I want to join the PC Elite...what next?

[mrhateful]

The latest socket that have been released is 1155(Intel) And i would never recommend 500w for a gaming pc since nearly all gaming cards has recommended 600w or more and imo it's better to buy more then you need atm since if you want to add another card you do not need to buy another PSU. And whats wrong with Sli?

About the socket should have written one of their newest, honestly was just using it as an example since I am running amd anyway. I have changed it now so no one else will start crying over such a pointless thing.
However on to your more important points:
Yes the good old buy more than you need argument, honestly never buy more than you need because in 6 month everything has been upgraded so much that you will have to buy new stuff anyway.

Lastly SLI is the worst crap ever, first you can only use one screen. That means that every time you want to use SLI you have to turn of your second screen and if you don't you just wasted a lot of money on a worthless graphic card, secondly SLI works well in some games however most games SLI has no support so either it feels like your using one graphic card or it keeps crashing/bugging. It is in my opinion not worth the headache or the gain, compared to the price.

I must ask have u even used Sli? Cause I have only found one game that didnt support sli that has been released the last 3-4yrs and one was the Crysis 2 demo (Fixed with an update) And wtf are you talking about you only can use one screen? and I have had Sli for 4 month and it has never crashed and I have never heard of a system crashing cause of SLI unless you do not have the PSU to handle it and since the scaling on SLI/CF atm is around 90% it often Cheaper and better to go CF/SLI and the reason Im saying you should get more Watt then you need is cause if you want to add another Card which is great performance for the price you do not need to buy a new PSU.

Yes I have for 2 years and no it wasn't my PSU, scaling was never 90% and yes in SLI you can only run 1 monitor when SLI is active. Also to run sli you MUST have an nvidia motherboard chipset which is not explained anywhere, and nvidia chipset are so horrible waste of money that MB was.

 

[MrTub]

Not all games support SLI, if you choose to go that path.

I have yet to find a game that do not support CF/SLI and have been released within 3-4yrs.

And if you buy a good GPU you will be able to play the older games with just one GPU either way so I really must say that "Not all games support it" argument is quite old since its the norm to have SLI/CF Support for the games that is being released today. And it often is cheaper to buy a second card then to buy a completely new high end card

 

[MrTub]

The latest socket that have been released is 1155(Intel) And i would never recommend 500w for a gaming pc since nearly all gaming cards has recommended 600w or more and imo it's better to buy more then you need atm since if you want to add another card you do not need to buy another PSU. And whats wrong with Sli?

About the socket should have written one of their newest, honestly was just using it as an example since I am running amd anyway. I have changed it now so no one else will start crying over such a pointless thing.
However on to your more important points:
Yes the good old buy more than you need argument, honestly never buy more than you need because in 6 month everything has been upgraded so much that you will have to buy new stuff anyway.

Lastly SLI is the worst crap ever, first you can only use one screen. That means that every time you want to use SLI you have to turn of your second screen and if you don't you just wasted a lot of money on a worthless graphic card, secondly SLI works well in some games however most games SLI has no support so either it feels like your using one graphic card or it keeps crashing/bugging. It is in my opinion not worth the headache or the gain, compared to the price.

I must ask have u even used Sli? Cause I have only found one game that didnt support sli that has been released the last 3-4yrs and one was the Crysis 2 demo (Fixed with an update) And wtf are you talking about you only can use one screen? and I have had Sli for 4 month and it has never crashed and I have never heard of a system crashing cause of SLI unless you do not have the PSU to handle it and since the scaling on SLI/CF atm is around 90% it often Cheaper and better to go CF/SLI and the reason Im saying you should get more Watt then you need is cause if you want to add another Card which is great performance for the price you do not need to buy a new PSU.

Yes I have for 2 years and no it wasn't my PSU, scaling was never 90% and yes in SLI you can only run 1 monitor when SLI is active. Also to run sli you MUST have an nvidia motherboard chipset which is not explained anywhere, and nvidia chipset are so horrible waste of money that MB was.

Srsly are you a troll? Cause I have fucking played with 4 monitors with Sli and the SCALING have been close 90% and in some times even higher the last fucking two years so please stop giving advice on something you apparently do not know a shit about.

http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_learn.html
http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_faq.html


"Can I use SLI multi-monitor in all SLI configurations?
Yes. SLI Multi-monitor is supported in 2-way, 3-way, and Quad SLI configurations and is enabled automatically when SLI technology is enabled in the 'NVIDIA Control Panel? (right-click on your desktop to open)."

 

[mrhateful]

I disagree with both of those points. First off you're talking about a PSU. Buy a good one with headroom and you'll have the ability to upgrade your PC many times over without changing that part. Also, if we're talking about other components, if you buy something overpowered now then yes sure in a year it's no longer top notch but it's performance hasn't diminished and it should still perform admirably for some time, but if you buy the minimum now then you always have to keep upgrading to just get by.

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your not able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

 

[deleted_by_strongbad]

Tips for getting into PC
DIY, it is easy, cheaper than store bought (unless you were going for economy, for some reason you can find prebuilt basic home pc's for about the cost of windows alone), and more customization. The best alienware rig is about half the machine that you could build for the same price.

Newegg.com, generally cheaper than tiger direct once shipping is factored in, and their site UI is much easier to navigate IMO.

good, trustable, review sites:
tomshardware.com
anandtech.com

general truths:
The most expensive products are the less expensive products with more marketing terms attached to them.

if the product has the terms like: gamer designed, military inspired, EXTREME!! or some other bs sounding hype garbage, most likely it is severely overpriced and there is a high chance it is actually a substandard piece of hardware hence the overzealous marketing.

For RAM, higher clockspeed does not always mean better. Look at the CAS Latencies on the ram, if the higher clockspeed comes with a higher latency all that stick is, is a stick of cheap/substandard ram which has been overclocked to a higher speed and being sold as an expensive stick of "Gaming" RAM. Find a balance between low latency and high frequency. This is typically in the middle-range RAM. The latency is the time between instructions the "speed" is the processing of those instructions.

 

[mrhateful]

The latest socket that have been released is 1155(Intel) And i would never recommend 500w for a gaming pc since nearly all gaming cards has recommended 600w or more and imo it's better to buy more then you need atm since if you want to add another card you do not need to buy another PSU. And whats wrong with Sli?

About the socket should have written one of their newest, honestly was just using it as an example since I am running amd anyway. I have changed it now so no one else will start crying over such a pointless thing.
However on to your more important points:
Yes the good old buy more than you need argument, honestly never buy more than you need because in 6 month everything has been upgraded so much that you will have to buy new stuff anyway.

Lastly SLI is the worst crap ever, first you can only use one screen. That means that every time you want to use SLI you have to turn of your second screen and if you don't you just wasted a lot of money on a worthless graphic card, secondly SLI works well in some games however most games SLI has no support so either it feels like your using one graphic card or it keeps crashing/bugging. It is in my opinion not worth the headache or the gain, compared to the price.

I must ask have u even used Sli? Cause I have only found one game that didnt support sli that has been released the last 3-4yrs and one was the Crysis 2 demo (Fixed with an update) And wtf are you talking about you only can use one screen? and I have had Sli for 4 month and it has never crashed and I have never heard of a system crashing cause of SLI unless you do not have the PSU to handle it and since the scaling on SLI/CF atm is around 90% it often Cheaper and better to go CF/SLI and the reason Im saying you should get more Watt then you need is cause if you want to add another Card which is great performance for the price you do not need to buy a new PSU.

Yes I have for 2 years and no it wasn't my PSU, scaling was never 90% and yes in SLI you can only run 1 monitor when SLI is active. Also to run sli you MUST have an nvidia motherboard chipset which is not explained anywhere, and nvidia chipset are so horrible waste of money that MB was.

Srsly are you a troll? Cause I have fucking played with 4 monitors with Sli and the SCALING have been close 90% and in some times even higher the last fucking two years so please stop giving advice on something you apparently do not know a shit about.

http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_learn.html
http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_faq.html

They might have fixed the monitor problem I dunno(was a stupid problem anyway), however I remember reading reviews about sli giving 90% gain with no crashes etc etc, which was the reason I brought it the 90% gain is a fantasy in most games and yes once in a while you will come a cross a game that crashes in sli.

However I will say this:
F.E.A.R gave me 90% and nwn2 did not and crashed.
Crysis was about 30%

 

[Wolfram23]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

 

[mrhateful]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

Yes but your forced to use Nvidia crappy chipset.

 

[MrTub]

The latest socket that have been released is 1155(Intel) And i would never recommend 500w for a gaming pc since nearly all gaming cards has recommended 600w or more and imo it's better to buy more then you need atm since if you want to add another card you do not need to buy another PSU. And whats wrong with Sli?

About the socket should have written one of their newest, honestly was just using it as an example since I am running amd anyway. I have changed it now so no one else will start crying over such a pointless thing.
However on to your more important points:
Yes the good old buy more than you need argument, honestly never buy more than you need because in 6 month everything has been upgraded so much that you will have to buy new stuff anyway.

Lastly SLI is the worst crap ever, first you can only use one screen. That means that every time you want to use SLI you have to turn of your second screen and if you don't you just wasted a lot of money on a worthless graphic card, secondly SLI works well in some games however most games SLI has no support so either it feels like your using one graphic card or it keeps crashing/bugging. It is in my opinion not worth the headache or the gain, compared to the price.

I must ask have u even used Sli? Cause I have only found one game that didnt support sli that has been released the last 3-4yrs and one was the Crysis 2 demo (Fixed with an update) And wtf are you talking about you only can use one screen? and I have had Sli for 4 month and it has never crashed and I have never heard of a system crashing cause of SLI unless you do not have the PSU to handle it and since the scaling on SLI/CF atm is around 90% it often Cheaper and better to go CF/SLI and the reason Im saying you should get more Watt then you need is cause if you want to add another Card which is great performance for the price you do not need to buy a new PSU.

Yes I have for 2 years and no it wasn't my PSU, scaling was never 90% and yes in SLI you can only run 1 monitor when SLI is active. Also to run sli you MUST have an nvidia motherboard chipset which is not explained anywhere, and nvidia chipset are so horrible waste of money that MB was.

Srsly are you a troll? Cause I have fucking played with 4 monitors with Sli and the SCALING have been close 90% and in some times even higher the last fucking two years so please stop giving advice on something you apparently do not know a shit about.

http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_learn.html
http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_faq.html

They might have fixed the monitor problem I dunno(was a stupid problem anyway), however I remember reading reviews about sli giving 90% gain with no crashes etc etc, which was the reason I brought it the 90% gain is a fantasy and yes once in a while you will come a cross a game that crashes in sli.

ok srsly you are a troll so I will not bother to respond to you anymore. Please cheak some benchmark test and do some math and you will see that I'm right.

 

[mrhateful]

ok srsly you are a troll so I will not bother to respond to you anymore. Please cheak some benchmark test and do some math and you will see that I'm right.

Kinda funny you are so defensive... Don't worry about I didn't admit I brought the wrong things either until I swapped away from SLI.
Also go back and reread my post changed some stuff.

 

[Wolfram23]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

Yes but your forced to use Nvidia crappy chipset. Also GPUs do have sockets its called PCI-E 2.0 probably 3 soon.

... Ok. First off, you're not. I have Intel with Intel Chipset and it's SLI certified. Yes, you need a small nvidia chip on your mobo but the entire chipset does not have to be Nvidia anymore. A few years ago you would have a point, but not anymore.

Secondly, that doesn't mean anything. PCIe is backwords compatible and the only real difference is bandwidth. PCIe 2 doubled 1's bandwidth, but know what? Very few cards are even exceeding 8 lanes of 2.0 bandwidth (16 is max available). CPU sockets are a completely different monster and change all the time. AMD does a good job with compatibility but Intel doesn't give a shit and make them non-compatible.

Anyway, you're kind of talking either nonsense or about things that really don't matter much.

 

[MrTub]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

Do not bother with him, you could link all the test in the world but apparently cause he so says it only support one monitor and you get about 30% increase in performance and youre lucky if it even works at all. So herp derp? and it also crashes you're system and fyi computers is run on magic.

 

[mrhateful]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

Yes but your forced to use Nvidia crappy chipset. Also GPUs do have sockets its called PCI-E 2.0 probably 3 soon.

... Ok. First off, you're not. I have Intel with Intel Chipset and it's SLI certified. Yes, you need a small nvidia chip on your mobo but the entire chipset does not have to be Nvidia anymore. A few years ago you would have a point, but not anymore.

Secondly, that doesn't mean anything. PCIe is backwords compatible and the only real difference is bandwidth. PCIe 2 doubled 1's bandwidth, but know what? Very few cards are even exceeding 8 lanes of 2.0 bandwidth (16 is max available). CPU sockets are a completely different monster and change all the time. AMD does a good job with compatibility but Intel doesn't give a shit and make them non-compatible.

Anyway, you're kind of talking either nonsense or about things that really don't matter much.

Okay first of sorry did remove PCI-E part and yeah they probably not going out of date anytime soon.... Was also talking about overall computer not just graphic card, but CPU, RAM, MB, Etc as well.

However I can only speak from experience which was I had 2 8800 GT on a P5N-D motherboard and everything was crashing all the time because the nvidia chipset drivers fucked things up. Also I only had a 90% gain from FEAR, other games crashed on me or had no gain/little gain. And I was forced to use one monitor only, where things apparently have changed.. so with all that in mind its going to take a long time before I trust SLI again.

Also I have used computers all my life, I am on my 4. Semester in Software technology and I have a job where I write programs for a company. What I am saying is my experiences with SLI or other technologies that has been developed, I was just using SLI as an example.

 

[mrhateful]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

Do not bother with him, you could link all the test in the world but apparently cause he so says it only support one monitor and you get about 30% increase in performance and youre lucky if it even works at all. So herp derp? and it also crashes you're system and fyi computers is run on magic.

You have showed no test only your flame which for some funny reason didn't convince me. Damn flamy trolls.

 

[Private Custard]

At this point I want a rig that will play titles at max settings flawlessly, including the most graphically intensive games on the market...Help me out guys. Help me build a gaming behemoth.

Then be prepared to pay a hell of a lot for it. Things like GTX 580 GPUs, 1000w PSUs, £150 motherboards, £150 RAM, a decent overclock.....which in turn will require massive cooling, and a case that'll hold enough fans to drain all the power from small villages!

 

[MrTub]

if you buy a graphic card that is 70% of the best then you'll get the most out of your money and you will have money to upgrade when it becomes crap while a 100% of the best card will cost you tons and its socket and ports will soon be old like ddr2 -> ddr3 or AM2->AM3, so your able to upgrade in the future anyway(unless you buy a new pc every 4-6 month)

GPUs don't really have "socket and ports" that can go out of date anytime soon. PCIe will be around for a while and so will HDMI, DVI, DP...

And basically that's what I'm saying. Two 5850s are cheaper than a 5970 and perform about equal. Two 460s are cheaper than a 480 and perform better. Two 560s are cheaper than a 580 and perform better. ETC.

Do not bother with him, you could link all the test in the world but apparently cause he so says it only support one monitor and you get about 30% increase in performance and youre lucky if it even works at all. So herp derp? and it also crashes you're system and fyi computers is run on magic.

You have showed no test only your flame which for some funny reason didn't convince me. Damn flamy trolls.

I have actually linked you a test but I guess you are so smart you didnt notice it, so I will link it again.
http://www.slizone.com/docs/CP/21274/SLI-Scaling.jpg

And I also asked you to find your own benchmark test so you cannot accuse me of picking the best test for x hardware. I cheated somehow, you do not trust the site, you got x hardware and Im lying since you get 10000 million fps (All these are responses I have gotten when I have linked test) But since you apparently fail to find some of your own I will post a couple of test and these will be in swedish since I cannot be bothered to find some in english for a troll.

Gtx 480 MW2Dx10: Single card avg 72 fps and Sli avg of 122 fps( 30% increase right?)
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/6236-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480/10#pagehead

Crysis Warhead Dx10:
Single gtx 480:14-19fps
Sli gtx 480:27-37fps
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/6236-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480/8#pagehead (Almost 30% again right?)

Futuremark 3Dmark Vantage - Extreme
Single gtx 480:9342 points
Sli gtx 480:17573 points
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/6236-nvidia-geforce-gtx-480/7#pagehead (Almost 30% again! wow!)

I could link you a couple of more if you need and I could also link tests for CF if you want mr Troll.

 

[Chibz]

Buy a $150 lappy. It can run most of the GOOD PC games (Read as: late 90's, early 2000's and earlier).

I'd also work on your superiority complex. I'm in a good place with mine, and can give you additional tips via PM if needed.

 

[Wolfram23]

Buy a $150 lappy. It can run most of the GOOD PC games (Read as: late 90's, early 2000's and earlier).

I'd also work on your superiority complex. I'm in a good place with mine, and can give you additional tips via PM if needed.

Man, I sure hope my sarcasm detector is functioning properly, otherwise this post is just... yikes.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Protip: Buy a PC, download Steam, play games on it.

You don't have to custom build a PC and unless you know 100% what you're doing, there's not really much point. There are website you can go to and pick out what parts you want or modify their presets and they make it for you. I know they have those in Britain and they must do in America. Don't know where though.

 

[Willsor]

Plan everything out in notepad. Thats all I really have to add to all the very good advice given.
I will say though, with regards to the PSU, the Brand is probably of 60% importance next to the 40% being the Wattage itself. I have a 500w Ocz, and it runs my i7, 6gb ram, HD5850 1gb and coolermaster v8 with no problems.
Don't go for one of these unbranded cheapy 1000w ones, because it won't be better than a good named brand
That being said, definitely don't skimp on the psu. A 500 or 600w would be a good starting point.