Can we make a Single Player version of SWTOR before than? Or KOTOR 3 using SWTOR assests?Johnny Novgorod said:
I saw Solo and I have opinions.
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Oh, I don't think that's it - the MCU is ten years old, that's enough for people to grow up from kids into teens, and teens into adults.Casual Shinji said:
No, the reason the MCU fanbase isn't cantankerous is, well, what is there to get upset about? As in, almost every MCU film more or less follows the same formula, with the same tone, and the...well, same everything. It's popcorn. You can get sick of eating popcorn, but if you know you're going to get popcorn, you can't get angry about it, in the knowledge that popcorn is all you're ever going to get. The only time I remember any sort of controversy in the MCU is Iron Man 3 over the Mandarin. IM3 is actually one of my favorite MCU films, but apparently most of the fanbase hate it because the film didn't deliver what they wanted. Compare that to later MCU films like Thor: Ragnarok. Yes, it's different from the previous Thor films, but it's different only by virtue of aping the tone of Guardians/Avengers.
Now, Star Wars is arguably popcorn as well, but it's popcorn that has been willing to try different flavours. Compare the OT to the PT. Consider Last Jedi. Consider how immediately after Last Jedi how we go to Solo, which is a completely different film. The MCU doesn't do that. It's happy to be safe, because being safe means being uncontroversial. Being uncontroversial keeps the fans happy and more importantly, the money flowing.
You didn't like the Wampa run. Its meant to show Luke getting better at Jeding! Sometimes I wonder how the originals would do if they were released today, particularly under the current level of internet scrutiny. I usually come up with - not good.trunkage said:
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I actually had the recent thought that a lot of movies that are considered classics like Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction would be much less well received if they had been released (largely unchanged) today.
Movie audiences have changed relatively recently. They seem less willing to sit through anything other than fast paced, adrenaline-fueled popcorn flicks filled with action set-pieces and fairly simple and bland characters that follow a basic formula. Slow burns, character-driven dramas and introspective films immediately get label either boring or trash.
Maybe this was always the case and the internet just let everyone voice their complaints far more loudly but I don't think so.
Yeah, but Star Wars is like 30 years old. It's also the quintessential geek franchise. And the MCU might be very samey, but the pre-MCU Marvel movies weren't, and you don't see those being regurgitated in video essays adnauseum.Hawki said:
I can't really think of any other geek property that has nerds get this fucking spikey. Not even Star Trek. Add to that the current 'SJW's are ruining our fun' hysteria and you have a recipe for endless nerd vomitous. I sure can't wait for Episode 9 and the accompanying videos upon videos upon videos about how it's bad/a betrayal/misunderstood/SJW/Mary Sue.
I'm actually glad I'm not a Star Wars fan. Can you imagine being one in the current climate? Yeesh.
Yeah, probably. Star Wars has had contention in its fanbase since at least the prequels, if not earlier, to the extent that we had the RLM reviews. Now combine the fan divisions with 2010s platforms and the current socio-political climate and...yeah.Casual Shinji said:
I've never really been overly invested in Star Wars when compared to other medias, but having seen the crap that comes from fan vitriol, I know better than to wade into the current cesspool.
I saw Solo last week and I thought it was pretty good! It's not like Academy Award winning material, but it was two hours of a fun time. I felt the cast all did a good job with their characters, and while not in any way a young Harrison Ford, I felt Ehrenreich was able to capture the character of a young Han Solo, which is the more important aspect in this film. Glover nailed it as Lando.
I know someone mentioned it in another thread, but I'm shocked how little I see the outcry that Han is a Gary Stu in this film. He's worse than Rey is and that outcry always pops up in criticism of TFA/TLJ. From what we see he's pretty much a street urchin involved with some Fagin-like crime ring, yet he's a crack shot, an ace pilot, speaks Wookiee for some damn reason, is able to recognize the impostor Imperial officer when no one else does, excellent gambler who only loses when someone cheats, etc. I mean, nearly everything he did worked out perfectly, and that which didn't still ultimately resolved in his favor! I get it though, he's the hero of the film, that's how these things go, but frankly I'm not surprised I didn't hear any outrage. Han is a man, after all, not a woman.
I'm glad I'm far removed from the fan vitriol (as Hawki put it above), and can just enjoy the movies that I find enjoyable and not give a damn that a bunch of people I've never met and will likely never meet don't like them and want to be outraged about it.
I know someone mentioned it in another thread, but I'm shocked how little I see the outcry that Han is a Gary Stu in this film. He's worse than Rey is and that outcry always pops up in criticism of TFA/TLJ. From what we see he's pretty much a street urchin involved with some Fagin-like crime ring, yet he's a crack shot, an ace pilot, speaks Wookiee for some damn reason, is able to recognize the impostor Imperial officer when no one else does, excellent gambler who only loses when someone cheats, etc. I mean, nearly everything he did worked out perfectly, and that which didn't still ultimately resolved in his favor! I get it though, he's the hero of the film, that's how these things go, but frankly I'm not surprised I didn't hear any outrage. Han is a man, after all, not a woman.
I'm glad I'm far removed from the fan vitriol (as Hawki put it above), and can just enjoy the movies that I find enjoyable and not give a damn that a bunch of people I've never met and will likely never meet don't like them and want to be outraged about it.
More like 40 (41 to be precise)!Casual Shinji said:
Force Awakens was a bad film. Last Jedi was actually awful, so much so that I checked out of Star Wars once the credits were rolling. I'm not spending money on tickets to see more of what they've turned Star Wars into. I can honestly and without a hint of irony say that I liked it before it was cool, and the prequel trilogy really made it hard to continue doing so. It did make it mainstream however. I enjoyed the books, comics and games up until a few years ago.
Star Wars isn't for me anymore. I'm not sure who it's for to be honest....kids I presume. But where the original trilogy were actually good films, these are awful as films and awful as Star Wars films as well. If you enjoy it, power to you. Last Jedi was so awful in every way I think the franchise really is suffering as a result.
Star Wars isn't for me anymore. I'm not sure who it's for to be honest....kids I presume. But where the original trilogy were actually good films, these are awful as films and awful as Star Wars films as well. If you enjoy it, power to you. Last Jedi was so awful in every way I think the franchise really is suffering as a result.
Hawki said:
Hell, I loved Force Awakens and got me to like the franchise again. I do acknowledge the flaws, but I still really enjoyed it. Now its hard to get excited for anything Star Wars these days because its just gonna be the same fan vitriol in every corner or the fact that I can't go one day on Youtube without it giving me video links to "Why The Last Jedi Ruined Star Wars!" or "Boycott Soylo!"
*sighs*
Samtemdo8 said:
I thought the Han/Leia stuff was alright though I think it got more interesting around Bespin.
Yeah, I can agree with you about the beginning. When I was a kid, I kept phasing out until the AT-AT walkers arrived and then got my attention right away.
How did you get to this reality, man from a universe where Star Wars was, at some point, not mainstream?KingsGambit said:
Solo was a hecking good ride. Like, I went 8nto it thinking "there is no need for a Solo prequel", and I left thinking "there was no need for a Solo prequel", and I'd still pay money to see it again.COMaestro said:I saw Solo last week and I thought it was pretty good! It's not like Academy Award winning material, but it was two hours of a fun time. I felt the cast all did a good job with their characters, and while not in any way a young Harrison Ford, I felt Ehrenreich was able to capture the character of a young Han Solo, which is the more important aspect in this film. Glover nailed it as Lando.
I know someone mentioned it in another thread, but I'm shocked how little I see the outcry that Han is a Gary Stu in this film. He's worse than Rey is and that outcry always pops up in criticism of TFA/TLJ. From what we see he's pretty much a street urchin involved with some Fagin-like crime ring, yet he's a crack shot, an ace pilot, speaks Wookiee for some damn reason, is able to recognize the impostor Imperial officer when no one else does, excellent gambler who only loses when someone cheats, etc. I mean, nearly everything he did worked out perfectly, and that which didn't still ultimately resolved in his favor! I get it though, he's the hero of the film, that's how these things go, but frankly I'm not surprised I didn't hear any outrage. Han is a man, after all, not a woman.
I'm glad I'm far removed from the fan vitriol (as Hawki put it above), and can just enjoy the movies that I find enjoyable and not give a damn that a bunch of people I've never met and will likely never meet don't like them and want to be outraged about it.
It's an entirely unnecessary movie. And it's great fun. The characters are fun, the action is good, it nails desperate military recruiters taking every warm body, Donald Glover is fic-kin with Lando Calrissian, it's got some really unexpected tie ins to the cartoons, and it even adds content and subtext to lines of dialogue in the original trilogy.
Loved it.
Slow-burn, introspective character dramas don't gain anything by watching them in a movie theater instead of at home. I mean, I like slow-burn, introspective character dramas, but I'm not buying a ten dollar ticket and five dollar soda for it.twistedmic said:
It has its set pieces, but it's about desperate poor people and gangs, so...MrCalavera said:
Well, not no one. I thought L3 was a delight and was sad to see her go. Then again, damn near everybody dies because it's a gangster movie with laser pistols.MrCalavera said:
But, you're gonna get the anti-SJWs who're theoretically boycotting the movie taking their talking points from YouTubers who're telling them to boycott the movie and probably hadn't seen it themselves, and you're gonna get some people who're mad that her legit grievances aren't being taken seriously by in-universe characters that just lived through a droid vs clone war.
Um, really? The recruiter seems pretty nochelant. Like, you could argue that he doesn't properly vet Han (he doesn't), but he's overly blase about it. And the Empire's never shown to be lacking manpower. If anything, given how poorly equipped Han and co. are when compared to stormtroopers, it seems they have bodies to spare.altnameJag said:
Before 1997, if you wanted Star Wars books, comics or merchandise and lived in London, there was ONE single place you could go for it. Forbidden Planet on Tottenham Ct Rd was the only place where anything Star Wars related could be found, with the odd magazine or comic in newsagents. Getting to the shop, the star wars stuff was in a bottom shelf in the corner covered in dust, not far from Planet of the Apes, Lost in Space and other forgotten, cult sci fi.altnameJag said:
Then Episode 1 happened, and despite being pretty bad launched Star Wars into the mainstream. I remember in 1995ish going to a special showing of Episodes 4-6 in a single day. It was at a niche cinema, all proceeds had to go to charity and we had Dave Prowse, Anthony Daniels and Warwick Davis visiting. It was a collection of geeks like myself who knew all the lore and travelled miles to watch it. The first time I'd been able to see the original trilogy on the big screen.
I don't know how Star Wars became the cultural phenomenon it did, but I assure that as a massive fan and lore geek (I have all the EU books up until the end of NJO and most of the comic books), it didn't used to be cool. It was a cult, niche thing up until the prequel trilogy, then the ongoing cartoons, lego and kids toys kept it in the popular consciousness. I couldn't say exactly why or how, but it did go from niche to the biggest phenomenon in the west.
I like comparing Solo to that prequel to The Thing from 2011.
Basically, they took all the minor details and references from the original and made an entire movie out of it.
Solo: "You see that blaster that Han has? We need to find out how he got it."
The Thing (2011): "You see that axe in the door at the Norwegian camp? We need to find out how it got there."
Both movies are nostalgia oriented cash grabs and I'm glad they failed at the box office.
Basically, they took all the minor details and references from the original and made an entire movie out of it.
Solo: "You see that blaster that Han has? We need to find out how he got it."
The Thing (2011): "You see that axe in the door at the Norwegian camp? We need to find out how it got there."
Both movies are nostalgia oriented cash grabs and I'm glad they failed at the box office.
Star Wars was just a cult, niche thing that damn near everybody knew the major plot points to through cultural osmosis.KingsGambit said:
The spin off merchandise I'll grant being niche. Star Wars never was.