Id respect the anti violent video game lobby.....

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girzwald

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If they ever actually played any or even more than one. I'm usually a big fan of Glenn beck (Please, as a side note, for the love all that is holy DO NOT turn this into an anti Glenn Beck, I hate Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck is an idiot, etc thread) but the guest he had on (Lt. Col Dave Grossman) and the segment he had on last night was pure garbage.

You can watch the segment(s) at the blaze.

The only video game footage they even showed as I could recall, was from manhunt 2. A subpar, "murder simulator". (I mean, if they wanted to show some graphic violence, ill wager most of us could think up 10 better examples in 30 seconds) This, and other games like GTA are the examples they always trot out. Its always about killing the innocent and how horrible it is. Yet they never show games where one could argue the killing is good. Is zelda a "murder simulator"? How about Metroid? Diablo? Or how about any other game where the objective is to kill things like monsters, demons, or people (who people like Beck or Grossman would agree that if real) would be evil and necessary to kill? Nope. Never.

Two of the highlights that struck me are. #1 Grossman not ok with violent pixels, because they train a reaction into "See target---->Shoot target". But ok with paintball, airsoft, hunting. Ever been shot with either? Depending on which they are and where you got shot, they can sting pretty bad and hurt. Ever hunt a deer? Lie in wait.....line up the shot...boom. But oh no thats not training people to into "See target----->shoot target" That aside from the fact that Grossman has literally wrote the book on how to turn people who are afraid to kill, into people not afraid to kill. Be it military, police, etc.

The second is really stupid and proves they don't play many games. They were talking about the sandy killer and hows its believed that he shot himself because the cops showed up. Beck might have had the right idea because he said (paraphrased) "Is it because the reality of the situation suddenly washed over him and he killed himself?" And than Grossman talks about how we are trained in that too from video games. How in video games "After they've killed the last person, after there is nobody else to kill, and after reality sets in. The magnitude of the horror hits them, and, the repercussions hit them, and one way to escape in many video games is to kill yourself, many video games the way to restart the game is to kill yourself. When everything goes bad *gunshot to the neck* kill yourself and game over."

You heard right folks, the sandy killer, and I surmise in a few years a huge wave of our generation will up and kill themselves, because that's what video games has taught us to do when things get too tough, or go wrong (and when there is no one else to kill, of course). And this guy, is a psychology professor.

"Why did he kill himself?"
"I don't know, he was just playing a newly released Bethesda game..."
"Damn, 3rd one this week"
 

Zhukov

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I'd actually like to have a chat with that Grossman fellow. I read his book some years back and thought it was pretty good. Got its point across well.

My problem with their reasoning is that even if games can override a human's aversion to killing, that doesn't make them want to kill. It just makes them psychologically able to if they decide they're going to.
 

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Well what is there to respect when someone is commenting and trying to influence subjects of which they are completely ignorant, and not ignorant by mistake but by choice, and not only do they choose to stay completely ignorant but they knowingly spread ignorance to keep their agenda going.
These people are not in it to resolve a single thing they are there to light the fire and keep it burning for their interest.

So what is there to respect when the entire agenda is a lie.
 

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You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.

Of course these idiots don't know jack shit about fucking video games and they're speaking out only to pour gas on the fire of a tired debate.
 

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Of course right wing pundits are going to want to blame video games; to them it's better than blaming the people who defend the right every maniac has to own an assault rifle. This happens every time a group is desperate to not blame themselves: they instead blame video games, rap music, D&D games, rock music, comic books, or jazz music.
This is just another example of Glenn Beck's paranoia.
 

Zipa

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Its pretty simple really, same old story as generations past. The newest form of media that is generally popular with young people is blamed for the moral degradation of society by old people who do not understand and fear said form of media. These things make convenient targets and scapegoats for usually unrelated things.

It used to be rock music 50 or so years ago now its video games and/or the internet. It will switch to something else eventually when the older generations blaming them die out and are replaced with younger generations.

You never know though, eventually someone may actually start to look at the real issue, people with mental health problems that go unnoticed and untreated that eventually snap. (Not saying that everyone who has mental health issues is a nut job just waiting to shoot up a school, just that certain ones slip the net and it ends in tragedy. )
 

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I didn't know there was an anti games lobby, I thought it was just a bunch of random politicians who ranted and railed about games when something bad happened so they could appear like they were 'doing something'. I doubt there's some concerted lobby effort to somehow put a stop to all these games.
Its a given that with 7 billion rabid idiots plauging the face of Earth that at least some of them are going to have a minority opinion, however outlandish.

Heck, a few years ago i met someone who was fully convinced that he was a god.
 

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Zack84 said:
You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.
Go take a hike.

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

And yes you goddamn have. I've never met a dedicated Beck hater that's actually read the books and watched full episodes of the show, people who have are mostly just annoyed by him, or like him, and I have no reason to doubt that you're any exception.

OT: It would be fun trying to find a "murder simulator" for them to blame if we asked them to find one that wasn't Manhunt.
 

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Oh wow, OP, you just discovered that Glenn Beck and his related networks is a complete piece of Shit. Congrats.

If you look even farther you will discover that EVERYTHING he says is just like that.

"THE MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!" *shows pictures of violent people in the Middle East*

"THE LIBERALCOMMIEFASCISTS (read: the Jews) ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!" *harasses the only 'liberal' rich guy*

"VIDEO GAMES ARE KILLING OUR CHILDREN!!!" *shows pictures of the most violent games that hardly anyone actually played*

This isn't the fist time either he has taken on the subject of video games. If you must know from what I recollect he sees video games (much like Alex Jones) as a form of mind control to turn average red blooded white males into dependent sissies which are too distracted to take on the ever Evil Super Devil named HOLLYWOOD LIBERAL and his gang of COMMIE MUSLIM FASCISTS.

In the meantime you should stock up on gold and survivalist gear for one down payment of $3499.99 for all your end of the world needs.
 

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Zack84 said:
You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.

Of course these idiots don't know jack shit about fucking video games and they're speaking out only to pour gas on the fire of a tired debate.
As lacking of tact as this is, its kind of hard not to agree.

I mean, this is the same guy who said he wanted to KILL Micheal Moore, we're supposed to trust, or even consider, his opinion on games and violence?

If you like Glenn Beck as more than a walking pile of laughs and conspiracy theories then your a tad deluded.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Zack84 said:
You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.
Go take a hike.

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

And yes you goddamn have. I've never met a dedicated Beck hater that's actually read the books and watched full episodes of the show, people who have are mostly just annoyed by him, or like him, and I have no reason to doubt that you're any exception.

OT: It would be fun trying to find a "murder simulator" for them to blame if we asked them to find one that wasn't Manhunt.
Intentionally Inflammatory doesn't make it not stupid

The Westboro Baptist Church is intentionally inflammatory, does that make what they do totally okay to?
 

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lacktheknack said:
Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.
You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.
 

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Who is Glenn Beck? A talk show host?

There is a tonne of anti-game bullshit in the UK at the moment too. Some lady who used to work at the the Times (and the Times is usually pretty respectable) was on the radio the other day saying that "billions, literally billions, were spent making games addictive" and that her "five year old son was addicted to a racing game on my husband's iphone" and then she paused as if this was some devastating argument against computer gaming. Then the interviewer said, "yes, I see" and then I shouted at the radio and felt ashamed for doing so because it represented a lost of calm and achieved nothing.
Some people hold such hilarious double standards, addictive (or indeed repetitive) behaviour is in EVERYTHING. Hell I'm sure her husband spends just as much time jabbing at his iphone as her son does playing the game. Of course if you enjoy something you are going to do it repeatedly, addiction marks doing it compulsively and no longer enjoying it.

And of course you can legitimately call a five-year-old 'addicted'.

Just sounds like someone who's afraid of videogames, more than anything else, isn't willing to understand that they're equivalent to any other form of entertainment, and that includes literature, Times readers.

Perhaps it's churlish of me to judge her when she hasn't given any context as to what she means by 'addicted', but I reckon it still applies, when was this on the radio?

Keith Vaz MP can fuck off as well, while we're on the subject.
 

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Quadocky said:
lacktheknack said:
Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.
You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.
Just like you don't have to play videogames to know that they are dangerously violent and corrupting the minds of the children?

I'm kidding of course, but it does look a bit hypocritical to say that in this thread.
 

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What People Took Away From This Thread:

Glen Beck

OT: Yes, we all agree that it is nothing more than scapegoating from people who don't know what they are talking about.

Capatcha: Yada Yada
This seems eerily appropriate.
 

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Quadocky said:
lacktheknack said:
Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.
You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.
Re. Read. My. Damned. Post.

Saviordd1 said:
lacktheknack said:
Zack84 said:
You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.
Go take a hike.

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

And yes you goddamn have. I've never met a dedicated Beck hater that's actually read the books and watched full episodes of the show, people who have are mostly just annoyed by him, or like him, and I have no reason to doubt that you're any exception.

OT: It would be fun trying to find a "murder simulator" for them to blame if we asked them to find one that wasn't Manhunt.
Intentionally Inflammatory doesn't make it not stupid

The Westboro Baptist Church is intentionally inflammatory, does that make what they do totally okay to?
I JUST SAID he's not stupid. I don't like his show, but his books are perfectly fine. I don't agree with some of it, but they're fine. Comparing him to the WBC is like comparing the pro-life lobby with Al Qaeda: Regardless of what you think of either, it's completely stupid.

Reading comprehension: It plunges the instant the name "Glenn Beck" is uttered. Try harder, internet.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Quadocky said:
lacktheknack said:
Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.
You don't have to even read any of his books or watch his show to discover he is a complete piece of shit.
Re. Read. My. Damned. Post.

Saviordd1 said:
lacktheknack said:
Zack84 said:
You lost all credibility and should now cease to ever open your mouth after admitting to being a big fan of Glenn Beck.
Go take a hike.

Glenn Beck actually has defensible positions and thought processes behind them, as can easily be seen if you read any of his books. But you can't CONCEIVE of this, because you've based all your opinions off of a few bad clips you've seen off his purposefully inflammatory show. PROTIP: It's intentionally inflammatory.

And yes you goddamn have. I've never met a dedicated Beck hater that's actually read the books and watched full episodes of the show, people who have are mostly just annoyed by him, or like him, and I have no reason to doubt that you're any exception.

OT: It would be fun trying to find a "murder simulator" for them to blame if we asked them to find one that wasn't Manhunt.
Intentionally Inflammatory doesn't make it not stupid

The Westboro Baptist Church is intentionally inflammatory, does that make what they do totally okay to?
I JUST SAID he's not stupid. I don't like his show, but his books are perfectly fine. I don't agree with some of it, but they're fine. Comparing him to the WBC is like comparing the pro-life lobby with Al Qaeda: Regardless of what you think of either, it's completely stupid.

Reading comprehension: It plunges the instant the name "Glenn Beck" is uttered. Try harder, internet.
I don't give a shit if he wrote fucking war and peace 2 in his spare time.

This is a man who openly admits he wants to murder people, calls victims of 9/11 whiners, and calls our president a racist.

Why would I WANT to read his book? Beyond that he has co-authors on some of them to help reel in his shit. What he presents to the public is what he'll get judged on, and he presents a whack job to the public.