I want drug users, smokers, alcoholics to explain this to me (seriously)

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elvor0

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azukar said:
You're not going to get many real, honest and true, correct responses in this thread. Do people really know why they drink, smoke, take drugs?
That's a bit pretentious don't you think? I do it because I and I'm sure most of the rest of the people enjoy it and that should be good enough. There shouldn't -need- to be some underlying mental problem or escapism or some analytical way of explaining it. The people who drink/take drugs to escape are unlikely to post here because what's the point? They're not directly being asked, so there's no reason for them to step forward on their own and make up an excuse as to why they do it.
 

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I've never done drugs either, never smoked and don't drink unless I go out, which is rare. If I do drink, good wine is nice. I am like the OP and don't really get it. I think haven't done it becuase well firstly I have never been one to cave to peer pressure and secondly I have had clinical depression and PTSD since I was abotu 12 so I think doing hard drugs would just make things alot worse.

Nothing can be good as sugar and video game escapism anyways *eats sweeties* :3
 

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I smoke only to socialise. You'd be suprised how many women's numbers I have gotten because I always carry a pack and a lighter. Works a charm.

Drinking is fun, also, it helps you forget the hardships of life.

Drugs, in terms of weed, it's fun. I didn't enjoy pills and I wont ever inject so can't comment on those.
 

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elvor0 said:
I hate it when people ask this question.

Because I enjoy it. Nothing more, nothing less. The same as I enjoy playing guitar or playing video games.

There. Is that so hard? And now some Bill Hicks

I liked the irony of him saying that the government has double standards by saying "Drinking is the acceptable drug".

Why? Because moments earlier he said, while smoking, "I don't do drugs anymore." :p

Still find him funny mind you, jus thought that bit was too good.
 

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Jack the Potato said:
I'm 21 years old and have never been drunk

Jesus Christ. You bore. I'm sorry, and I don't mean any disrespect by this, but you really fucking need to get out and get drunk. It's fun and it's the best way to socialise.

You wanna know the one thing worse than a drinker? A boring person.
 

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theultimateend said:
elvor0 said:
I hate it when people ask this question.

Because I enjoy it. Nothing more, nothing less. The same as I enjoy playing guitar or playing video games.

There. Is that so hard? And now some Bill Hicks

I liked the irony of him saying that the government has double standards by saying "Drinking is the acceptable drug".

Why? Because moments earlier he said, while smoking, "I don't do drugs anymore." :p

Still find him funny mind you, jus thought that bit was too good.
Hah hah, that is a fairly good point actually, I even said a massive thing about nicotine being a drug earlier in this very thread, but it completely went over my head watching that.
 

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Being a teetotaller, I can't really speak from personal experience as to WHY people drink. But I have been friends with drug users.

Usually they start due to peer pressure or general interest in the effects. While I have never taken LSD, I admit that I sometimes find myself wondering what it would be like to take LSD. Drugs have a reputation for providing euphoria (at a tremendous later cost). Some people want to experience what it is like, and, unfortunately, become addicted after repeated uses.

Sometimes people drink or take drugs because there is social pressure to do these things. You cannot truthfully say that society doesn't pressure people into drinking - all the "cool" kids drink, movies tell people that it's "fun" to be drunk out of your mind, and that alcohol will help you get laid and get into "whacky" hijinks. It seems like these days people can't socialize without alcohol, and that's kind of sad when you really think about it.

Co-workers invite each other to drinks, college parties revolve around chugging beer, and many parents inadvertently teach their kids to drink to excess by leaving alcohol lying around the house. Plenty of alcoholic teenagers started drinking when they were 12 because daddy or mummy left a box of alcoholic drinks lying around the house and were too stoned to stop the kid from drinking. Plus, the kid thinks, "If mummy and daddy do it, it's okay!".

But the biggest reason is boredom. Drugs and Alcohol promise to take people away from their boring, boring lives (hey, my life is boring too, I don't pretend that it isn't). They drink because it seems fun and exciting. Of course, the pitfalls of addiction and the inherent problems that come with losing your sense of self-control are obvious to all, but people love to overestimate their ability to handle dangerous substances. "Oh, I won't get addicted," they think, "I'm special".

I've dealt with substance abusers. I have read some papers into the reason why people get addicted to drugs. It's almost universally either one of these reasons:

1) They're bored
2) Peer Pressure and a desire to conform to fit in with your social group.
3) A learned ability from an early age due to being born into a family that regularly abuses substances
4) Pointless rebellion and a desire to "show off" how "hardcore" they are by doing things "the man" tells them not to do.
5) Or because they haven't been educated as to the effects of drugs and they want to experiment.

Overarching all of this is over-confidence - confidence that they won't get addicted, that they can "handle" it because they "know" they can. Of course, this self delusion allows them to ignore the fact that most of them do end up addicted to the substance in particular. They'll never admit it - they're too proud to admit they've made a mistake.

There are some who can handle alcohol and there are even those who can handle drugs. But they are rare. A lot of people (I'd estimate it to be about 30%) cannot handle alcohol and even more can't handle drugs, and the stats on domestic violence and drug-related robberies attests to that.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a religious believer. I don't think there is anything "Spiritually" (because I don't believe in things like spirits) or inherently wrong with drinking, provided it is done in moderation. I just think that a lot of people who CLAIM they can alcohol can't actually handle alcohol. I think that these drugs are bad. Not as bad as the government sometimes make them out to be, but bad nonetheless. While drugs probably won't fry your brain, they can cause you to lose control of yourself, to do things you wouldn't otherwise do. They impair your ability to think, to judge and to retain presence of mind. And no euphoria is worth that loss of control, from my perspective.
 

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Weed: What's wrong with feeling good? I smoke because it's fun and an excellent way to relax. It's not like it's expensive and the health risks are minimal to none.

I smoke cigarettes from time to time, but 3 in a 7-day week is my limit and I usually don't even reach that limit.

I guess I understand why people would drink, but I usually don't partake; 1 or 2 light drinks is as far as I'll go.
 

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Honestly, it is just a new and enjoyable experience. I drink/occasionally do recreational drugs to experience a new activity. I see a new rollercoaster at the fair. I go out of my way to try it. I used to pop a tab of acid, or an ecstasy pill with the same mindset. It is an experience you can in no way replicate without it. It makes you more cultured, and lets you experience things you would otherwise never be able to. Do you remember your first time playing an amazing video game? It offers that entire experience, but condensed into a few hours. Awesome.
 

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I'll be 24 tomorrow (Thursday), first time I drank was my last year of high school, only a handful of times. I barely drank at all from age 19-22. I didn't smoke my first cigarette until I was 22 and didn't try pot till I was 22. The only "heavier" drug I have tried is LSD once this past spring. I only drink when I go to parties, so 4 to 5 times a month and may smoke the odd cigarette when I'm drinking. I smoke weed maybe once or twice a month usually when I'm out partying with my stoner friends. I've never bought a pack of cigarettes or bought weed and don't keep alcohol in my house.

In my experience and from my observations smoking starts as a social lubricant. As others have mentioned it is easier to spark a conversation with people when you are all outside of a bar having a smoke. You are much more likely to get to know people if you go outside with the smokers, not necessarily to smoke but just to be with the group than if you stay inside with the other 1 or 2 non-smokers.

Drinking in my experience is similar to smoking it can also start as a social lubricant, by removing inhibitions it can turn a wall flower into a social butterfly. It also has that "fun factor" where you just find yourself laughing at everything. This is usually why I drink, it makes a party more fun, its hard to explain it any other way, its just something you know when you experience it.

Pot for many is an alternative to drinking and is used for that "fun factor". I prefer to drink given the choice, pot just really isn't my thing. When I do smoke, its usually, you guessed it, a social lubricant. Smoking a joint with some people you just met earlier in the night opens up the opportunity for conversation. There are a lot of people I hang out with that I never would have if I hadn't smoked with them that one night.

LSD... thats a tricky one. When I did it I was already pretty drunk and when it kicked in, well I went on a magic carpet ride. I've never experienced anything like an acid trip, it wasn't scary, can't say it was super fun, it was just experiencing the world in a whole new way. I have no desire to do it again, it was just a one time deal for me.

Those are my observations on why I partake or don't in those activities.

However, where being an addict comes into play, really comes down to why you do it or how you do it. I suffered from clinical depression in the past and have an anxiety disorder and have seen a psychiatrist regularly for about 4 years now. Smoking, drinking and drugs have come up multiple times in our conversations. From what I have learned, through hours of talking with a professional and research I have done, an addict uses any of the above mentioned substances as an escape from reality, a way to avoid facing problems in life or as a (poor) coping mechanism for dealing with hardships in life.

When I was depressed I would buy a bottle of rum and suck on it while playing vids online with some friends that were also drinking, it was an escape from all the shit that was going on in life. My girlfriend had just broken up with my and drinking allowed me to forget about her and stop feeling sorry for myself for a few hours, it was a poor way of coping with problems I was dealing with. Around the same time I was having to deal with asshole boses and idiot co-workers at work. Playing vids and drinking let me unwind and forget about that but again it was only temporary and it wasn't dealing with the actually issues, it was just an escape. Eventually I hit rock bottom and ended up in hospital, I haven't kept alcohol in my house since then.

So thats my story, every word is true.

TL:DR version: IMO Alcohol and smoking make great social lubricants. Alcohol and pot/other drugs have a great "fun factor". When you use any of these substances to avoid facing your problems or to escape from reality/life you may be crossing into addict territory.

Hope this helps.
 

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Jack the Potato said:
I'm 21 years old (just about 22 at this point), I've never once smoked or done drugs, I barely ever drink and have never been drunk. I don't want to criticize those who partake in those activities and if you come into this topic expecting to do that, please go elsewhere.

I just want to know why you chose to do it. It's widely known now that the benefits of those things are temporary but they could ruin your lives fairly easily. It just seems like there is absolutely no good reason for doing drugs, or smoking, or drinking in excess. I know some people are addicted, and that sucks because that's tough for anyone to overcome. Some I know are self-destructive; they know it's bad but they do it anyway apparently because they just don't care.

But I know I can't truly know why because I've never experienced it myself, so I want to understand. Please, if you want to, give me your honest reasons for doing what you do so I can understand where you're coming from even if I don't agree with it.
I am at a similar age and up until about a year or so ago I was in a similar circumstance. I really never drunk, or took anything vaguely illegal. Then circumstances changed for me and I decided I was tired of always following the rules set down by other who seemed to have little or no understanding of what it was like to be a young adult as they hadn't been one for close to 40 or 50 years.

When I was thinking about trying drinking/drug taking I asked the same question you are asking now because I wanted to know what it would be like and why people did and kept on doing it.

If you want to really see what it's all about you can't sit back and rely on others descriptions and explanations. Everyone's experiences vary, even the same person can have wildly different experience on the same drug dependent on mood, company and environment. The only way to really understand what it's like and why people do it is to try it yourself. If you don't want to (and I'm certainly not saying you should) then you need to accept that nothing anyone can say will adequately live up to the explanation you looking for.

Honestly, because you asked, I drink because it's sociable and I have some great stories to tell because of it and I took E because it feels amazing and again, it's quite sociable, but neither of those things I would ever take if I felt down or upset. Doing that's not healthy in my opinion.
I don't much like what weed does to me, so I don't take it and I will never smoke because I watched a family member die from related illnesses, but those are purely personal reasons, not because I think these things are, in themselves, bad.

Hope that helped.
 

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I am 21 myself and until I was 19 I could say nearly the same as you. I had never smoked, didn't drunk much and I never did drugs. I live in the Netherlands so it would have been easy enough for me to get drugs as well.

Then I went to Indonesia on my own for the summer and I went clubbing in Jakarta. There I got some amazing XTC from my partyfriends and fell in love with drugs. I went back to Jakarta to party several times over the few months I stayed in Indonesia and took drugs every single time.

After I took some XTC, I was easily convinced to try other drugs as well. I ended up trying LSD, Chasing the Dragon and Methamphetamime. After I left Jakarta I obviously didn't take or try to take drugs elsewhere. When I got back to the Netherlands I did take some XTC again at some techno parties and such.

I have no intend to become a drug junkie and will stay away from highly addictive drugs, but I do think taking drugs added a whole new level of enjoyment to my life. In the Netherlands I still don't smoke, hardly drink and do drugs once in a blue moon.

Till you have tried some real drugs you are not in a position to judge others. I suggest taking LSD, that was one sweet ride!
 

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Because they are weak with no willpower. The same goes for people with overweight that just can't stop eating fatty food, even if they wish they could. They will use excuses like "it's a social thing" or "you have your bad habits as well", but they are only fooling themselves.
 

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The Human Torch said:
Because they are weak with no willpower. The same goes for people with overweight that just can't stop eating fatty food, even if they wish they could. They will use excuses like "it's a social thing" or "you have your bad habits as well", but they are only fooling themselves.
I do hope you're only referring to addicts here. (I will however semi stick up for heroin addicts, that stuff is fucking heavy, it takes a VERY VERY strong willpower to get off that stuff.) Although really overweight people don't exactly have an excuse, but that's different to actually being addicted to something.
 

The Human Torch

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elvor0 said:
The Human Torch said:
Because they are weak with no willpower. The same goes for people with overweight that just can't stop eating fatty food, even if they wish they could. They will use excuses like "it's a social thing" or "you have your bad habits as well", but they are only fooling themselves.
I do hope you're only referring to addicts here. (I will however semi stick up for heroin addicts, that stuff is fucking heavy, it takes a VERY VERY strong willpower to get off that stuff.)
It also takes strong willpower to not begin taking such stuff. Or just once to 'try it', and never touch it again.
 

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I smoke a cigar after a big event (Weddings, graduations, Christmas Dinner,, etc) I also drink socially just to get a nice buzz going and I have taken Adderal before going out to a rave before. The reason I have done all those things is to either relax or lube the cogs alittle or to give me energy for a coming event, the cigar usually gives me a boost of energy and gives me a nice buzz and the alcohol well it's fun in the right amount.
 

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smoking is just stupid, unless you are a power-armored scientist in a space station.
the rest is just fun, especially when done in moderation and in good company.
 

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Dopamine(one of the chemicals produced in your brain that makes you feel happy), most drugs(from alcohol to crack) have the nifty effect of upping dopamine production (same thing happens with fun activities, top marks on that go to sex).

So drugs are basically happiness on demand, problem is they can have very nasty side effects, and our brain needs more then chemicals to get into a state of happiness, so if your thought processes don't match up things can go horribly wrong(suicides and such).

Honestly you need to try it to understand the full extent of it, or if you ever had a long unhappy relationship you pretty much felt all the similar ups and downs.