I really don't like Deus Ex: HR

[TheAmokz]

Well obviously your opinion sucks. I like the game and my opinion is better than yours.


PS: What is with this with replacing you with u? Are people really that lazy that they cant type 2 extra letters?

yes.

are people really that anal that they have to whine about a spelling that they still understand?

Fact is that your "spelling" is like Dresden 15 February 1945 to my brains.

 

[Greatjusticeman]

Okay, from what i have played so far i am not very impressed.

For starters this game claims that you can "play it how you want." Well that couldn't be farther from the truth. This is a stealth game plain and simple; you just get to choose whether it is a game where u shoot people that know your around there somewhere, shoot people that have no idea your there, or u can choose to not kill people but instead put them into a magical coma with your non lethal pistol/tazer and tranq rifle. But what you cannot do under any circumstance is stand up and stop using their stupid ass fucking cover system, more on that later, because u will die instantly.

but u know what i dont give a frak if the game doesn't want to give me choice as long as the gameplay im pigeonholed into is good. I actually LIKE stealth games. The splinter cell games are great fun. I love metal Gear Solid. I've played every single Bethesda game as a sneak character, ive played 3 SOCOM games, i played stalker like a kneay ghost dishing out Ukranian justice and honestly u could list a trillion more examples; basically stealth games are my shit. So i start this game with the intention of playing it how they want me to and after about an hour or so i realize how freaking dumb the AI is and how stupid the EXP distribution is.

lets start with the "AI" and all the wonderful intelligence they have been blessed with. basically every single enemy i have come across has one single set path where they walk between one or 2 points, stopping occasionally. They never deviate at all or have any sort of realistic rhyme or reason to how they are moving. They cant seem to see anything u do except for randomly every once and a while when they are nowhere near u. They can hear up to about 3 feet away from themselves. unless u dare try to kill someone with a melee attack. Heaven forbid u harm a human being(but we will get back to that) Basically if u are crouching and u arent directly in front of someone u could follow them around their entire patrol route without them noticing. 2 people are in a room less than 10 feet from each other. No problem just melee on then walk over and melee the other. Stealth AI is notoriously bad but this is just a joke.

but i guess the thing that pisses me off most of all, is that certain gameplay types actually get more experience than others.u get MORE experience for not killing someone(remember the magical coma). and u get loads more experience for meleeing someone but make sure u do a nonlethal melee attack because ure character has to kill people in the noises way possible. because u know getting stabbed is way noisier than getting the shit beaten out of you. This makes no sense.

and the controls are just freaking awful. U have no choice but to use toggle iron sights, when u stick to cover u cant peek with the iron sight button but u have to move to the edge. the melee button and cover change button do different things depending on if u hold or tap them/ The sprint is a joke. most of the upgrades are pointless and feel like they should have been unlocked from the beginning.

Oh and the voice acting is shitty but u cant tell because the idle animations during conversations look like the character has parkinsons 50 percent of the time.

The music and art are nice tho. I guess that is a plus. So ya someone please tell me what im doing wrong or why I'm wrong.

First, it just doesn't sound like your cup of tea. And honestly, most of your concerns to me are either exaggerated or not that game breaking. I found the AI to be fine - yeah, it's mindless in some parts, but in other parts I did find the AI challenging. Also, if you seem to find the AI 'retarded' as you seem to put it, then reel up the difficulty.

I was pleasantly surprised to actually find the controls to be smooth considering the fact at first I didn't like how they did this game mainly from a 1st person perspective instead of a 3rd.

Also, you can go 'guns blazing' but not in the CoD way you think it should be. You still have to see how enemies move and place your shots just on time - not just run in and be like, "LOLOLOL TSTE LEAD!!11"

I really don't understand your rant. Not because the things are so minor but because it sounds like you just don't really know how to play the game right. It's also hard to someone who uses extreme vulgarity and minimal coherence seriously when trying to write a rant about a game.

 

[SextusMaximus]

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THIS GAME.

There are solutions to almost every single one of those options, read the tutorial before playing the game, sorted!

(Either that or you don't understand the concepts delivered, fair enough - you don't seem that bright anyway).

 

[The3rdEye]

Presentation aside, I have to agree with the OP on a number of points. There's so much stacked against you if you choose to go without taking hacking levels that it can be quite detrimental. PDA's with security codes are often in obscure locations or on the dead/unconcious bodies of guards. Why can't you pickpocket them? Are "stealth" and "theft" not best of friends? Or tap into their PDA via wireless connection? Your body is a walking heap of technological marvels but you can't crack into someone's bluetooth? There are times and situations where I do feel that I'm being punished for not falling within the designer's predictions. If you were forced to go entirely by design then the game could be fleshed out in one way or the other, instead it feels like concessions for other playstyles are merely an afterthought.

Why can I run a city block with all of these bionic enhancements without a recharge, but I fork out a whole cell of energy just to take out one guy, the same amount of juice required to make me completely invisible for 3 seconds? Considering that there is at times the need/option to break glass in order to progress, why do you need to whip out your (hopefully silenced) firearm in order to do so? A flick of the wrist would suffice, something that would have been extremely useful if you needed to get one enemy's attention from cover (like the wall tap from MG).

Yes, it's a very story centric game, I get that. Being published by SE that's actually something I expect. Up until the events in Montreal, about half way through the game (?) the pacing seems rather slow, sparse and just not that intriguing, tendencies to guess ahead aside. Quest challenges and rewards are very isolated from the overall experience, which wouldn't bother me if the game wasn't such a linear experience overall. There was little character development with the notable exception of Faridah Malik, pilot and secondary character to the entire story. Even though her scenes are limited and aren't necessarily needed to drive the story forward, she was still the most interesting which is just not acceptable considering her minor role. Jensen being an emotionless statue of a lead whose voice actor gargle's the same gravel as Christian Bale while embarking on missions that cover a range of ethical issues with all the emotional range of my toaster doesn't help either.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good there. At first it felt like I was playing a true spiritual successor to Shadowrun (the network icons helped quite a bit, devil in the details) and that really excited me. Then it started to feel like Ghost in the Shell with the thermo-optic camo, and the conspiracies within conspiracies plot loops. But I can't help but suspect that there's the chance that the market has been so sorely starved for a well executed stealth game/sequel (and it is well executed mind, not great but well) that there might be some blinding between what is there and what we wish it was.

Honestly the only thing that ever kept me going was the hope that while what I had seen so far was by no means bad, that maybe there was something just around the corner that would really make me sink my teeth into the game and not want to let go. Add in the seldom present (but well executed) musical score and unimpressive level design and sadly, that just never really happened.[footnote]What the hell is up with all the cardboard boxes? Do corrugated paper products gain the ability to reproduce in the future or what?[/footnote]

 

[C95J]

Where are all the "don't post opinion threads" people when CoD threads always pop up? Oh, that's right, I forgot lots of people here are hypocrites when it comes to this sort of stuff. Not so friendly when a game the you like gets criticised.

Note: If this doesn't strictly apply to you, don't rage at me, because I'm not talking to, or about you...

 

[Dogstile]

You know, I don't actually agree with you at all on the stealth shooter thing. I've gone through it twice now, the fuck everyone over is a perfectly valid playstyle. Sure you miss out on some rewards but to be honest, fuck those rewards.

People are getting "play how you want" mixed up with "play how you want and get exactly the same rewards no matter what".

 

[ImprovizoR]

I love this game. Yes, it's focused more on stealth than action and that's precisely why I love it. I love stealth games. And this game can be played entirely as a stealth game. A stealth RPG! It doesn't get any better than that. It's like a dream come true. And the shooting is also done very well in my not so humble opinion.

 

[GrizzlerBorno]

But what you cannot do under any circumstance is stand up and stop using their stupid ass fucking cover system, more on that later, because u will die instantly.

They made the gun combat super hard so that people are encouraged to use stealth. I literally see absolutely nothing wrong with that whatsoever. If you could just stand up and take 7 million bullets to the head like an old school, pre-chest-high-wall FPS.....this game would just be that, instead of a complex RPG where stealth is actually a viable option.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

Personally I loved it. It may be my GOTY. But I agree and disagree with some of your points. First i agree the some voice acting is bad and some of the animations are bad. For the most part the acting is good and the animations need big work. But you can play how you want. First time i played I had max armor and everything about shooting. I just gunned people down on normal. Now I'm on hard doing the same proving you can play as you want and right now its working great. Just have to get use to how it works.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Oh and forgive the vulgar, offensive, and seemingly illiterate appearance of my message. I am tired and upset that i wasted my time and money on this and it is literally keeping me up right now. Hopefully i can get some sleep now that this is off my chest.

Reminds me of when I bought Star Ocean: The Last Hope. I was really excited for that game, and it turned out to be complete shite. And then whenever I inform people of this, they tell me im an idiot and Star Ocean TLH is one of the best JRPGs ever. What the fuck people?

As for DE-HR, I played the demo, and while I enjoyed it, it found the save feature a bit game-breaking. What I like about stealth games is that if I screw up, I have to start again, which makes me more cautious. But in HR I could state save at any time, reloading at the exact same time and position. So i just saved before I made a move and reloaded if it failed. Not sure if this is true in the actual game, but it pissed me off.

 

[Knobody13]

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Enjoy the Escapist.

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any time cutie ;D

For some reason you think that this is an argument. It's not. I'm just making a statement. Once you realize what an opinion is (an idea emotionally driven) and how to have an opinion without being arrogant (remember, there is no such thing as a correct opinion or an incorrect one), you will start to blossom into a strapping young lad.

You will respond to this in an insecure way, trying to make it look like you 'won,' just like you have done with every single other response that has disagreed with your opinion. If that makes you feel like a man then proceed to 'argue' with me. I will not respond.

Man what is it with people on the internet and attacking the arguer. You have to make so many fraking erroneous assumptions about them it just makes you sound like an idiot. The only thing you are right about, is my responding. I will respond because I like to argue; but it doesn't take a profiler to figure that one out. It doesn't make me feel MANLY. I reserve feelings of manlyness for when I wrestle bears and smear their blood on my chest to promote hair growth. Hopefully you will keep your word and not reply to this post because I doubt you have the ability to sink down to my lower world view and listen to anything I say.

For starters take a look at your post. You are arguing with me. You are trying to convince me that YOUR opinion is right. I guess its ok though, and definitely not arrogant because you are "mature." Let me ask you a question does chastising little boys on the internet make you feel manly? You mistake peoples entitlement to their own opinions with right to not have them questioned. I respect the right of all these fine people to think Deus Ex is a good game. In fact I'M HAPPY FOR THEM. I wish that I had had fun with this game; but unfortunately I have become a bit of a cynic. I posted in this thread because I was upset and bored and I wanted to know if i was the only one who shared this position. I have been ecstatic with the massive response I have gotten on both sides. Some people have politely agreed with some of my points and expressed their disagreement with other. Other people have empathized with me and shared similar experiences. Over all I have had a great time both arguing with and agreeing with different people in this FORUM. Maybe you should google the origin of that word some time. Because I don't think you understand exactly what the purpose of this board is.

Bottom line I respect you and this community to much to respect your idiotic opinion. Have a nice life. Hopefully one day you will blossom into a strapping young lad.

 

[EvanJO]

I am almost at the end and I've literally used stealth one time, and that was to see if I could complete a mission without an alarm going off.

Everyother time I just kicked in the door and blew everyone apart.

Edit: Well, not quite like that, because the enemies deal insane amounts of damage and you have the constitution of a 95 year old asthmatic, but still, I relied on the shotgun/handgun way more than anything else, besides maybe hacking.

 

[kutuup]

I can see why people thinking the game can be played like a fast paced run and gun FPS would be disappointed. The game does allow a variety of play styles, but only as long as you play within the realm of what the mechanics allow. The game is designed to be played like an RPG, slowly, tactically and without rushing. Personally, I name it my game of the year, but I understand why many people might not find it to their taste. It's more of an RPG than a shooter, much like the original. For people who prefer a more FPS style experience, I would recommend the sequel, Invisible War, which was far more geared towards FPS fans. Deus Ex is a very story driven series, and it doesn't lend itself well to fast paced rush play. It's more about immersion and problem solving. I know that's not everyone's thing, but for the people who love that kind of experienced, it's unmatched in this generation.

 

[The3rdEye]

I can see why people thinking the game can be played like a fast paced run and gun FPS would be disappointed. The game does allow a variety of play styles, but only as long as you play within the realm of what the mechanics allow. The game is designed to be played like an RPG, slowly, tactically and without rushing. Personally, I name it my game of the year, but I understand why many people might not find it to their taste. It's more of an RPG than a shooter, much like the original. For people who prefer a more FPS style experience, I would recommend the sequel, Invisible War, which was far more geared towards FPS fans. Deus Ex is a very story driven series, and it doesn't lend itself well to fast paced rush play. It's more about immersion and problem solving. I know that's not everyone's thing, but for the people who love that kind of experienced, it's unmatched in this generation.

Speaking for myself, I still play Metal Gear; Sons of Liberty, one of the only reasons I feel such joy in having an original (knock on wood) Xbox. It was possible to run and gun through that game as well, but unlike DE:HR enemy guards actually spawned rather than being limited to what was already in the area. In other words, also highly stealth focused, and until you beat the game under specific requirements, no full stealth mode.

Having said that, my complaints against DE:HR still stand.

but for the people who love that kind of experienced, it's unmatched in this generation.

True, I actually can't think of another title (dunno about MGS4, Snake-eater was the be all end all of that series for me) that has such a heavy leaning for planning over brute force. However, being the only example does not automatically qualify it as a great example.

 

[CarlsonAndPeeters]

I am in love with this game, plain and simple, but I definitely understand what you're saying. I'd debate you on some points--controls, especially--but since I'm playing the game as a lethal-stealth hunting machine (silence pistol w/ laser sight ftw) I wouldn't know if the run-and-gun-gameplay is broken or not.

I will say that the AI is pretty laughable. I love that when a guard is searching a body, they will almost always search right up to the corner of the cover I am behind, then turn and leave. I always have a little chuckle. Then I shoot them.

For me, though, the faults don't detract from the overall experience.

 

[Knobody13]

If you dont like a game that fine but just keep it to yourself. We dont need people starting more hate or troll threads.

why exactly? I believe the forum supports all kinds of discussion other than those specifically attacking a person. I don't think this qualifies as a troll thread anymore than Yahtzees weekly videos. I have complaints I have listed them. I would like to discuss it with the intelligent people on this site. I am not sorry that my differing opinion offends you; maybe, you should keep YOUR opinion to yourself. If I have somehow overlooked part of the terms of service that says you're not allowed to bash a game, please show me where. In the future I'll do my best not to pollute YOUR forum with my trash.

 

[Hyperactiveman]

I love stealth games. I played Hitman and Splinter Cell like ALOT and thought myself to be rather good at them.

When I play DE:HR first time through I used stealth and found it to be very enjoyable, though easy even without the stealth augmentations I could just quickly run in front of someone and they'd just be suspicious and not running for the alarm. Having said that I had also had times where the alarm had gone off where I hadn't done anything to make that happen and gone like wtf.

So I don't reckon what you're on about is very... justified honestly. -_^

 

[Mrmac23]

Well, i wouldn't know, since i haven't played the game. But let me make something clear.
IT!
IS SPELT!
"YOU"!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
YOU. NOT U. YES? YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT YOU DO? THANK YOU.
It is impossible for me to take you seriously (read: not get really bloody pissed off) when you do that. Okay?

 

[Knobody13]

Well, i wouldn't know, since i haven't played the game. But let me make something clear.
IT!
IS SPELT!
"YOU"!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
YOU. NOT U. YES? YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT YOU DO? THANK YOU.
It is impossible for me to take you seriously (read: not get really bloody pissed off) when you do that. Okay?

u don't own me
u can't tell me what to do
u can't expect me to cater to your anal retentive crap
u know exactly what I mean when I use "u" instead of "you"
u would be better off using ure time to go fix crooked paintings, than trying to get me to change what I do, for your benefit.