Ideas on the legal drinking age.

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It's 18 at the moment and that's about right, alot of people think it should be lowered to 16 in pubs, but legal age 18 means that 16 year olds can drink in pubs, if it where down to 16 we'd have 14 year olds getting pissed up in our pubs.

I'm 16, British and an occasional pub goer.

Americans will find this post perplexing I'm guessing, but it really is a 100% different culture here.

As for people who think the age should be put up, you're disillusioned if you think it will solve any of the problems you think it will.

JaredXE said:
I kinda want them to lower it to 15 or so like european countries where their kids learn about it at a younger age and so don't go crazy(coupled with strict DUI laws over there).

But then I though, why not raise it? Make the legal drinking age to be 30. Then we'll have a rash of underage binging by all the idiot kids, while those that have brain cells live on. We'd be able to put a substantial dent in the idiot, not-worthwhile person population.


I LIKE that idea. Make all drugs legal too, then we'll REALLY kill off all the idiots.
No offense to my good man here, but look at his post and his attitude to booze, then compare it to mine, or as a matter of fact, afew of the other European posts. Your post really makes it sound like drinking is this really bad thing and you're really demonizing it and saying it's an idiots thing to do. Alcohol does seem to be this big, bad, scary thing in American, judging from what I've seen people on internet forums write (so I could be completely wrong).

Whereas in the UK everyone can handle abit of a casual drink by age 16 and it's nothing to really get excited about, it's just a normal part of life as such, no one really gets worked up about it, everyone from the super cool people, to the nerd crew will be no stranger to the odd couple of beers.

As I said, I'll go down the pub and have a drink with friends maybe twice a fortnight if I can afford it (Though it's usually more like once, due to me not having any money), and you don't think I'm an idiot, do you Jared? :p

But yea, no offense to Jared or any Americans intended, I'm just saying the difference in attitude is pretty interesting as it is such a big difference.
 

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Dark Templar said:
gof22 said:
I myself personally believe if you are below 21 and in the military it should be legal for you to drink. If your old enough to kill and die for your country you are old enough to drink. That is just my opinion though.

I would like to hear other peoples ideas as well. Perhaps get a nice discussion going about different ideas.
Um........here in america it is.

If you are 18 and in the military you can drink on base.
Damn, if they ever need more people in the Army, all they need to do is publicise this and make the alcohol on base free.

You'd have tens of thousands of kids willing to do anything to get hammered regularly.

I think also someone had a serious point about most people not being able to drink sensibly until they're in their early 20s at least, you won't find many 16 year olds getting a bottle of vodka, mixing a couple of shots with some orange juice, and then going 'well, that's enough for me, see you next week chaps!'

At least in Britain it seems to be a case of spend a few years from the age of about 15 doing everything you can to get blind drunk at every opportunity, then after a few years, you just...grow out of it , I guess.
 

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18 in the UK.

People will drink underage no matter what the age is, so it's fine where it is.
 

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not every part of europe, saying that the certain age for drinking is for europe altogether is incredibly stupid as europe is indeed a big fucking place. As far as the age for drinking is concerned i believe it shouldn't be until mid to late twenties, as you end up with alot of teen alcoholics who haven't comprehended how powerful and addictive alcohol is
 

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I'm voting for 25 being drinking age.

However, the main thing is that each person develops differently, so their tolerance for alcohol will develop differently, too. If there were some physical, scientific test available, I'd be all for that. You go in, pay, have the test performed on you, and then, if you pass, you're able to apply for a drinking license. I mean, they have licenses for driving, fishing, hunting, etc. Why not drinking?

Edit: For the record, I'm 27 and have never had so much as a beer in my life, except a sip of my dad's when I was 10 and hated it.
 

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Steambroom said:
Supreme Unleaded said:
Steambroom said:
16 for Beer and Wine or winebased drinks
18 for the liqour

Works pretty well here.
Can i guess you live in Ireland...
Nope, it's Germany. :D
aww damn, my friend went to ireland and he got drunk 3 times, he's 16 so i just guessed. Whatever I guessed i the same continent at least.
 

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I'm happy where the drinking age is, there was talk it was going to be moved up to 21 in the UK but tbh they can't stop 14 year olds getting alcohol and getting drunk in parks, i doubt that moving the age up is going to work. Also if i'm old enough to vote, drive, work and actually be told i am an adult by the government unless your student finance grrr then i think i'm old enough to drink. Then again i don't really see the point in drinking, i like wine because i like the taste but not really hard on the going out and getting trashed.
edit: I noticed someone mentioned about Italy and France where they are brought up with wine and beer as food and i agree with this. I was brought up with the idea what beer and wine is really mundane and quite boring so when i drink its kind alike mmm this tastes nice and thats it. I don't see the wonder of alcohol to be honest, it makes you feel incredibily sick after you've had too much and could potentially kill you if you drink too much. So i think children should just be brought up with the idea that drink isn't this amazing thing thats forbidden and its actually quite dull.
 

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3rd rung said:
Well that says more about what the age to join the military should be. But on the legal age to drink I think should be higher the human brain is not fully developed till 25 and allowing people to drink does in fact active stunt the brain development. So I am on the side od raising the drinking age not lowering.

Also on a side note I am 21, if that makes a difference
I am in complete agreement, and can only give kudos

VanityGirl said:
Here's my take on it.
If the US did lower the drinking age to 18, I think for a while there would be a few dumb kids who would go out and get trashed and get thrown in jail...
BUT, if you think about it, maybe kids under the age of 21 already drink. Some of the kids' parent's even BUY them alcohol. After high school graduation, maybe of the students go to house parties and get trashed anyways, so why not make it legal so you don't have to arrest kids on the night of their lives?

Seems like a weak arguement, yes, but I lived in Singapore were the drinking age was 18 and I couldn't see many problems with it. Considering Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, yet the drinking ae is 18 should be reflective on how they handle things.

If the drinking age IS lowered, I think there should be harsher punishments in place for people who are caught drinking and drink or selling alcohol to minors. The more harsh the punishment, the less likely people are to do those kinds of things.


Although, I couldn't care less about the drinking age, I'd rather the GAMBLING age to be lower to 18. When I was in Holland I won 60 Euros in the casino, which isn't bad since I went in with 20. (I was broke). You can't gamble in America till you're 21. That is so lame.
Um... I don't know much about Singapore, but I do know that most European countries (with their lower and graduated drinking ages) actually have comparable, and in many cases higher, rates of binge drinking and alcoholism. I can find the studies (there have been about fifteen threads like this since in the time I've been a member), but suffice it to say that there's no conclusive evidence that lowering the drinking age helps, and a lot of evidence to say that it doesn't.

And I couldn't disagree more with your argument that "people are doing it anyway, so we shouldn't have to arrest them". People use prostitutes, should we decriminalize it? People snort cocaine, does that mean it's not bad? We arrest kids on the "night of their life" because they still broke the law. If you're okay with the law being broken, that's fine, but the solution to unlawful behavior isn't simply to warp the law to suit the actions of those who would break it.

And, if it is, I've really got to start working on my cocaine business.

Freakydemon said:
Legal Drinking Age in Europe : 16
Eat your heart out America !
Edit: 18 if you like the harder stuff like whiskey, etc...
Yep, 'cause if Europe does it, it must be a good idea. Well, except the whole laundry list of really bad ideas... And the fact that the lower drinking age does bugger all to encourage more responsible drinking habits.

Links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking (the binge drinking rate in America is 44% of college students. In the U.K it's 54% of 15-16 year-olds, Denmark is at 60% of 15-16 year olds).

http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/papers/europe/phproject/bingedrinking-report.pdf (Similar information, same high rates of binging in europe).

I can find a bunch more links if you'd like, but the evidence is pretty compelling:

Lowered drinking ages provide no greater tendency toward "responsible" drinking. Kids want to get drunk, period. How does decriminalizing it help?
 

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I'd say 18 for us males, 21 for females. Not being sexist or anything, but I have not yet met a single girl who doesn't annoy the crap out of me when they're drunk.. Screaming, crying, throwing up.. Jesus, it's irritating.
 

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Baby Tea said:
I think it's fine where it is.
Of course, I also think drinking is a complete waste of money, so I might not be the best person to ask.
You know whats also a waste of money?

Soda and snacks.
 

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I don't really think the government should have that big a role in deciding what is safe and moral and what isn't. I'm not against a drinking age, but I'm 100% opposed to the idea of limiting the sale of certain goods to people after they become a legal adult. 18 should be the highest possible age required, if only to prevent too many idiot high schoolers from drinking and driving.
 

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I'm 23 and in the American military (pretty sure it depends entirely on your unit's command whether or not you can drink on base). I used to agree with this argument of "Old enough to fight, kill, bleed, and die for your country? Old enough to drink."

But then I realized that if the drinking age was lowered to 18, then they'd be let into bars and clubs too. And I'll be damned if I want to go to a bar and drink with a bunch of 18 and 19 year olds! Seriously. Leave the drinking age where it is, so our social scenes aren't inundated with rowdy, immature teenagers!
 

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Seldon2639 said:
3rd rung said:
Well that says more about what the age to join the military should be. But on the legal age to drink I think should be higher the human brain is not fully developed till 25 and allowing people to drink does in fact active stunt the brain development. So I am on the side od raising the drinking age not lowering.

Also on a side note I am 21, if that makes a difference
I am in complete agreement, and can only give kudos

VanityGirl said:
Here's my take on it.
If the US did lower the drinking age to 18, I think for a while there would be a few dumb kids who would go out and get trashed and get thrown in jail...
BUT, if you think about it, maybe kids under the age of 21 already drink. Some of the kids' parent's even BUY them alcohol. After high school graduation, maybe of the students go to house parties and get trashed anyways, so why not make it legal so you don't have to arrest kids on the night of their lives?

Seems like a weak arguement, yes, but I lived in Singapore were the drinking age was 18 and I couldn't see many problems with it. Considering Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, yet the drinking ae is 18 should be reflective on how they handle things.

If the drinking age IS lowered, I think there should be harsher punishments in place for people who are caught drinking and drink or selling alcohol to minors. The more harsh the punishment, the less likely people are to do those kinds of things.


Although, I couldn't care less about the drinking age, I'd rather the GAMBLING age to be lower to 18. When I was in Holland I won 60 Euros in the casino, which isn't bad since I went in with 20. (I was broke). You can't gamble in America till you're 21. That is so lame.
Um... I don't know much about Singapore, but I do know that most European countries (with their lower and graduated drinking ages) actually have comparable, and in many cases higher, rates of binge drinking and alcoholism. I can find the studies (there have been about fifteen threads like this since in the time I've been a member), but suffice it to say that there's no conclusive evidence that lowering the drinking age helps, and a lot of evidence to say that it doesn't.

And I couldn't disagree more with your argument that "people are doing it anyway, so we shouldn't have to arrest them". People use prostitutes, should we decriminalize it? People snort cocaine, does that mean it's not bad? We arrest kids on the "night of their life" because they still broke the law. If you're okay with the law being broken, that's fine, but the solution to unlawful behavior isn't simply to warp the law to suit the actions of those who would break it.

And, if it is, I've really got to start working on my cocaine business.

Freakydemon said:
Legal Drinking Age in Europe : 16
Eat your heart out America !
Edit: 18 if you like the harder stuff like whiskey, etc...
Yep, 'cause if Europe does it, it must be a good idea. Well, except the whole laundry list of really bad ideas... And the fact that the lower drinking age does bugger all to encourage more responsible drinking habits.

Links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking (the binge drinking rate in America is 44% of college students. In the U.K it's 54% of 15-16 year-olds, Denmark is at 60% of 15-16 year olds).

http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/papers/europe/phproject/bingedrinking-report.pdf (Similar information, same high rates of binging in europe).

I can find a bunch more links if you'd like, but the evidence is pretty compelling:

Lowered drinking ages provide no greater tendency toward "responsible" drinking. Kids want to get drunk, period. How does decriminalizing it help?
Yeah Britain does have a problem, but I live in Belgium :p
Also your argument of kids just want to get drunk is very true, but then again, so do most teenagers/young adults...
Ow and btw, Europe is pretty much owning the US at the moment, how's your fancy dollar now friend? How's you're frigging economy going? How's your healthcare? How's the South? I could go on for some minutes here but I think I've made my point by now.
 

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Freakydemon said:
Yeah Britain does have a problem, but I live in Belgium :p
Also your argument of kids just want to get drunk is very true, but then again, so do most teenagers/young adults...
Ow and btw, Europe is pretty much owning the US at the moment, how's your fancy dollar now friend? How's you're frigging economy going? How's your healthcare? How's the South? I could go on for some minutes here but I think I've made my point by now.
Well, the dollar's down. Though, so's the Euro, and the world economy is sucking a bit. On the other hand, we still have an economy comparable to the entirety of the European Union, and we're still the driving force of the world technologically (look at those nobel prizes in science, friend), militarily (the new joint-strike fighter jet is being developed where?), and medically (look at where the pharmaceutical companies are located). We also don't take two months of vacation, nor have an unemployment rate anywhere near France's. The south's doing fine, really, though we do have crazy people (same as anywhere). Oh, and you know that whole "national defense" thing you guys aren't picking up the tab for? Don't worry, we'll cover you. And eastern Europe, and the UN, and really any time you effete dandies want to have someone step in somewhere with boots on the ground. I don't see many Belgians in NATO joint task forces... Or UN peacekeeping forces. Oh, and we still pay a huge amount of the money that goes to the UN in general... And to the WTO, and the World Health Organization.

But, yeah, excluding all of that we're really getting owned by Europe. I guess we're totally wrong, and we should be more like Europe.
 

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Seldon2639 said:
Freakydemon said:
Yeah Britain does have a problem, but I live in Belgium :p
Also your argument of kids just want to get drunk is very true, but then again, so do most teenagers/young adults...
Ow and btw, Europe is pretty much owning the US at the moment, how's your fancy dollar now friend? How's you're frigging economy going? How's your healthcare? How's the South? I could go on for some minutes here but I think I've made my point by now.
Well, the dollar's down. Though, so's the Euro, and the world economy is sucking a bit. On the other hand, we still have an economy comparable to the entirety of the European Union, and we're still the driving force of the world technologically (look at those nobel prizes in science, friend), militarily (the new joint-strike fighter jet is being developed where?), and medically (look at where the pharmaceutical companies are located). We also don't take two months of vacation, nor have an unemployment rate anywhere near France's. The south's doing fine, really, though we do have crazy people (same as anywhere). Oh, and you know that whole "national defense" thing you guys aren't picking up the tab for? Don't worry, we'll cover you. And eastern Europe, and the UN, and really any time you effete dandies want to have someone step in somewhere with boots on the ground. I don't see many Belgians in NATO joint task forces... Or UN peacekeeping forces. Oh, and we still pay a huge amount of the money that goes to the UN in general... And to the WTO, and the World Health Organization.

But, yeah, excluding all of that we're really getting owned by Europe. I guess we're totally wrong, and we should be more like Europe.
Your dollar sank the deepest of both mentioned currencies, you idiots even started this whole economic mess with your idiotic free-market and taking loans you can't pay back. Of course you've got an economy almost equal to Europe's, you're almost the size of Europe and with it massive amounts of resources and workers. But then again with the economic "dip" you're unemployment is 9.8% and that's about 30 million people without a job... France's 7% is +- 4.550.000 people, it's high but not as dramatic as the US rate.

Medically and technologically Europe is also doing fine and compared to you're massive amount of space, workers and resources, even better. I think you're forgetting that a huge part of Europe's industry is based on technology development and production of it, just mentioning Belgium, Ireland, Sweden and Germany. You know we actually helped with your stemcell research? And that a Flemish prof actually discovered a great deal about it? Just google: Catherine Verfaillie.

Have no idea what you mean with the 2 months of vacation, you mean for schools or what do you mean?
The south's doing fine and there are crazy people everywhere ... yeah you guys are the leading country in producing retards, Hillbillies in the south, republicans, your god damn ego of we're the best country in the world, no universal healthcare), you can buy weapons and ammo like it's normal in the US, enormous amount of corruption and criminality, most people there are homophobes, highest percentage of religious fanatics and idiots, a whole country based on a "supreme being" your presidents can fuck up everything and say :"God bless America" every freaking speech and you idiots would still cheer and your schools are very, very pathetic, you tards spend enormous amounts of money in the big sport stadiums and training halls but not enough in your education system, result: your basic education is below the average of Europe's and especially that of Belgium. Did you know Belgium has actually 1 of the best education systems of the world? But I'm not being ignorant and I'm willing to admit that there are good universities in the US, but basic education is lacking.

How hypocrite of you, just like the rest of your country btw but ok, you spend millions on the UN and now you're the big good American? You invade numerous countries to help the "government" and say they are a threat to national security. You bomb the hell out of innocent people and you're saviours? You invade Vietnam and bomb every piece of jungle with napalm and agent orange, killing thousands of innocents and you're the god damn saviours???
You invade Korea, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan (With this one I have to admit we're also there, Afghanistan has a chance to change but still, I'm not proud of nor would I want any of use there...), Cuba, ... the list keeps on going. And in most cases it's just to annoy and taunt Russia indirectly or any communist faction. You're a warmongering nation and you should feel ashamed of yourself. But no ! Let's glorify the whole the thing, it's good that we kill innocent men, women and children! So don't come here and say you're the big defenders of freedom you lousy hypocrite bastards...

The NATO HQ was built in Brussels and we play an active role, but then again we're a small country with a small army that we only use for peacekeeping and humanitarian operations
(Blue Helmets, mine sweeping, protection, sending food/water, helping to build infrastructure, schools, hospitals, etc...). So we're not doing anything in the UN and NATO according to you? Well my dear boy, you're information is truly terrible.
So if we don't go killing people with guns blazing like the Americans we're not helping?
This just proved another aspect of your sickening country.

And again at the end of your little post you say that you give millions to the UN. You're repeating yourself, is it the only good thing you actually did? And it's just another way of trying to keep up your image of being friendly lads who want to help the world.
So yeah, you donate a lot of money, woohoo, so does every other country in Europe and outside of it, oh and by the way we started like most of the biggest humanitarian organisations on the planet : Médecins Sans Frontières, Amnesty International, 11 11 11, Emergency Nutrition Network, Damien Fund, Red Cross, Oxfam, etc... it's a little more than what you mentioned don't you think? And this is just European operations which we finance, didn't even mention non-European.

But, yeah, including all of that, you're getting owned, and being more like Europe would help the world a lot.