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Altorin

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Jandau said:
The funny part is, the character in the game is actually in a really good spot. He has a very loving and understanding girlfriend, a family that loves him, a stable job that isn't terrible in any way, a selection of helpful and supportive friends, enough money to afford medication and therapy if he wants it.

Try doing that without a GF that's behind you 100%, with hardly any friends, with sick or dead parents, with a terrible soul-draining job that pays like crap. THEN you get to see depression. This game wasn't about a depressed person, it was about a whining little *****. So he's a bit introverted and not very social. So what?

Sorry if the above sounded harsh. I appreciate what the game was trying to do, but it had the opposite effect on me. I (and many people I've met) have had to deal with depression under far less ideal circumstances, faced with much greater real problems while having fewer support mechanisms and resources available to us. Reading through his "troubled" situation and how it's hard for him sounded like a person complaining that his Mercedes came with black leather seats instead of dark green leather seats like he wanted.

Depression is a big problem for many people, but the game portrays it poorly. It transplants symptoms of depression on a person who's doing pretty damn good in his life. The guy in the game wasn't depressed. He was just bored...
If you have a reason for the depression, it's probably not clinical depression. the problem is having depression when there is no reason. That's the whole freaking point. The point was that even if you're in an alright place in your life, depression all by itself can lead you down a path into a much worse place. If you want to take your logic to the highest degree, you never experienced depression because you have never had to walk 10 miles to get dirty water so that you don't die.

The thing about depression and things like social anxiety disorder is that they're irrational thoughts and feelings. If they were rational, and there were real reasons for them to feel that way, it wouldn't be a fucking problem. He doesn't feel like he has a girlfriend who trusts him. He doesn't feel as if he has any friends. He doesn't feel as if he has loving parents, and the attempts of his loved ones to reach out to him feel fake or misappropriated. That's the whole point. It's a brain sickness, not an accurate measure of the shit that's actually happening in a person's life.
 

NightmareExpress

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Jandau said:
After thinking about it, I agree with this. Well, for the most part.
This game depicts depression lite. It's very easy to correct the situation in this game, far more so than it is in actuality. I think it would have been better to have family/friends completely not understand you for the sake of the game.
Having a supportive girlfriend, a decent enough job and able to get easy access to treatment seems more than enough to be happy (to me).

But regardless, I'm glad that there exists a game to sort of display what being depressed is like.
I am sometimes amazed that there are people who don't understand it, but I suppose some have never observed or experienced the life of someone depressed.
 

Jandau

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Altorin said:
If you have a reason for the depression, it's probably not clinical depression. the problem is having depression when there is no reason. That's the whole freaking point. The point was that even if you're in an alright place in your life, depression all by itself can lead you down a path into a much worse place. If you want to take your logic to the highest degree, you never experienced depression because you have never had to walk 10 miles to get dirty water so that you don't die.

The thing about depression and things like social anxiety disorder is that they're irrational thoughts and feelings. If they were rational, and there were real reasons for them to feel that way, it wouldn't be a fucking problem. He doesn't feel like he has a girlfriend who trusts him. He doesn't feel as if he has any friends. He doesn't feel as if he has loving parents, and the attempts of his loved ones to reach out to him feel fake or misappropriated. That's the whole point. It's a brain sickness, not an accurate measure of the shit that's actually happening in a person's life.
But the thing is, he has all the tools handed to him on a silver platter. Yes, depression can come even when there's no real outside reason for it, but people facing it will often not have such optimal conditions. This was depression lite. His GF was understanding, his friends were understanding, everyone seemed involved in helping him cope, integrate and seek help. That's unrealistic, or at the very least unlikely. A far more likely scenario would have his GF getting fed up with him and dumping him, his friends drifting away from him, him losing his job and as a result access to funds to pay for therapy.

Depression destroys lives, and I feel it wasn't properly communicated here. If the goal was to raise awareness, it was a terrible example. What are people unfamiliar with depression going to see? As I said, a person who's in a good spot in life suddenly whining about it, and then dealing with it through a series of simple, common sense actions (talk to people, maybe seek counseling, etc.), all the while being pampered by everyone around him. So what's the point of the game? To show depression is an easily dealt with issue and there's nothing to see here, move along? Because that's the message the game sends.

I understand they wanted to allow for a "win condition", a way to get the guy's life in order, at least to some degree, but the way the set the whole thing up was unchallenging and as a result I feel it conveyed the message poorly or not at all...
 

Happiness Assassin

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I don't need to experience this game to know what depression feels like. My new therapist and pills can attest to that. I stopped playing halfway through because it was bumming me out more than I usually am.
 

Vidiot

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Having this image at the bottom of nearly every page made my stomach drop in its accuracy.

http://www.beesgo.biz/dq/level1.gif

I have to remember to send some kind of a thank-you note to the author and the OP for bringing this to my attention. I guess I just hadn't considered the possibility that those feelings of self-loathing might not be accurate. I was chronically suicidal in my teen years, and about half my biological family has committed suicide, so it might be time to take some steps.
 

Bertylicious

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It's a bit... optimistic. The language is there, descriptions of the feelings and such, but when the protagonist goes to the therapist the therapist is amazing. His girlfriend is relentlessly supportive and basically the relationship requires zero maintenance or effort. Also he starts with a girlfriend. There's this "project" that the protagonist has that that they start out with some structured, albeit limited, success with. The protagonist is already in a situation that basically channels them towards success.

It's depression on easy mode.