I really dont get it... (Dark Knight)

[vultureX21]

I went in to it with the mindset that I was going to enjoy it

I just think its extremely wanky to take something which has a reputation of being in a certain style and then taking that, saying phwaa to all the other perfectly good and successful examples of that genre and aiming to be more...artistic so it can avoid relation to its other members of the genre (Its kind of like how whenever a film was made of a picture book say Jumanji it was normally just a good, all-rounder family flick, then some douche from hollywood comes along and says phwaa, I don't want my picture book to be like those films and then they go off and make where the wild things are the movie (GAAAAH I HATE THEM SO MUCH))

You've got me on the fence with this one. I want to hope that Where the Wild Things Are captures the spirit of the book, though every time I see Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs my eyes spew blood, so there's that. I guess I didn't see that much of a deviation from the Batman comics, but then again I was looking at them as darker because those were the comics I liked. Personal taste I suppose.

And yes I can toss out the comicbook argument, let's face it, they're basically just a collection of well drawn pictures surrounded by boofs and bams, also with good character development and freedom to assist the characterisation process, so they serve their purpose and serve it well (Spare the anime ones, that's a whole different ball game)

Eh, respectfully disagree on the "collection of well drawn pictures" bit, but you made a valid point and that's enough for me.

And you sure do talk alot

I know, I'm long-winded. Apologies to anyone it annoys, I'll try to rein it in.

I really don't want to start a flame war but if people on the escapist are gonna contradict me, brother I can go as long as you want.

Not a flame war at all, I just dislike blanket statements without support. I figured it was less rude to quote it and argue against it so you could respond instead of saying, "YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE COMICS CHANGED MY LIFE AND ARE THE BEST THING EVARZZZ!!!"

Which isn't true, but you understand my point. No intent to offend, sorry if I did.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

300 would be more understandable. That film was terrible and awesome at the same time. If you saw the trailer, it wasn't really necessary to watch the film, and it left a horrible taste in my mouth that some were stating that film as historical truth. I despised Zack Snyder after that.

Okay, okay. Not trying to pick on you but THIS is what I do not get.

People in here have stated how much they've hated the movie because of the fads that sprung up around it; you decided to hate on a director because some people went overboard with references\beliefs about his movie. Flat out; that is not the fault of the film\director.

Nay, friend. The historical truth part irritates me in a separate manner. I don't hate Zack Snyder or the film because of his fans, that's like hating Naruto because of the fans (which a LOT of people do, and it irritates me). I hate Zack Snyder because he abuses slo-mo sequences (it ate at me in Watchmen and other films) and his seeming inability to put that effect away. And because he's agreed to do the sequel to 300.

That's why I hate him. I loved 300, true it doesn't allude you to be any more than it is (which is a good thing), but it still isn't a "good" film in a sense. Sucker Punch looks interesting though, I'll give him that.

 

[Shapsters]

Oh you don't like a popular movie and feel you need to make a thread about how special you are? Neat.

It's a great movie, you didn't like it, what do I care?

 

[randomrob]

I just really liked Heath Ledger. the guy who did Batman pissed me off though

 

[PhiMed]

But I do have to agree with you on the Heath Ledger thing. People praise that as his best performance ever which is absolute shit. It was a okay performance for him but he has done far, far better.

Far far better? For example?

I'm of the opinion that it was one of his ONLY good performances. Not to speak ill of the dead, but I don't remember anyone even mentioning him as a good actor until Brokeback Mountain, and I thought Gyllenhaal acted circles around him in that movie.

The only performance I think he ever had that even begins to compare to Dark Knight's Joker was in Monster's Ball, and he was only in that movie for a total of about ten minutes and his fake southern accent kind of grated on my nerves.

So I'd be interested to know if you can cite something specific that you thought was much better than this movie, or if you're just being contrarian because "manestraem sux".

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I hate these types of threads.

I can't explain why somthing is popular becuase it's often by public opinon. I like it for one reason and Bobby Otherperson may like for another reason while Sarah Thirdperson may dislike it.

 

[appleblush]

Okay here's the thing about The Dark Knight, and any movie for that matter.

Most people who see it come in with a preset mindset, based on what they already know about the movie and in this case the character. Most of the people who think it's good had a description in their head of who Batman was - not a parody but not gothic either. They wanted to see Batman taken seriously but still being real enough and not overly dark. They wanted an in-between of Burton and Schumacker, leaning more towards Burton. And Nolan delivered that. For fans it was exactly what we asked for.

Not only that but cinematically it looks gorgeous.

The main problem with non-fans, or rather problems, is that they have a present mindset too. That they aren't going to like it. People on the Internet are especially guilty of this. They're of the belief that if something is incredibly hyped it will automatically be bad which isn't true. Many are also of the belief that if a lot of people like something it's bad.

You don't have to disagree with the popular opinion all the time to see "cool", and in fact you're most likely going to just come off as annoying. I know I can't do anything to change your mind since you've already decided you don't like it and it probably isn't even the movies fault.

Besides, whenever a new movie with build-up like The Dark Knight comes out, everyone always says "IT'S THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER!" The same thing happened with Watchmen, which I didn't like for a list of reasons, and the same thing will happen with Alice in Wonderland. It just happens, especially with dark, college-directed, Burton-esque flicks.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

I hate these types of threads.

I can't explain why somthing is popular becuase it's often by public opinon. I like it for one reason and Bobby Otherperson may like for another reason while Sarah Thirdperson may dislike it.

Exactly, though I seem to see these threads sometimes as "look at me! My opinion differs from yours!" kind of thing. Could be wrong though...

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I hate these types of threads.

I can't explain why somthing is popular becuase it's often by public opinon. I like it for one reason and Bobby Otherperson may like for another reason while Sarah Thirdperson may dislike it.

Exactly, though I seem to see these threads sometimes as "look at me! My opinion differs from yours!" kind of thing. Could be wrong though...

Those people do exist unfortunatly. They have a strange mindset that Hate= Unique. There are plenty of people who like Portal and there are plenty who dislike it as well. But they go around bragging about being diffrent.

 

[NordicWarrior]

Every character had a monologue to explain each part of the movie and was probably what made the movie suffer most...aside from Bale's Batman voice.



Thats what I had a hard time with. I found the Batman voice so forced, it pulls me out of the movie. I wanted to yell at him to clear his throat.

 

[The Bandit]

I finally, about 3 hours ago, saw the Dark Knight for the first time with my girlfriend, and in all honesty I can say this is probably the most overrated movie in recent memory (rivaled only by the likes of Slum Dog Millionaire).

Now I had no intention of ever watching this movie, because the Joker "fan base" pissed me off to no end. I think it's safe to say I can tell what kind of person you are if you have anything that says "Why so serious?" and know we have nothing in common, and can never be friends.

Ranting aside, can anyone please point out why this movie is good? Or better yet, explain why people are so obsessed over it? Sure, the "OMGHEATHLEDGER" trend lasted about 2 months, but it still wasn't deserved.

Just wondering if I'm the only person who didn't enjoy this film?

You went in expecting not to like it. What do you expect?

 

[The Cheezy One]

whats not to get?

Every character had a monologue to explain each part of the movie and was probably what made the movie suffer most...aside from Bale's Batman voice.



Thats what I had a hard time with. I found the Batman voice so forced, it pulls me out of the movie. I wanted to yell at him to clear his throat.

its the best part, when he thinks hes talking in a gruff cool voice, he just sounds like an old dog

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

I'ver read the comic, and I know the scene, but to me this is same thing diffrent version. The idea was that that night Rorshach changed, and the ideea was sent to the public in both film and comic. And good sir, this is called nitpicking. I understand you are a fan, but when something translates from one medium to another subtle changes have to take place and for all intents and pupuses Watchmen is a "how-to" on making an adaptation, making it intsantlly recognizble and relevant to fans but be open for an audiance that isn't initiated and doesn't know what the hell is going to happen straight from the get-go . If you expect every scene to be exacly like in the sorce material and spaz-out if it's a diffrent take with the same message, I'm sorry but you're becoming a fan-boy who simply and can't be pleased.

Oh please, don't mistake me for suffering from such rubbish as fanboyism.

Im a storyteller first and a fan second.

The reason why im "nitpicking" is because that exact scene in the comicbook conveyed a completely different feel for what Rorschach turned into, than the feel conveyed in the movie.

I tried to illustrate this for you in quite a non-fanboyist manner. Fanboys are usually only able to motivate why they think something was bad simply because it's not like the original. What I did was point out that scene as an example (there are many more but I just chose that one for simplicity). I explained why the conveyed idea and feel of the scene missed out on something vital and I can further explain what impact this does to the over all story if you would like me to.

Also I could draw up a simple storyboard of how that particular scene could've been shot and sticking to the original (because this scene was an important one to keep original), but I hope you won't ask this of me because it sounds like quite a lot of hassle just to prove that you're not just another grunt in the army of fanboys.

And im not completely below admiration for the effort in trying to make the film, it's just that if im left feeling disappointed I really don't see a reason for praising it like it was great film, because it wasn't a great film, just a moderatly well made adaption. That doesn't make me a fanboy, that just makes me a person with appropriate standards...

 

[teutonicman]

I really liked the movie because it was the kind of movie I wanted to see Batman in finally(Im a Bat-fan), the plot had some twists, and Heath's incarnation was badass.

 

[bilkobob]

God, "why so serious" is so fucken overused. I feel like punching people in the face for it

I was going to say "why so serious", but realized that the irony was heavy enough to club small children with.

And yes, it's almost as overused as "epic" and "noob" in day-to-day life.

Oddly enough, I just saw a Time Warner commercial that used the word "noob". I felt like throwing a brick at my television, but it's fairly new and very expensive.

I thought it was dull and drawn out and never saw what the big fuss was. If I were to rate the Batman movies I'd have put the '89 movie with Michael Keaton and Nicholson above the Dark Knight. I also though Nicholson was a better Joker too.

So Romero gets no love?

Hmm, yeah, Romero was okay. But if you asked me which of the TV series villains I liked best, it'd go to Meredith as the Penguin. Of course, Dick Cheney would probably make a better one than Meredith, but that is neither here nor there. Plus it's a scary thought.

 

[Zeldadudes]

It's a great film because they took a completely different angle of looking at Batman, Joker and everything else in Gotham city.
I'm purely saying that i was shocked by the sheer difference from the Joker Jack Nicolson played to the Joker Heath Ledger played.

To the OP, maybe its because you expected so much that you were not pleased with what you saw because of that expectancy?

Not the first time i've done that about a game, film or even an album.