I think I hate to talk about music more than anything else.

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

I didn't. I got the impression that you can't accept it when people do not share your tastes. Not you accepting other peoples tastes.

I can't even fathom how you even came remotely close to that conclusion, but okay.

I'd recommend reading the OP again, but without your cynical view of people.

You considering whether or not to refuse to talk about music with people just because their tastes don't match yours and they're not as interested in music as you. To me that seems kinda childish.

And when you talk about music to your friends even if they if they seem disinterested you continue to talk about how brilliant this song is and how much you love it regardless of how they feel. Which to me comes off a little inconsiderate and selfish.

And you missed the mark again. By far. You've missed it by so much, actually, that I'm not even sure spoon-feeding you the message in the OP would even be a good use of time, since you seem to only read things and take the least reasonable and most cynical view you can come up with.

 

[A_Parked_Car]

I don't mind talking about music, as long as I'm not talking to somebody that is ignorant of it. I legitimately like music from almost every genre, from rap, to dubstep, to country, to metalcore. Therefore, I don't have the issue of insulting another person's genre and not calling it 'music'. Every genre has its share of garbage songs and artists, but they also all have their gems. You can learn a lot about somebody when you talk music with them.

 

[ThisGuyLikesNoTacos]

I agree with OP. My friend and I tend to occasionally send each other links to music we like, and end up not liking it as much as the other. Yeah, yeah, "people have different tastes" and all that, but it's still disappointing to hear him call my music, which I find to be the best music ever, only "okay" and vice versa.

It's a damn shame especially when our opinions on video games are almost identical as well. No, I'm serious, their identical (though I'm not going to put up examples because laziness).

But music? Hell, I'm not even sure what kind of metal he listens to, because I don't really like it myself. Can't win 'em all I suppose.

 

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

I agree with OP. My friend and I tend to occasionally send each other links to music we like, and end up not liking it as much as the other. Yeah, yeah, "people have different tastes" and all that, but it's still disappointing to hear him call my music, which I find to be the best music ever, only "okay" and vice versa.

It's a damn shame especially when our opinions on video games are almost identical as well. No, I'm serious, their identical (though I'm not going to put up examples because laziness).

But music? Hell, I'm not even sure what kind of metal he listens to, because I don't really like it myself. Can't win 'em all I suppose.

Yeah. I think one of the worst parts is having to tell someone who clearly likes the song that they're trying to show you that their song is only "okay".

Like I wish I liked it and we could rave about the same songs, but I feel like I'm being a buzzkill. x_x

 

[EmperorSubcutaneous]

It's about the same for me. I have really strange taste in music (my favorite kind is anything folk-influenced coming from Scandinavia, as long as it doesn't have metal vocals, but world-folk-anything is awesome). This has always been the case, but people often accuse me of being a hipster. Which annoys me. I'm not pretending to like it so I can be special, I actually like it and always have.

I love most instruments that are usually considered terrible (like bagpipes, banjos, and didgeridoos), and the only instrument I dislike is the saxophone; I can handle it, just in small doses. I also prefer music that is either instrumental or not in English, because I have trouble making out the lyrics in most songs and so I'd rather just not bother. I like not being distracted with comprehension. (And I was a linguistics major, so I geek out over languages anyway.)

In high school, when I tried sharing my music with people they would just turn it off and say "You need to listen to real music," like we were in a movie and they were going to convert me to being hip or something.

Then in college people totally got into the music I liked, but only because they were all high. I don't do drugs, but people assume that you have to be high to like "abnormal" music (or to make it...poor Frank Zappa). Or surreal films and games for that matter, which I also enjoy. It's like it's only acceptable to have fringe interests if you're on some kind of mind-altering substance. So that annoys me too.

So yeah, normally I keep quiet about the music I like because it's so rare to find someone who feels the same way. I just get sick of being considered a hipster or a stoner.

However, my current SO was a music major, so we share music all the time. I like being introduced to bizarre avant garde music, and I return the favor with world folk. And then sometimes our tastes overlap (Secret Chiefs 3!) and I am very happy.

 

[Vigormortis]

ummm...hmmm

I enjoy talking about music as long as I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

and no, dubstep,techno and house are not all the same thing

Oh Christ...the number of times I've had to deal with that...

I see it all the damn time. Someone doesn't like a particular genre of music and, because of this, takes upon themselves to lament on and on about how that genre is "really music".

It's also part of why I've never had much success, like the OP, with talking about music with people. The moment I bring up a song from a genre or artist they don't like, it's as if a kill-switch has been flipped on the conversation. It often ends right then and there with the other parties assuming my taste in music is bad and misguided.

It's infuriating.

I used to have this problem but I found a friend who shared many of my tastes in music, as well as being being musically literate. The best advice I can give is to go and test the waters a bit. Try to find someone among your friends who enjoys similar music to you. A great segway to that is to ask for some musical recommendations from them. It gives you a good insight into what they might listen to. When you find someone who does reciprocate beyond a basic "yeah it's good" level, strengthen that bond. It may take a while, but when you do find that person it will be worth it, trust me on that.

Sad to say, I've yet to meet many (if any) people like that yet. In so far as ones I've held conversations with. Most times, no matter how much I attempt to strike up a conversation on a song or music in general, I'm met with, "Yeah. It's good." or "Yeah, that's interesting.".

Which is fine if I'm asking someones opinion on a song, but to get that kind of response when discussing music as a whole or the other persons favorite songs?

It gets tedious after a while. Not to mention aggravating. Especially when the people I'm conversing with 'claim' to be music lovers or audiophiles.

If you claim to be a music lover, and passively (condescendingly) dismiss conversations on the topic, then you're lying. You are NOT passionate about music.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Yeah I get this problem. I had to see my favourite band of all time play live last month alone cos no one I'm friends with even knew who they were. And most don't know who my other favourite artists are. It's frustrating cos of how important the music is to me, the incredible depth I find in it and I hate not being able to share that with people. If anything I'm disappointed they can't find the same things in the music that have changed my life.

ummm...hmmm

I enjoy talking about music as long as I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

and no, dubstep,techno and house are not all the same thing

amen

And then there?s the dreaded question: ?So, what kind of music do you like??

Ugh.

And it?s enough to broadly say, ?I like different genres?you know, a bit of drum & bass, a bit of rock??, or ?I like anything that sounds good??you?ve got to be a ?rock fanatic?, like my wannabe rock-star friend. One of those ?guys?. Or you have to have a favourite band, like Metallica or something. So more often than not, I use the former phrase, and just throw out a couple of musicians or bands that I like a lot, such as Michael Jackson, or Florence and the Machine.

haha I feel a little ashamed cos I used to be like this. I used to only listen to rock, mostly metal. I hated it when people said they listened to a variety of genres, it just bugged me. Now I'm one of those people.

I think what annoyed me about it was actually that in having their taste spread across several genres, they didn't really know much about the music they listened to, its history, characteristics, its bands, etc. So actually talking about the music would itself have been difficult. I hate not knowing about the style of music I listen to.

So my advice to you is to try and broaden your tastes somewhat, then you might find common musical ground with other people. I used to be one of those annoying people who listened to metal to the exclusion of all else, which is a really bad thing to do, as you miss out on so much good music.

See, I did the same thing as you. But I still have the problem cos most of the music I like isn't very well known. My favourite "well known" artists are probably The Weeknd and Bon Iver and even then most of my friends don't often know who they are.

ummm...hmmm

I enjoy talking about music as long as I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

and no, dubstep,techno and house are not all the same thing

Right!? Just because you seriously don't like a genre, doesn't mean it no longer counts as music. I fucking hated boy bands during the late 90s and early (Like...really early) 2000s. But they are still music. But I just manned the fuck up and didn't listen to them as much as possible.

Yeah you're just agreeing with her there

I enjoy talking about music as long as I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

Dubstep is most certainly music, it's just not very good

oh man you have asked for it


probably one of the absolute best genres of music when done correctly and well.

I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

Actually, you could make a pretty convincing argument for Dubstep not being music. Especially since you have previously deferred to the knowledge of theoriticians

No you couldn't. Otherwise you could argue any type of music isn't music.
I refer you to the links I posted above. If you don't think those are music I don't know what you could say truly is

 

[babinro]

To me, a music conversation should just be limited to answering what bands you like when asked and recommending music in a similar genre to someone who might be interested. Everyone has such personal tastes and there's no point in trying to change their minds or convince them why you like something.

I also find that the more I know about the artist behind the music, the less I enjoy the songs.
Blink 182 is my 2nd favorite band of all-time and yet their on stage personality is reprehensible to me. The more I know about the band, the more I think about some of their lyrics, the less I'd enjoy the actual music.

I want to enjoy music on an emotional level ONLY.
I don't want to know that the song which makes me happy is actually about a rapist who emotionally crippled a family and ultimately led to their daughter's suicide.

 

[AnarchistFish]

xD

Did someone really just trot out the 'best genre' statement?

Not saying the music is bad, but there's no such thing as the 'best' genre or genres, if for no other reasons than taste is subjective, and what is 'best' is subjective.

It can convey an extremely wide array of moods and feelings. At it's best, I haven't heard much else that can match it.

Also you have to understand that people state things as facts when of course they're talking about their opinion, cos saying "I think" or "imo" after every fucking statement is pointless and tedious if it's obvious you're talking about taste.

 

[The Funslinger]

ummm...hmmm

I enjoy talking about music as long as I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

and no, dubstep,techno and house are not all the same thing

I don't listen to either one, as personally they make me angry[footnote]But, each to their own and such[/footnote] but isn't the difference between dubstep and techno that techno is computer generated sounds, while dubstep is using a computer to alter and warp pre-existing sounds?

If I have that right, that's a pretty clear-cut difference to me.

OT: I'm surrounded by intensely white wannabe gangsters, and people who think throwaway pop lyrics are so deep.

Clogging up my Facebook feed... ¬_¬

 

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

I still find best genre really silly, because it's, by definition, an inaccurate statement.

The closest I would care to venture in that direction is 'x genre has a lot of talented, creative musicians'.

I mean, can someone honestly tell me there's a fair way to compare a six and a hour drone/ambient song (yes, it does exist) with a 30 second grindcore song with a six minute rap song with 3 minute Korean pop song?

I think some genres encourage creativity and technical prowess more than others, but to say group of x is 'better' than group of y just comes across as silly.

/rant

Sorry, that tends to irritate me. Admittedly, because I've encountered more than a few people who are very close-minded about music, and that tends to be their go-to argument.

I don't think he's using it as an argument for anything. I just thinks he means that out of all music genres that he has listened to, so far dubstep has the most impact on him.

 

[RubyT]

"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA this is awesome! I'm going to be in an awesome mood for the rest of the day! Life is awesome! The composition of the instruments are genius! The timing is brilliant! The texture is awesome! Bro, you've gotta listen to this!"

*sends link over skype*

*friend listens for a bit*

"Yeah, man, it's pretty good."

...

It's at this point where I can tell they don't really care at all and that I'm wasting my time. They've probably even stopped listening to it after 30 seconds or so. Sometimes I go on about it anyway because I'm just in that great of a mood, but at the end of the day, it kind of bugs me how when it comes to music, I can't relate to anyone.

One thing that annoys me is people sending me links to music - or worse: make me listen to music in their presence - and then kind of expect me to like it.

YES rap and dubstep are music

Hm, well they do feature other people's music...

 

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

One thing that annoys me is people sending me links to music - or worse: make me listen to music in their presence - and then kind of expect me to like it.

Generally when I share music, I'm trying to brighten someone else's day. Like the song made me really happy, so I want to share the happiness.

And if the person does find the music as engaging as I do, then we'll have some common ground in music that we can both talk about and listen to.

I think I can understand why you find it annoying, though.

 

[Vault101]

I don't listen to either one, as personally they make me angry[footnote]But, each to their own and such[/footnote] but isn't the difference between dubstep and techno that techno is computer generated sounds, while dubstep is using a computer to alter and warp pre-existing sounds?

they are both different genres under electronic music since you can very clearly hear the difference in style

like rock and punk

as for the actual production i don't know but I'm pretty certain in most cases its all electroniclaly produced anyway

 

[AnarchistFish]

ummm...hmmm

I enjoy talking about music as long as I don't have to explain to people for the 100th fucking time YES rap and dubstep are music

and no, dubstep,techno and house are not all the same thing

I don't listen to either one, as personally they make me angry[footnote]But, each to their own and such[/footnote] but isn't the difference between dubstep and techno that techno is computer generated sounds, while dubstep is using a computer to alter and warp pre-existing sounds?

Nope, not at all...

They're different styles of electronic music. Techno revolves around repeated musical motifs and usually has quite a structured, regular 4/4 beat. Whereas dubstep is derived from dub and 2 step garage. It contains jittery drum rhythms and often a deep rumbling bass. But only the former is something you'll be sure find throughout dubstep. It usually aims for quite a tense, dark atmosphere although it varies.

Why do they make you angry?

 

[Vault101]

My brain sees music sort of in the same way that it sees movies. If a movie has too many cliches in it or is extremely predictable, I'll get really bored of it really fast.

there are 4 chords which are pretty much all popular music
you can then tell peopel to shtu up when they say nothing is original XD...we are drawn to those certain sounds, I get that with a lot of rock and well loved songs....its just boring
but yeah, I'm pretty much the same as you said, I mean there are plenty of songs I like that I would call "generic" such as

[spoiler/]
I swear to god I can hear the 4 chords in "into the black"...the humbling river by pucifer feels a bit less generic to me but then I'm not a musical expert[/spoiler]

 

[Vault101]

Oh surely you jest. How can this be music?

.

hmmmm

crass, abrasive, over produced,typical gangsta rap fare...the rap is tight, beat and flow is catchy as hell and there's a certian level of self awareness...and its free. I'm sold!