I think I've just been sold into slavery.

[Feoh]

No worries then, you're paying a premium for an idiot :3

A top tax rate cut was not necessary... at all...

You can't get people back into gainful employment when people don't have money to fund demand that creates investment opportunities, it's simply impossible and giving to a few rich people who already spend all the money they will spend isn't going to fund any more demand.

Yes It's very easy to be a backseat politician and call MP's idiots but I certainly couldn't do what they do or begin to understand all of the complex issues they have to operate under. I mean we're doing better than the vast amount of europe and we've retained our triple A credit status.

The top rate tax move didn't give anything to the super rich it just didn't take anything more away, and let me tell you from working in chelsea those people are tighter than a ducks arse and they would happily move themselves and their operations from the UK to where ever if they thought it would save them some cash. Besides it was a fools tax anyway as the people who it would have really made any money out of employ accountants whose job it is to avoid paying any tax at all if possible.

Also if you notice the government has been making real efforts to reduce taxes on small business and offer government sponsered loans to enable them to employ people.

 

[Shivarage]

I agree certain institutions and wealthy individuals that, along with the government, have been guilty of poor decision making. At some point people need to move on and take personal responsibility though. The politics of envy is only going to cause things to get worse.

If people would put as much effort into bettering their own personal situations as they put into screaming from the rooftops about the sins of "the rich" they'd probably be a whole lot better off. If "the rich" are setting a poor example then use that as motivation to be better than they are not an excuse to be just as bad.

Finger pointing isn't going to fix anything in either the big picture or the small one. Again there comes a point when people need to move on and focus on themselves. If they don't really do hate "the rich" so much that's fine, awesome, let them go get a job from a poor person.

You didn't answer a single question, you in fact agreed with me and ended with a suggestion which I will answer with this - yes, I want to get a job from a poor person, just as every job inevitably is funded by a poor person because as soon as a poor person gets some money, they SPEND IT and that keeps the economy going!

A rich person will never fund jobs because they don't pay more than a poor person, an investment is only a temporary payment for poor people to cover plus a profit margin.

I didn't mention envy nor did I imply I was being envious. when poor people fail at their jobs they don't get paid, when rich people fail then they turn socialist and make poor people cover their costs for them, obviously the politics of greed has caused you to be bitter and spiteful toward the dirty underclass who don't deserve your "hard earned" money!

Envy and Gree mean nothing anymore, what the intelligent of us want is for the machine to work for everyone but alas, the upper class know what's best for them and that is poverty for the working, underfunded education for the working class kids, an oversupply of graduates once poor people gained their opportunity to go to university, an oversupply of labour to decrease wages for the working and a political system that keeps the illusion of choice alive.

Take a look around you, when was the last time you heard education being praised by the media? when was the last time people actually got the "change" they voted for? how many political ideologies exist and can be voted for? how many people got their first job through hard work and talent compared to connections? how many brainwashed sheep bleat "socialism baad, capitalism good" while the bankers applied the socialist idea to their failures?

food for thought...

 

[Thyunda]

How on earth did the poor cause the world economy to crash???

How on earth did 'the rich' cause the world economy to crash? And let me tell you, the silly scapegoating of 'they gambled with loans' is not a correct answer.

Heck, the left wing blame game villifying 'the rich' is possibly even more stupid than the American 'the doles did it' blame game.

Besides, you also want high returns on money you put aside, low rent on any loans, a house to live in, you want what everybody else wants. And because that was being chased a little too vigorously with too little regulations, it crashed in the US and made the normal crisis that was to be expected around that time worse.

It's a lovely idea - capitalism. If you work hard you get to be one of the super-rich. Well it's a lie. It's actual bollocks. It's not what you know, it's who you know. The fastest way out of unemployment is to be given a hand out. The only way to the upper class is to be taken up there. You can't get there alone. It just does not work anymore. The population isn't helping, either. There is simply not enough work to go around.

This, plus drifting around. You're an artist I take it?

Technically a writer - but I can't write when I haven't got anything to pay the bills. So actually I just drift searching for someplace more fertile than my hometown. And not even proper drifting. Only drifted between two cities while scouring both for work. To the Lincoln employers, I lived in an apartment on the wharf. To the Stoke-on-Trent employers I lived at my parents' house. So...yeah. I wish it could be something so romantic as a wandering writer, but it's really just an unemployed almost-20 year old struggling to find even a bloody cashier job in two different cities.

 

[Robert Ewing]

I see your predicament, it's absolutely hilarious the way the government deals with unemployed. They actually vow to help you find a job, but they do essentially no looking, or helping. They just make you attend bullshit and expensive courses on 'how to interact with people' and 'how to conduct yourself in the workplace'

Absolute waste of time, And I realllly disagree with this slave-ish work program.

 

[Shivarage]

Yes It's very easy to be a backseat politician and call MP's idiots but I certainly couldn't do what they do or begin to understand all of the complex issues they have to operate under. I mean we're doing better than the vast amount of europe and we've retained our triple A credit status.

The top rate tax move didn't give anything to the super rich it just didn't take anything more away, and let me tell you from working in chelsea those people are tighter than a ducks arse and they would happily move themselves and their operations from the UK to where ever if they thought it would save them some cash. Besides it was a fools tax anyway as the people who it would have really made any money out of employ accountants whose job it is to avoid paying any tax at all if possible.

Also if you notice the government has been making real efforts to reduce taxes on small business and offer government sponsered loans to enable them to employ people.

3 day working weeks and seemingly unlimited supply of money? I'd turn the world into a utopia for everybody

Why don't they just fuck right off then? because they know nobody else would take them because the demand that funds their businesses are HERE =P empty threat cause they clearly don't care enough about our country to pay tax toward it

just little handouts for good faith gestures. (and you think people's surviving money is a drain?)

 

[Shivarage]

How on earth did 'the rich' cause the world economy to crash? And let me tell you, the silly scapegoating of 'they gambled with loans' is not a correct answer.

Heck, the left wing blame game villifying 'the rich' is possibly even more stupid than the American 'the doles did it' blame game.

Besides, you also want high returns on money you put aside, low rent on any loans, a house to live in, you want what everybody else wants. And because that was being chased a little too vigorously with too little regulations, it crashed in the US and made the normal crisis that was to be expected around that time worse.

They didn't gamble with loans, they knew the loans weren't going to be paid back and guess who benefitted anyway?

I don't play left or right wing since I know dividing people helps nobody, I just want the system to WORK

yep, it was the bankers idea to lobby the government into relaxing the regulations so they could go wild and they also wanted the bailouts at the same time, logic is not their strong point because they are trained to hunt down, attack and claim any money for themselves no matter the consequences

 

[Bertylicious]

Unhand my avatar.

OT: And yeah. It's because there are so many legal hurdles in hiring disabled people. If anything happens to them, there's a major inquiry and the place has to shut temporarily. You can't ask them for overtime, you're subject to another inquiry if a customer so much as points out that the disabled guy hasn't been for his break yet.

No, you unhand MY avatar!

That criticism could be made about employing minorities or women though; a customer says he doesn't want to be served by a woman so if the Company acceeds to that request then they'd become liable under employment law. Rightly so too.

The hurdles, or perceived hurdles, are more practical. That people with disabilities will have lots of sickness absence. If an employer is worried about claims it is usually because they have weak procedures. From a social point of view the government is probably right to attempt to reverse that perception.

 

[Thyunda]

Unhand my avatar.

OT: And yeah. It's because there are so many legal hurdles in hiring disabled people. If anything happens to them, there's a major inquiry and the place has to shut temporarily. You can't ask them for overtime, you're subject to another inquiry if a customer so much as points out that the disabled guy hasn't been for his break yet.

No, you unhand MY avatar!

That criticism could be made about employing minorities or women though; a customer says he doesn't want to be served by a woman so if the Company acceeds to that request then they'd become liable under employment law. Rightly so too.

The hurdles, or perceived hurdles, are more practical. That people with disabilities will have lots of sickness absence. If an employer is worried about claims it is usually because they have weak procedures. From a social point of view the government is probably right to attempt to reverse that perception.

It's mainly due to the unreliability of eyewitness accounts and camaraderie between colleagues. A branch could do its utmost to look after its disabled employees and, if subject to an external inquiry, could still come across as kicking wheelchair-bound orphans down flights of stairs.

They didn't gamble with loans, they knew the loans weren't going to be paid back and guess who benefitted anyway?

Shows what stereotypes you hold against your scapegoats; one of the causes found was that the sellers themselves no longer could comprehend the financial products they were selling, and couldn't predict how it went.

Not to mention cross-market knowledge and the lack of it. Any urban geographer studying the US housing market in detail in 2005-2006 would've told you the US suburbs would collapse eventually. But real estate agents and mortgage lenders don't hire those, they hire financiallly trained people, who only look at the numbers because of their training. Those look at economic projectections, returns in case of foreclosure and then calculate what their risk is. Thus completely missing the spatial dimension that takes place outside of their field of knowledge.

By the way, do look at that video, it's really funny.

Technically a writer - but I can't write when I haven't got anything to pay the bills.

So, you knowingly choose a profession that you know or should've known is a guarantee for unemployment unless you're one of the few succes stories, being otherwise confined to unskilled work of which it's know to be the hardest possible type of work to find employment in and now you complain you can't find work in that line of work?

Sounds a lot like someone jumping into the sea and then complaining about getting wet to be honest.

Adorable. Did you read my part about experience in care and support work? Ooh, or the retail experience? Got a bit of a hard-on for the privileged there, my good man. Turns out, lad, there are actual problems in this world, and we're not just being whiny.

 

[Shivarage]

Shows what stereotypes you hold against your scapegoats; one of the causes found was that the sellers themselves no longer could comprehend the financial products they were selling, and couldn't predict how it went.

Not to mention cross-market knowledge and the lack of it. Any urban geographer studying the US housing market in detail in 2005-2006 would've told you the US suburbs would collapse eventually. But real estate agents and mortgage lenders don't hire those, they hire financiallly trained people, who only look at the numbers because of their training. Those look at economic projectections, returns in case of foreclosure and then calculate what their risk is. Thus completely missing the spatial dimension that takes place outside of their field of knowledge.

By the way, do look at that video, it's really funny.

I wasn't exactly there when it happened, I can only read second hand accounts so forgive me if my details may be a little off...

Technically a writer - but I can't write when I haven't got anything to pay the bills.

So, you knowingly choose a profession that you know or should've known is a guarantee for unemployment unless you're one of the few succes stories, being otherwise confined to unskilled work of which it's know to be the hardest possible type of work to find employment in and now you complain you can't find work in that line of work?

Sounds a lot like someone jumping into the sea and then complaining about getting wet to be honest.

To be fair, it's incredibly difficult in any field today so that means every profession is guarantee for unemployment... after all if nobody ever tried to write books then there would be no books left to read but they are still being written and sold so SOMEBODY must be writing them : /

 

[Feoh]

Yes It's very easy to be a backseat politician and call MP's idiots but I certainly couldn't do what they do or begin to understand all of the complex issues they have to operate under. I mean we're doing better than the vast amount of europe and we've retained our triple A credit status.

The top rate tax move didn't give anything to the super rich it just didn't take anything more away, and let me tell you from working in chelsea those people are tighter than a ducks arse and they would happily move themselves and their operations from the UK to where ever if they thought it would save them some cash. Besides it was a fools tax anyway as the people who it would have really made any money out of employ accountants whose job it is to avoid paying any tax at all if possible.

Also if you notice the government has been making real efforts to reduce taxes on small business and offer government sponsered loans to enable them to employ people.

3 day working weeks and seemingly unlimited supply of money? I'd turn the world into a utopia for everybody

Why don't they just fuck right off then? because they know nobody else would take them because the demand that funds their businesses are HERE =P empty threat cause they clearly don't care enough about our country to pay tax toward it

just little handouts for good faith gestures. (and you think people's surviving money is a drain?)

I have no idea where you're getting this 3 day working week and infinate money from? I work as a nurse a 37.5 hr week, on average studies have found MP's work between a 60 and 69 hr week so unless there working 24 hrs a day for those 3 days I'm not sure that a 3 day week is possible. You may be misunderstanding the fact they need to attend parliment for 3 days a week as the only time there working when infact they also have to work in their local consituities.

Oh and like I said its all very well to say you would turn the world into a utopia... but how would you do this... oh yeah thats right you have no idea outside of the trite blame those evil rich people and overthrow the government responses.

As for business taking their companies elsewhere its already happening India the gulf states and china are seeing many banking groups relocate due to their low taxes and relitivly low levels of regulation.

Look its obvious theres no way i'm going to be able to change your mind but could you at least not base your arguements on misinformation.

 

[Thyunda]

Shows what stereotypes you hold against your scapegoats; one of the causes found was that the sellers themselves no longer could comprehend the financial products they were selling, and couldn't predict how it went.

Not to mention cross-market knowledge and the lack of it. Any urban geographer studying the US housing market in detail in 2005-2006 would've told you the US suburbs would collapse eventually. But real estate agents and mortgage lenders don't hire those, they hire financiallly trained people, who only look at the numbers because of their training. Those look at economic projectections, returns in case of foreclosure and then calculate what their risk is. Thus completely missing the spatial dimension that takes place outside of their field of knowledge.

By the way, do look at that video, it's really funny.

I wasn't exactly there when it happened, I can only read second hand accounts so forgive me if my details may be a little off...

Technically a writer - but I can't write when I haven't got anything to pay the bills.

So, you knowingly choose a profession that you know or should've known is a guarantee for unemployment unless you're one of the few succes stories, being otherwise confined to unskilled work of which it's know to be the hardest possible type of work to find employment in and now you complain you can't find work in that line of work?

Sounds a lot like someone jumping into the sea and then complaining about getting wet to be honest.

To be fair, it's incredibly difficult in any field today so that means every profession is guarantee for unemployment... after all if nobody ever tried to write books then there would be no books left to read but they are still being written and sold so SOMEBODY must be writing them : /

Honestly I'm not exactly ambitious about that line, but I'm good at it and I enjoy it. But at the end of it, anything I make from writing will be second to what I make from actual work. Ooh, I sounded so bitchy then - writing's just so easy for me, it's like a hobby. Can't do it unless I'm content, though.
But, y'know, I'd be content to earn just enough to pay for my own place. Work does not have to be how you measure yourself as a person. No matter how much the older generation would like to persuade me of this.

 

[Xanthious]

You didn't answer a single question, you in fact agreed with me and ended with a suggestion which I will answer with this - yes, I want to get a job from a poor person, just as every job inevitably is funded by a poor person because as soon as a poor person gets some money, they SPEND IT and that keeps the economy going!

A rich person will never fund jobs because they don't pay more than a poor person, an investment is only a temporary payment for poor people to cover plus a profit margin.

I didn't mention envy nor did I imply I was being envious. when poor people fail at their jobs they don't get paid, when rich people fail then they turn socialist and make poor people cover their costs for them, obviously the politics of greed has caused you to be bitter and spiteful toward the dirty underclass who don't deserve your "hard earned" money!

Envy and Gree mean nothing anymore, what the intelligent of us want is for the machine to work for everyone but alas, the upper class know what's best for them and that is poverty for the working, underfunded education for the working class kids, an oversupply of graduates once poor people gained their opportunity to go to university, an oversupply of labour to decrease wages for the working and a political system that keeps the illusion of choice alive.

Take a look around you, when was the last time you heard education being praised by the media? when was the last time people actually got the "change" they voted for? how many political ideologies exist and can be voted for? how many people got their first job through hard work and talent compared to connections? how many brainwashed sheep bleat "socialism baad, capitalism good" while the bankers applied the socialist idea to their failures?

food for thought...

I got news for you the working class and "the poor" turn socialist just as quickly when they fail at their jobs. They get food stamps, welfare, unemployment insurance (For a YEAR AND A HALF), Medicaid, and so on. They latch on to the government tit like a suckling calf. But again, rather than looking for a solution that's just pointing out the problems. That's going to get you nowhere.

As for the poor not being afforded opportunities for education. Here in the states they have every imaginable opportunity to go to college. Student loans are guaranteed, you literally can't fucking be turned down for them. Barring that, Pel Grants are so easy to qualify for they may as well be guaranteed and those don't need to be paid back. Anyone can go to school if they choose to.

However, college, isn't the answer. In the US there are businesses all over that have a crazy demand for things like plumbers, welders, machinists, and other skilled labor. The problem is actually there are too many people getting worthless four year liberal arts degrees then wondering why they can't find work with their degree in Art History. A big part of the problem is people are no longer studying to become electricians, and mechanics, and so forth.

Again, people need to focus more on themselves and stop worrying about some imagined conspiracy by "The Evil Rich" to keep them down. I know it's easy to have some conceived boogey man to point to for all the world's problems but the sooner everyone stops pointing fingers and starts trying to fix their own situation the better off we'll all be.

 

[Shivarage]

I have no idea where you're getting this 3 day working week and infinate money from? I work as a nurse a 37.5 hr week, on average studies have found MP's work between a 60 and 69 hr week so unless there working 24 hrs a day for those 3 days I'm not sure that a 3 day week is possible. You may be misunderstanding the fact they need to attend parliment for 3 days a week as the only time there working when infact they also have to work in their local consituities.

Oh and like I said its all very well to say you would turn the world into a utopia... but how would you do this... oh yeah thats right you have no idea outside of the trite blame those evil rich people and overthrow the government responses.

As for business taking their companies elsewhere its already happening India the gulf states and china are seeing many banking groups relocate due to their low taxes and relitivly low levels of regulation.

Look its obvious theres no way i'm going to be able to change your mind but could you at least not base your arguements on misinformation.

I said "seemingly" because to us poor shmoes we couldn't imagine what they spend all that money on... as for the three day week there was a website that stated the times they worked in an average week but it seems to have disappeared and I can't find another site that says anything about their work times... isn't that strange (if they've got nothing to hide...)

obviously you're not interested in hearing solutions so there's no way I'm going to be able to convince you, you're just happy as things are... with people starving and talented unemployed having no opportunity in a nepotistic paradise that works for you.

Good, why aren't more going? they will discover that they can't make as much money due to oversupply in ratio to demand - I won't miss them

there's no misinformation :3 if I was minsinformed then feel free to correct me

 

[Shivarage]

I got news for you the working class and "the poor" turn socialist just as quickly when they fail at their jobs. They get food stamps, welfare, unemployment insurance (For a YEAR AND A HALF), Medicaid, and so on. They latch on to the government tit like a suckling calf. But again, rather than looking for a solution that's just pointing out the problems. That's going to get you nowhere.

As for the poor not being afforded opportunities for education. Here in the states they have every imaginable opportunity to go to college. Student loans are guaranteed, you literally can't fucking be turned down for them. Barring that, Pel Grants are so easy to qualify for they may as well be guaranteed and those don't need to be paid back. Anyone can go to school if they choose to.

However, college, isn't the answer. In the US there are businesses all over that have a crazy demand for things like plumbers, welders, machinists, and other skilled labor. The problem is actually there are too many people getting worthless four year liberal arts degrees then wondering why they can't find work with their degree in Art History. A big part of the problem is people are no longer studying to become electricians, and mechanics, and so forth.

Again, people need to focus more on themselves and stop worrying about some imagined conspiracy by "The Evil Rich" to keep them down. I know it's easy to have some conceived boogey man to point to for all the world's problems but the sooner everyone stops pointing fingers and starts trying to fix their own situation the better off we'll all be.

Two wrongs don't make a right, the bankers etc should be the better man and set an example as that's what they are PAID to be, after all they do brag of being "INDEPENDANT" of the state

There's also a crazy supply of skilled labour ya know.

The only thing a rich person wants is to stay rich, that's what they are trained to do and that's what they live for, it's true that they really don't help when it comes to the poverty traps but they don't care...

Captcha: usual suspects

Edit - also, again... you didn't answer any of my questions

 

[Xanthious]

The only thing a rich person wants is to stay rich, that's what they are trained to do and that's what they live for.

Man the sheer blind hate and ignorance in that sentence tells me all I need to know. You are obviously more interested in pointing fingers rather than looking for a solution. Keep on hating those evil rich people though fella it'll get you far in life . . . .

 

[CAPTCHA]

Actually if you read my post it was targeted at the OP who seemed to be unwilling to even take the basic rudimentary steps he was being offered to find work. I'm sorry that even after all the work you've put in your still unable to find gainful employement but the point is you're still trying to find a job and every step you actively take puts you one step closer towards finding one.

Really, and how do you figure on that? See I've done the shitty jobs that lead nowhere but even more shitty jobs. As Bertylicious said all this does is set up a red flag to employers that I'm not worth investing in because I'm only suitible for those temp, dead end jobs. I'm trying to break that cycle and allow myself a better quality of life. In your original post you give an example of how you swallowed you pride and lowered your standards from Nursing to Admin while you found something better. Well what if instead they had lowered those standards further and now you weren't going to be a nurse but the guy who cleans the dog shit out of the local kennels. I think you'd be a bit pissed off and expect more than that after the hard work you put in, yes? I mean who would hire you as a nurse after that? Well that's the situation I'm been forced into and I don't think I need to "grow up" or that I'm being a "drama queen" by being unhappy with it.

 

[Thyunda]

So, ever considered cleaning, a job in a slaughterhouse, or security? Each pays quite handsomely compared to the skills needed, or lack thereof.

My CV has quite an array of qualifications and extra credits on there. Apparently this puts 'unskilled' employers off.