by it. The whole thing. A similarly wounded Darth Maul would have torn them apart (in my script. I know, in reality, it is whatever is in the script. I really wish it hadn't gone down like this).Winnosh said:
Yes, of course, that's the whole point. She is extremely force sensitive and so can achieve things that others could not, her perfect outcomes of events were part of her characterisation. (And IIRC that wasn't her first time flying.)Zontar said:TR-8R begs to differ.Glongpre said:
It wasn't only that or the fact a woman who could barely get enough food to eat could outrun a man who was a well fed soldier born and raised.
It was also the fact she could maintain the Falcon better then Han despite her background not logically giving her that experience, and the fact on her first time flying she was out-piloting trained pilots, and that the first time she held a blaster she missed once before getting perfect marksmanship skills. Honestly the only thing in the whole movie she doesn't execute perfectly was her fiddling with fuses on Han's cargo ship, and even that worked out for the better in the end.
Kylo-Ren isn't fit to polish Darth Maul's boots - I suspect that people like Kylo are the sort people like Maul would be turning into practice dummies before their breakfast. You remember that scene in Kill Bill where the Bride sees that the last of the Crazy 88 is not a hardcore gangster but an obviously stupid teenager in over his head and she just spanks him with the flat of her sword? That is how I picture any hypothetical meeting between the idol and idolater.Gorfias said:
Winnosh said:
I like what you say here, but I would argue that Kylo Ren is desperately clinging to the past more than Rey is, and failing miserably, which is the whole point of his character. Any Star Wars fan knows you can't match Vader for sheer awesomeness and badassery, Ren knows it too, it's why he's such a *****.Cartographer said:
LOL. In presence, I agree. But Ren displayed some amazing powers. Maul was an amazing acrobat. He does do a force push, but Ren walked around turning people into tortured puppets and freezing laser blasts in mid-air. No way to I buy that due to him being wounded, totally untrained people would not be sliced into itty bitty rebel bits by him. I simply didn't buy it. I just have to accept that they were selling it.Gordon_4 said:
True, but due to that, we are largely left at square one again: A resistence fighting against, for all intents and purposes, fighting the empire. Foundation you had an empire that ends, leaving warring feifdoms in its wake. That could have created a lot of fun. We could have been introduced to whole new powers in new struggles (though, you have to worry that it can come off as badly as did the Trade Federation). There would be a gamble: what if people don't like the new bad guys or their situation? A risk I think would have been worth taking.
I think they knew he'd be a great villain (ala Joker, who was initially killed in his first appearance until an editor screamed, what are you doing? That character is going to be a star!... so they added a few art panels and had a startled medic say, "this guy's alive, and he's going to live.) Vader lives, spinning off into space in 4 so when I was 15, I smacked my head and said, "sequel."
I had a discussion with a friend about that helmet, and how Kylo Ren could have possibly come in contact with it. Wouldn't everything left of the Death Star have been picked over by scrappers?Gordon_4 said:
Luke took Vader with him when he left the Death Star, including his helmet. You see it on him when he's being burned on the funeral pyre.-Samurai- said:
The same Darth Maul who stands at the edge of a pit making sparks and then watches gormlessly as Obi-Wan flips over his head and disembowels him without ever raising his weapon in defense? THAT Darth Maul?Gorfias said:
If he can do that, why does he struggle to move a lightsaber and a fighter in the next movie? That was the subject of his training then. If he used telekinesis, he got severely weaker between movies. Contrasting, he showed no ability to use telekinesis in ANH apart from your assertion that he was using it at the end. However he did have a scene letting him hit things that he couldn't see, which is an equally valid use of the targeting computer (just getting the missile above the port from that distance).Pluvia said:
But he does question how that works. And the group is busy talking to Vader.
Or using them to get the missiles over the exhaust port where they curve themselves. That would actually make sense given that if the computer was telling it where to curve, they could fire from any distance and it would curve. But they wait until they're a specific distance away before they fire, the missiles were likely on fuses.
That's what you're doing. I pointed out that Luke asked if he didn't believe in the force and gave Han's full answer, you're just using one line. I'm even pulling in other Han quotes. Your line that you love so much, when taken with everything else he says, is another reason he doesn't believe in the Force. Even when Luke successfully deflects a training blaster, he chalks it up to luck.
Early in the fight kinda, but Yoda started losing when Sidious started throwing hover pulpits around. Luke wasn't fighting back against Sidious because he was getting fried by force lightning. Y'know, because Sidious is powerful.
Ok, now I remember. I had forgotten if the helmet was left on the Death Star, or if it was with Vader during his "funeral".BloatedGuppy said:
Given Luke's own struggle with the Dark Side, it might have served as a puissant reminder. Or it might have had sentimental value, in that Luke believed his father redeemed and had precious little else to remember him by.-Samurai- said:
I think that while she is hyper competent for the most part it is explainable by her upbringing on Jakku. She learned to speak a variety of languages due to the mixed nature of the scavengers. Her fighting ability is self explanatory due to the rough nature of the locals. She learned how to repair, maintain, and fly ships as those would be essential skills when doing scavenging runs and odd jobs.Zontar said:
It has a fuse to do so? Apparently if you pay attention when they're going over the plan, the top of the exhaust port is covered so they can't shoot in straight from above (I know I never personally noticed). So perhaps they engineered these missiles specifically to do so?Gundam GP01 said: