I would like to propose...

[James Joseph Emerald]

Yeah, yeah, bullshit.

I don't think we're on the same page here.
What part of the concept of a "grey area" is confusing you? If you agree that a grey area exists, how can you then argue that people who claim to be perfect black or white are being reasonable? And then, of course, they still exist on the scale, technically within the bounds of the grey area.
If you agree that a grey area exists, that is the end of the argument here. Explain to me how you can fall outside of a 0-100% range.

 

[lacktheknack]

So it comes down to "everyone is a shade of grey" versus "I am 100% black/white all of the time without exception". And I can't help but feel the latter concept is just logically flawed, regardless of whether people feel insulted by the idea that they don't understand their own sexuality.

Logically flawed? Based on the scientific legwork you didn't do? What's insulting is coming across bullshit like people saying that I don't understand my own sexuality when they have jack shit to back it up. Like claiming something is logically flawed without doing the fucking obvious step of using logic and show it is.

My point, that people's sexuality can change, is trivially easy to back up. I could bury you in cases and examples of people who began with one sexual orientation, and then shifted or gradually changed to another, if you like. Also, there is bisexuality.
Therefore, a grey area must exist, logically.

Now, it is up to you (or whomever) to prove that there are people who fall outside of this grey area (and will always remain outside of it), if you want to disprove my theory that nobody falls outside the grey area (and thusly nobody is technically purely straight or gay). But I don't think that's technically possible, because how can you even define what being 100% straight is? And even if you could, I doubt anyone could attain (let alone maintain) such perfection (and I'm saying that as a heterosexual mind you).

And, until you can disprove/discredit that theory, you can't call anyone who believes it ignorant without seeming, at the very least, unscientific.

NO U

The burden of proof falls on YOU, bub. You're the one who came up with the alternate theory, let's see the evidence.

 

[lacktheknack]

Yeah, yeah, bullshit.

I don't think we're on the same page here.
What part of the concept of a "grey area" is confusing you? If you agree that a grey area exists, how can you then argue that people who claim to be perfect black or white are being reasonable? And then, of course, they still exist on the scale, technically within the bounds of the grey area.
If you agree that a grey area exists, that is the end of the argument here. Explain to me how you can fall outside of a 0-100% range.

What?

What you're saying is that, since grey exists, black and white cannot exist.

... OK.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

Bisexuality suggest that everyone has sex with anyone, regardless of gender.

Sorry to tell you this, but I'm not big[footnote]See what I did there?[/footnote] on having sex with guys.

Doesn't mean I can't appreciate a handsome man when I see one

He's so dreamy...

[sub]Inb4 Matthew replacing my image with Lando.[/sub]

I think you'll find bisexuality is the sexual attraction to both genders as the genders they are, not regardless of gender. Pansexuality, on the other hand, is the attraction to both genders in spite of gender. Pansexuals are basically genderblind and bisexuals find both the sexes attractive for their own reasons.

 

[Easton Dark]

Not really. It's a "fantasy" sort of thing. If I ever did get into a relationship, I'd be monogamous. Although if my guy was up to try having a threesome with another guy at least once, I proooobably wouldn't say no. Just to see what it was like. As long as I don't find it gross I'll probably try it at least once. Although because I'm completely unfair I wouldn't say yes to a threesome with another lady. I find the thought of being intimate with another woman incredibly naeuseating. I'm also 90% sure I spelt that word wrong.

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

And monogamous, huh... We can continue this (potentially interesting) conversation in private if you'd prefer.

 

[lacktheknack]

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

You should eat more grains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

I'm sorry, I'll leave now.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

hence why most porn is for men

Porn isn't for anyone. Rather arrogant of you to assume what individuals can and cannot find arousing. All that does is feed into stereotypes and further reinforce the false notion that men and women are inherently different.

 

[Easton Dark]

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

You should eat more grains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

I'm sorry, I'll leave now.

Take your ancient spelt with you! Coming up in here, noun-ing at me.

 

[Texas Joker 52]

Doesn't mean I can't appreciate a handsome man when I see one

Spoiler: Old Spice Guy. You know you want to look. Just... Take a quick peek. You won't regret it.

He's so dreamy...

I don't think that there is a man or woman on this planet that DOESN'T appreciate the Old Spice Guy. Hes manliness and awesome given physical form. Only the Most Interesting Man in the World could possibly give him a run for his money.

Spoiler: I don't always compete to see who is the more handsome man...

But when I do...

 

[Vault101]

hence why most porn is for men

Porn isn't for anyone. Rather arrogant of you to assume what individuals can and cannot find arousing. All that does is feed into stereotypes and further reinforce the false notion that men and women are inherently different.

[spoiler/][/spoiler]

gah...jesus I'm sorry!

I didn't say "women can't get off on porn" I just ment that porn is made with a mainly male audience in mind regardless of who gets off on it

we all like different things anyhow

 

[solemnwar]

Not really. It's a "fantasy" sort of thing. If I ever did get into a relationship, I'd be monogamous. Although if my guy was up to try having a threesome with another guy at least once, I proooobably wouldn't say no. Just to see what it was like. As long as I don't find it gross I'll probably try it at least once. Although because I'm completely unfair I wouldn't say yes to a threesome with another lady. I find the thought of being intimate with another woman incredibly naeuseating. I'm also 90% sure I spelt that word wrong.

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

And monogamous, huh... We can continue this (potentially interesting) conversation in private if you'd prefer.

I was close! I just had one extra letter!
[sub]You have no idea how much I hate the word in all its forms.[/sub]

And spelt is totally a word, I checked up on it a few years ago!
See, proof, with references even: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spelt
[sub]Although I'm fairly forgiving with spelling since once upon a time spelling was not standardised and the monks and scribes basically spelt everything based on how it sounded. Mediaeval English Lit FTW![/sub]

Naw s'okay bro if I'm not gonna post it in public chances are I'm not gonna post it to a stranger, even in one-on-one, either |D

 

[lacktheknack]

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

You should eat more grains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

I'm sorry, I'll leave now.

Take your ancient spelt with you! Coming up in here, noun-ing at me.

But - But - I gots spelt pancaeks!

http://www.bonappetit.com/images/magazine/2011/07/spelt-pancakes-h.jpg

You can join me with my spelt pancakes and introduce yourself to the world of unexpected nouns. I won't even take off my shirt and nauseate you! Deal?

 

[Clearing the Eye]

porn is made with a mainly male audience in mind

[...]

we all like different things anyhow

So, it's made for men, but all men like different things, but women also like it, but they also like different things?

Why not just say porn is made for people that like it?

 

[Easton Dark]

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

You should eat more grains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

I'm sorry, I'll leave now.

Take your ancient spelt with you! Coming up in here, noun-ing at me.

But - But - I gots spelt pancaeks!

You can join me with my spelt pancakes and introduce yourself to the world of unexpected nouns. I won't even take off my shirt and nauseate you! Deal?

No. I hate spelt in all forms now. Good job.

I was close! I just had one extra letter!
[sub]You have no idea how much I hate the word in all its forms.[/sub]

And spelt is totally a word, I checked up on it a few years ago!
See, proof, with references even: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spelt
[sub]Although I'm fairly forgiving with spelling since once upon a time spelling was not standardised and the monks and scribes basically spelt everything based on how it sounded. Mediaeval English Lit FTW![/sub]

Naw s'okay bro if I'm not gonna post it in public chances are I'm not gonna post it to a stranger, even in one-on-one, either |D

It should be spelled! My world is crumbling!

Anyway, what if your guy would ask for a threesome with a chick, but required no breast-fondling on your part, and he just wanted to pleasure two at once? Would that work?

 

[Yopaz]

I can say for certain that I am not bisexual as I don't get turned on by men. Also you make the claim that as long as there's a physical stimulus anyone can get off with either gender. Actually women sometimes need more than physical stimulation to get off. In that case you also ignore those who are asexual.

 

[solemnwar]

*Nauseating. And while we're at it, spelt is not a word

You should eat more grains.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

I'm sorry, I'll leave now.

Take your ancient spelt with you! Coming up in here, noun-ing at me.

But - But - I gots spelt pancaeks!

You can join me with my spelt pancakes and introduce yourself to the world of unexpected nouns. I won't even take off my shirt and nauseate you! Deal?

No. I hate spelt in all forms now. Good job.

I was close! I just had one extra letter!
[sub]You have no idea how much I hate the word in all its forms.[/sub]

And spelt is totally a word, I checked up on it a few years ago!
See, proof, with references even: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spelt
[sub]Although I'm fairly forgiving with spelling since once upon a time spelling was not standardised and the monks and scribes basically spelt everything based on how it sounded. Mediaeval English Lit FTW![/sub]

Naw s'okay bro if I'm not gonna post it in public chances are I'm not gonna post it to a stranger, even in one-on-one, either |D

It should be spelled! My world is crumbling!

Anyway, what if your guy would ask for a threesome with a chick, but required no breast-fondling on your part, and he just wanted to pleasure two at once? Would that work?

Shh, shh, baby, it's okay, it's okay... *patpat* The British probably felt the same way when the americans murdered the "u" in colour. And then realised "Wait, we're the British. Fuck that, we'll do what we want."

And... eeeehhh... I don't know. I'd probably have to do a lot of thinking about it. While I can find women pleasing on an aesthetic level (you gotta admit, us women were made da-yum fiiiiine [sub]I'm sorry I'll never do that again[/sub]) sexually they do absolutely nothing for me, and in a sexual setting would probably just make me unhappy.

But these are all hypotheticals forever because the chances of me getting a boyfriend, nevermind laid, are fairly low due to a combination of high(ish) standards and some social anxiety and trust issues. The short story of which being, I've had a bad time with friends, why on earth would I give my heart to someone? :cccc /crawling in my skin these wounds they will not heal, etc, etc.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

As for "what's with women and smutty literature", well... generally, porn is geared towards men, not women (even the girl/girl stuff is geared towards men, not lesbians, while guy/guy porn (not yaoi, mind) tends to be geared towards gays). Whereas, there is an entire genre of literature that's geared towards women: romance novels. Seriously romance novels is basically our porn. Romance novels really are terrible, but we like them because it has sex AND love! Yay!
Not all romance novels, though. Some "tease", with sexual tension and whatnot, but either end before any consumation, or the consumation happens "off screen" as it were. Which pisses me off to no end.I WANT MY SMUT CLOSURE DAMMIT.

Romance novels are like 90% of fiction these days (or that's the way it seems). It's pretty depressing as someone who likes books that aren't about an average everygirl getting railed by an array of mythical creatures in the form of a hunky man.

Captcha: same same

I imagine some of it is more explicitly smutty than others...you could always try the internet but then you have to dig through the poorly written crap

I mean you can't rely on a book to provide you with...that...

What is it with women and smutty literature?
I mean seriously, as a writer my chances of being picked up by a publisher increase tenfold if I include a subplot about a smart young girl being fought over by a dreamy, adventurous hero and a roguishly charming rake.
It's like, the polar opposite of the gaming industry in terms of sexual pandering.

I think if one thing is clear its that female and male sexual attraction works slightly differently

personally I guess I'd find it better when those involved actually seem like theyre enjoying it

I subscribed to Felicia Day's Goodreads account a while ago. That girl reads nothing but trashy lady porn. I've even browsed a couple (for research, shut up) and let me tell you, it is no better written than male-oriented porn. I mean, bloody hell. At least male-oriented porn embraces its own schlocky awkwardness with punny titles and often rather hilariously bad premises. Lady porn tends to be a tragic collection of ever-dwindling metaphors for dicks and vaginas, which ends up being unintentionally comical ("...his bulbous throbbing truncheon...").

I just don't get why women eschew the visual element. I'm sure with the tens of thousands of female erotica writers, at least one or two must have penned an erotica screenplay. Why isn't there a strong market there?

 

[Vault101]

porn is made with a mainly male audience in mind

[...]

we all like different things anyhow

So, it's made for men, but all men like different things, but women also like it, but they also like different things?

Why not just say porn is made for people that like it?

...what the fuck are you talking about?

let me try again, much like Videogames it's generally accepted that the majority of the audience is men,

what does this mean?

I guess it means that there are things there than *generally* are more apealing to men and women

does that mean women don't wantch porn?..of coarse not!

[b/]we all like different things[/b] <-what did I mean by that? I ment that not all men like porn. not all women dislike porn and the internet tells us peopel are into all kinds of weird and wacky things...

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

What?

What you're saying is that, since grey exists, black and white cannot exist.

... OK.

YES! Finally someone who gets it. Because how can you be sure your notion of black is not really really really dark grey, and then you hold it up to some void which is actually black and go "Christ I've been wearing a grey shirt all this time and calling it black"!