I Think I Know Exactly Why People Hate Midi-chlorians

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TheDrunkNinja

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Milky_Fresh said:
Have you had a look at that thread "Dear Escapists, I Fucked Up" going around at the moment? You want some opportunities, read through the comments in that. Seems to have brought out the worst in this website.
Three barely sarcastic comments result in a hostility from the original poster, which then results into the situation we have now. From the very beginning, this was not worth the defending and attacking that has been going on for all 60-something posts. This is not even close to the same position as the "Dear Escapists, I Fucked Up" thread.

zHellas said:
I don't give a flying fuck that I'm apparently '10 years late' or so.

10 years ago I was 5. And 5 years ago, I was 10. So I didn't fucking care at the time, nor was I into computers as I am now.
That is no where near necessary for the handful of barely hostile comments that you've been getting. Such a response would be understandable in a case of real trolling, but as far as I've read, the initial attacks that were made were done in your "defense". Behavior like that is completely unnecessary.
 

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Milky_Fresh said:
Well, trolls only ever dare to strike at night on the Escapist, thats when most of the mods are away. (Some trolls on this site are much more subtle, pretending to use logic to "set you straight") Anyway, you know what they say about mice when the cat is away.
 

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I'll make a serious post contributing directly to the discussion instead of pretending that the nature of the thread as a thread has any standing in relevancy, and isn't a total waste of writing time. People on the forum who talk about this stuff all the time: try clicking on a different thread. Really. You'll feel better.

Midichlorians were perhaps an insult to the people who had watched the films from the context of their own religious beliefs. The Force was just ambiguous enough to have any number of sources. When it got turned into a scientifically verified thing, this ripped out any non-specific side of it.

This meant that all the crazy people who thought the Force was something they'd discovered (yes, they exist, and there are an oddly large number of them), suddenly had to face reality that it was an entirely in-universe thing and was not a reference to Yahweh, Allah, Brahma or Zeus. It also hit the enthusiasm of those who wanted it to be a specific reference to their own ideal of goodness in the tail.

It was like the power levels in Dragonball - instantly, the series sucks when you learn of this because you know who'll win - whoever has the highest midichlorian count. It removes an element of chaos and randomness within a nevertheless brilliant authorial scheme and reduces the plot to basic cause (great power) and effect (great victory).

Basically, the Force was great while people could attribute it to anything, that could not be measured and was essentially "fate" in the story.
 

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The thing I love about this is that sheer irony of the nerdRAGE over the years, these are SCI-FI geeks who got angry when someone tried to make a reasonable (ok... bad) "scientific" explaination of what had been previously been only described as MAGIC.

It's like Conan fans raging at the comic/book/movie creators for all the cults and wizards and shit because they want moar mechs in their fantasy.

(I had an adventure while typing this, to discover the minor wonderful details of 404)
 

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I always assumed that the midichlorians were simply attracted to a high-force person, like mosquitos are attracted to redheads.

So, not that they 'cause' Force strength (otherwise they'd be mainlining them like junkietown), but that they are a convenient 'ruler' to measure force strength/potential.

EDIT: Oops... double post!
 

Bealzibob

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Double post cause the world couldn't contain the awesome (Read: Being dropped on head as a child) of my post.
 

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Those things don't really exist. Jinn was tired of this little annoying kid asking him silly questions so, being the good adult who didn't want to tell the kid to shut up and crush his spirit but also wanted to be left alone, he came up with that word that I refuse to say (or type). Think about it. Has ANY other Jedi or Sith ever mentioned them? No. The only reason Obi and Yoda provided that "blood test" was because they wanted to indulge the annoying kid incase he came back wanting proof. No where else is it mentioned.

And if you do find them somewhere else, I have two things to say: You have way too much free time if you're looking for this, and

LA LA LA LA LA I'm not LISTENING LA LA LA LA LA!!!! (Denial is a happy place)
 

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kahlzun said:
I always assumed that the midichlorians were simply attracted to a high-force person, like mosquitos are attracted to redheads.

So, not that they 'cause' Force strength (otherwise they'd be mainlining them like junkietown), but that they are a convenient 'ruler' to measure force strength/potential.
I always thought this too, since if midochlorians made someone strong in the force then a person could develop force abilities from a blood transfusion and i don't recall that happening in any of the star wars lore
 

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Eldritch Warlord said:
In my opinion saying that "midi-chlorians did it" is no more a scientific or even psuedo-scientific explanation than "a wizard did it".

Really all midi-chlorians provide is a means to measure Force sensitivity (essential to Episode I's plot remember) and a convenient way to hand-wave Force cancellation technology and the Yuuzhang Vong being completely "Force dead".
Yeah, exactly. They're "Tiny magical blood fairies" and nothing more.
 

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I always wondered about midichlorians ... if they are organisms like bacterium, why don't they culture them, produce them, and inject them into people to make insta-jedis?
 
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The reason that midchlorians "ruined" the Force is because the Force is supposed to represent god, a guiding spiritual force that connects man-kind. And by having some sort of bacteria that makes the force "stronger" within you is like saying that some people are biologically closer to god.

I am not religious, this is just what I took from the movies.
 

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zHellas said:
EDIT: I don't give a flying fuck that I'm apparently '10 years late' or so.

10 years ago I was 5. And 5 years ago, I was 10. So I didn't fucking care at the time, nor was I into computers as I am now.
Now that it's known you're 15, it's also clear why you're overreacting about what other people on the internet say.
 

Quorothorn

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Silva said:
...It was like the power levels in Dragonball - instantly, the series sucks when you learn of this because you know who'll win - whoever has the highest midichlorian count. It removes an element of chaos and randomness within a nevertheless brilliant authorial scheme and reduces the plot to basic cause (great power) and effect (great victory).

Basically, the Force was great while people could attribute it to anything, that could not be measured and was essentially "fate" in the story.
Actually, a higher midi-chlorian count is not an auto-win: Obi-Wan beat Anakin, remember? A very good post, Silva, but that particular bit is not completely accurate.
 

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Quorothorn said:
Silva said:
...It was like the power levels in Dragonball - instantly, the series sucks when you learn of this because you know who'll win - whoever has the highest midichlorian count. It removes an element of chaos and randomness within a nevertheless brilliant authorial scheme and reduces the plot to basic cause (great power) and effect (great victory).

Basically, the Force was great while people could attribute it to anything, that could not be measured and was essentially "fate" in the story.
Actually, a higher midi-chlorian count is not an auto-win: Obi-Wan beat Anakin, remember? A very good post, Silva, but that particular bit is not completely accurate.
Oh, I do recall that, but I was referring to the impression the midichlorian idea makes on the audience, not the truth of the actual lore. They would EXPECT it to always be a win from the point it was mentioned, even if it wasn't an auto-win in the story.

And thank you for the compliment. I do my best.
 

Quorothorn

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Silva said:
Quorothorn said:
Silva said:
...It was like the power levels in Dragonball - instantly, the series sucks when you learn of this because you know who'll win - whoever has the highest midichlorian count. It removes an element of chaos and randomness within a nevertheless brilliant authorial scheme and reduces the plot to basic cause (great power) and effect (great victory).

Basically, the Force was great while people could attribute it to anything, that could not be measured and was essentially "fate" in the story.
Actually, a higher midi-chlorian count is not an auto-win: Obi-Wan beat Anakin, remember? A very good post, Silva, but that particular bit is not completely accurate.
Oh, I do recall that, but I was referring to the impression the midichlorian idea makes on the audience, not the truth of the actual lore. They would EXPECT it to always be a win from the point it was mentioned, even if it wasn't an auto-win in the story.

And thank you for the compliment. I do my best.
Ah, that makes more sense. My mistake on that point.

...So I guess it's an even better post by you now, lol.
 

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Bealzibob said:
It's like Conan fans raging at the comic/book/movie creators for all the cults and wizards and shit because they want moar mechs in their fantasy.
I have never heard of a Conan fan raging at comic/book/movie creators for cults and wizards because they want more mechs. Seriously, never. Where the hell did you hear that?