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Dawn of War (any of them)
Command and Conquer (Any of them as well)
And I've heard that Ruse is really good. But it can be slow.

Also...

Age of Mythology!
It may not be the most complex RTS out there...but it's fun.
 

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Does it have to be new (2008-2010) or does it simply need to be something you haven't played? Warlords Battlecry 2 & 3 are old, but their mechanics are very well-balanced. The games in the Total War series (Shogun and Medieval are the best) are each a series of skirmishes instead of battles, but they're worth considering.
 

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Why is this even a discussion? There's no great debate over what 1 + 1 equals, and that is a far more complicated and difficult question than this.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000101
 
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TheBaron87 said:
Why is this even a discussion? There's no great debate over what 1 + 1 equals, and that is a far more complicated and difficult question than this.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000101
No. Stagnation should not be rewarded. That kind of gameplay was acceptable back in the 2000's, when the world was backward and primitive. This is a new decade, and I won't stand for people re-releasing the same stuff.
 

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
TheBaron87 said:
Why is this even a discussion? There's no great debate over what 1 + 1 equals, and that is a far more complicated and difficult question than this.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000101
No. Stagnation should not be rewarded. That kind of gameplay was acceptable back in the 2000's, when the world was backward and primitive. This is a new decade, and I won't stand for people re-releasing the same stuff.
It's not my fault that in 12 years nobody has come up with anything better.
 

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
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Get Men of War. It is one the VERY few unique RTS games out there. It is absolutely brilliant, game-changing, and you are not a responsible RTS gamer if you have not at least TRIED IT. There is a demo on steam. Try it. You won't regret it.

It is incredibly realistic in terms of health and all that, and has very challenging and fun missions. The voice acting is hilariously bad.
I've tried that. I did it enjoy it a lot and I liked how realistic the system is.
W....wait a minute... you said that you're still looking for an RTS? Why?
I haven't been able to properly enjoy any RTS since Men of War happened, besides the once that sidestep the 'okay, I shot him - why isn't he dead?' problem, like SOASE, and Supreme Commander.

I tried to play Company of Heroes a little while back... it's like playing Oblivion after playing Morrowind.
Oh no, I'm definitely going to buy it, but I'd like to know of any other RTS games I should try out before I waste my yearly 300 dollars.
 
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TheBaron87 said:
The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
TheBaron87 said:
Why is this even a discussion? There's no great debate over what 1 + 1 equals, and that is a far more complicated and difficult question than this.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000101
No. Stagnation should not be rewarded. That kind of gameplay was acceptable back in the 2000's, when the world was backward and primitive. This is a new decade, and I won't stand for people re-releasing the same stuff.
It's not my fault that in 12 years nobody has come up with anything better.
"Get Men of War. It is one the VERY few unique RTS games out there. It is absolutely brilliant, game-changing, and you are not a responsible RTS gamer if you have not at least TRIED IT. There is a demo on steam. Try it. You won't regret it. Chances are, all other games mention (Age of Empires, Starcraft, DOW 1, Starcraft II, Starcraft II, MY GOT WHY WON'T BLIZZARD INNOVATE, Starcraft II) Will all be the same basic gameplay. Men of War doesn't follow that shit. It is unique and brilliant.

It is incredibly realistic in terms of health and all that, and has very challenging and fun missions. The voice acting is hilariously bad. The level of detail in this game is absurd:
- Every unit has an inventory
- You can Isometrically control each and every unit (Diablo style)
- Every unit needs to reload
- You can take an empty flamethrower pack, walk up to a tiger tank, and if you're quiet enough, EMPTY THE TANK"S FUEL INTO THE FLAMETHROWER

That should sound awesome. If it doesn't contact your doctor. If you liked Company of Heroes, you will LOVE this game."

Sorry about the double post.

OP: $300? Where do you live? It's like $30 on steam in the frozen wastes of Canadia...
 

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Just to chime in for a request - any similar RTSs to C&C Generals Zero Hour? Nice bit of choice of "class", relatively (not overly) simple gameplay? RTSs are a bit of an Achilles foot for me, would like to mend that fact slowly with some good ones without throwing myself to a pack of wolves right away :p

And just don't say Starcraft/Warcraft (not sure how simple you'd consider them, but an exclusion criteria nonetheless :p ), played those, would like something new and different.
 

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Get Men of War. It is one the VERY few unique RTS games out there. It is absolutely brilliant, game-changing, and you are not a responsible RTS gamer if you have not at least TRIED IT. There is a demo on steam. Try it. You won't regret it. Chances are, all other games mention (Age of Empires, Starcraft, DOW 1, Starcraft II, Starcraft II, MY GOT WHY WON'T BLIZZARD INNOVATE, Starcraft II) Will all be the same basic gameplay. Men of War doesn't follow that shit. It is unique and brilliant.

It is incredibly realistic in terms of health and all that, and has very challenging and fun missions. The voice acting is hilariously bad. The level of detail in this game is absurd:
- Every unit has an inventory
- You can Isometrically control each and every unit (Diablo style)
- Every unit needs to reload
- You can take an empty flamethrower pack, walk up to a tiger tank, and if you're quiet enough, EMPTY THE TANK"S FUEL INTO THE FLAMETHROWER

That should sound awesome. If it doesn't contact your doctor. If you liked Company of Heroes, you will LOVE this game.
After reading this I instantly asked myself "Why the bloody hell haven't I played this yet?"
I didn't even know such a game existed. It's like some developer read my mind.

OT: Try Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3. It's very fun.
 

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installed Supreme Ruler 2020 on friday, and the b*stard stole my whole weekend.

gameplay video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdZjAxvPlC4
all i have to say is looks can be deceiving.
 

InnerRebellion

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
TheBaron87 said:
The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
TheBaron87 said:
Why is this even a discussion? There's no great debate over what 1 + 1 equals, and that is a far more complicated and difficult question than this.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000101
No. Stagnation should not be rewarded. That kind of gameplay was acceptable back in the 2000's, when the world was backward and primitive. This is a new decade, and I won't stand for people re-releasing the same stuff.
It's not my fault that in 12 years nobody has come up with anything better.
"Get Men of War. It is one the VERY few unique RTS games out there. It is absolutely brilliant, game-changing, and you are not a responsible RTS gamer if you have not at least TRIED IT. There is a demo on steam. Try it. You won't regret it. Chances are, all other games mention (Age of Empires, Starcraft, DOW 1, Starcraft II, Starcraft II, MY GOT WHY WON'T BLIZZARD INNOVATE, Starcraft II) Will all be the same basic gameplay. Men of War doesn't follow that shit. It is unique and brilliant.

It is incredibly realistic in terms of health and all that, and has very challenging and fun missions. The voice acting is hilariously bad. The level of detail in this game is absurd:
- Every unit has an inventory
- You can Isometrically control each and every unit (Diablo style)
- Every unit needs to reload
- You can take an empty flamethrower pack, walk up to a tiger tank, and if you're quiet enough, EMPTY THE TANK"S FUEL INTO THE FLAMETHROWER

That should sound awesome. If it doesn't contact your doctor. If you liked Company of Heroes, you will LOVE this game."

Sorry about the double post.

OP: $300? Where do you live? It's like $30 on steam in the frozen wastes of Canadia...
No no, I get $300 every year on my birthday. I always blow it on video games, so I want to actually grab good games this year.
 
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Vrach said:
Just to chime in for a request - any similar RTSs to C&C Generals Zero Hour? Nice bit of choice of "class", relatively (not overly) simple gameplay? RTSs are a bit of an Achilles foot for me, would like to mend that fact slowly with some good ones without throwing myself to a pack of wolves right away :p

And just don't say Starcraft/Warcraft (not sure how simple you'd consider them, but an exclusion criteria nonetheless :p ), played those, would like something new and different.
If you ask me and if money is no issue? I'd take this learning curve:
Supreme Commander 2 (baby's first RTS - Halo Wars which is just insulting) -> Company of Heroes -> MEN OF WAR!!!

Unless you prefer the civilization monocle wearing tea drinking sort of RTS (I personally am down with that as well as you might guess by my avatar + username) in which case I'd go for:
Supreme Commander 2 (see above) -> Supreme Commander 1 -> Sins of a Solar Empire (reeeeally slow paced but great fun for diplomatic oriented LANning)

EDIT: OP: ahhhhh, I see. I'd reccomend Men of War, TF2(though you're a PC gamer so I assume you already have it, if not SHAAAAME), Mount and Blade Warband, Brink (I think, looks promising but I haven't played it), Threadspace Hyperbol (on steam, there's a demo, play the tutorial), and Morrowind. You may have some of those, in which case bravo.
 

TheBaron87

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
TheBaron87 said:
The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
TheBaron87 said:
Why is this even a discussion? There's no great debate over what 1 + 1 equals, and that is a far more complicated and difficult question than this.

http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000101
No. Stagnation should not be rewarded. That kind of gameplay was acceptable back in the 2000's, when the world was backward and primitive. This is a new decade, and I won't stand for people re-releasing the same stuff.
It's not my fault that in 12 years nobody has come up with anything better.
Get Men of War. It is one the VERY few unique RTS games out there. It is absolutely brilliant, game-changing, and you are not a responsible RTS gamer if you have not at least TRIED IT. There is a demo on steam. Try it. You won't regret it. Chances are, all other games mention (Age of Empires, Starcraft, DOW 1, Starcraft II, Starcraft II, MY GOT WHY WON'T BLIZZARD INNOVATE, Starcraft II) Will all be the same basic gameplay. Men of War doesn't follow that shit. It is unique and brilliant.

It is incredibly realistic in terms of health and all that, and has very challenging and fun missions. The voice acting is hilariously bad. The level of detail in this game is absurd:
- Every unit has an inventory
- You can Isometrically control each and every unit (Diablo style)
- Every unit needs to reload
- You can take an empty flamethrower pack, walk up to a tiger tank, and if you're quiet enough, EMPTY THE TANK"S FUEL INTO THE FLAMETHROWER

That should sound awesome. If it doesn't contact your doctor. If you liked Company of Heroes, you will LOVE this game.

Sorry about the double post.

OP: $300? Where do you live? It's like $30 in the frozen wastes of Canadia...
That's nice. Is it balanced? Is it competitive? Is it FUN?

I'll try it, but seriously, newer does not mean better. Innovation means NOTHING if you do not IMPROVE on what you're innovating from. Appealing to novelty is a fallacy for a reason.

You used the phrase "it's like playing Oblivion after playing Morrowind." The context makes it seem like you think Morrowind is better. So in that case, you claim the old game is better, yet Starcraft can't be because it's lacking all the new features? Nintendo is often blamed for innovating little but they regularly produce instant classics. Heard of Stormrise? That was an RTS with a very "innovative" new control scheme. Guess what, IT SUCKED. The Virtual Boy was innovative, have you tried it? Innovation is a buzzword and little else. Quality something entirely different.
 

InnerRebellion

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Vrach said:
Just to chime in for a request - any similar RTSs to C&C Generals Zero Hour? Nice bit of choice of "class", relatively (not overly) simple gameplay? RTSs are a bit of an Achilles foot for me, would like to mend that fact slowly with some good ones without throwing myself to a pack of wolves right away :p

And just don't say Starcraft/Warcraft (not sure how simple you'd consider them, but an exclusion criteria nonetheless :p ), played those, would like something new and different.
OP: ahhhhh, I see. I'd reccomend Men of War, TF2(though you're a PC gamer so I assume you already have it, if not SHAAAAME), Mount and Blade Warband, Brink (I think, looks promising but I haven't played it), Threadspace Hyperbol (on steam, there's a demo, play the tutorial), and Morrowind. You may have some of those, in which case bravo.
What is so great about TF2? My cousin and his room mates are dedicated to it, and I don't even know what it is.
 

Vrach

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The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
If you ask me and if money is no issue? I'd take this learning curve:
Supreme Commander 2 (baby's first RTS - Halo Wars which is just insulting) -> Company of Heroes -> MEN OF WAR!!!

Unless you prefer the civilization monocle wearing tea drinking sort of RTS (I personally am down with that as well as you might guess by my avatar + username) in which case I'd go for:
Supreme Commander 2 (see above) -> Supreme Commander 1 -> Sins of a Solar Empire (reeeeally slow paced but great fun for diplomatic oriented LANning)
Mmmm, kinda seen Supreme Commander 2 gameplay on YouTube and wasn't impressed. Like the good old games that go - build base > build units > transport units > attack. Might be wrong but Supreme Commander 2 kinda sidestepped that somehow with "guns that shoot units over chasms into enemy bases". I kinda blinked a few times and lost all interest in the game :|

Will look into Men of War though tomorrow (tired as hell atm), kinda like the concept (just afraid I might be a little overwhelmed, but hey, I guess having sharks in the pool helps you learn to swim faster). More suggestions would still be welcome though, especially if there's something in the generals line, kinda thinking of looking into C&C's other games but word of mouth is that the latest Tiberian Sun sucks. Oh and not morally opposed to turn based combat either if anyone's got ideas lying around ^^ (played Civ III and Rome: Total War, enjoyed the concept of both, I know there's been a new TW game out since, will look into it, but again, more suggestions would always rock, strategies aren't my strong point)

quick edit: just looked into Total War and realised why I dropped out on the series, the ages they went for since really haven't appealed to me... fingers crossed for next year's TW: Shogun 2 though, like the small amount of info I found on it :)