Jamash said:
Shaved Apple said:
Personally i would hit a girl if she walked up to me and punched me in the face if I didn't know her.
This sounds like premeditated revenge and makes you seem like someone who hates women and is just waiting for an excuse to punch them.
No, it doesn't. You've assumed their motives. Now, if someone properly hits me in the face, they'll likely hit my jaw, cheekbones, or nose. All of those are relatively fragile, and all are going to hurt if hit.
Someone saying they'd punch someone back is revenge, yes. It isn't premeditated if you immediately strike them back, there's no planning involved. Premeditation is cold-blooded planning with intention and fore-thought. You don't know words.
Also, assuming someone striking someone back is simply a woman hater is stupid. You're a sexist, since you seem to think that it's wrong for a person to hit a woman who attacks him, and that makes them hate women. Can't they just be a regular, vengeful asshole like the rest of us?
I wouldn't punch a woman if they punched me, because apart from revenge, there's no reason to punch them back.
1) Self defense. There's no reason to think a woman can't pose you a threat. I've known some who could easily kick my ass. Gender really doesn't decide your response.
2) Why are we dismissing revenge? As you said, it is a reason. A petty, vicious reason. Oh wait, humans are often petty and vicious. That doesn't justify it, but I'm hardly going to say that someone who punches me has the right not to be punched by me, they lost that when they ignored my right not to be punched. As collaborative members of society, by not fucking with each other, we reserve our right not to be fucked with.
As they say: "Your right to extend your fist ends right before my face."
If I'm still standing after being sucker punched, then they're obviously not an immediate threat and for me to punch them back would vengeful and a use of excessive force.
Your force doesn't by necessity exceed their's, so it's not really exceeding theirs. It's no more force than the situation requires, so again, it's not excessive.
I've been randomly attacked by strangers before, both sucker punched and also headbutted in the face, but apart from being bemused and slightly shocked at what just happened, I didn't feel threatened enough to need to punch them back.
Doubtfull on the headbutt. If anyone really goes at you with a headbutt, they don't just walk away leaving you bemused. It:
1) Hurts like hell, more often knocking you on your ass.
2) People who go to the effort of a headbutt are usually pissed off and attempting something serious. It's not exactly the hit-and-run of the hand to hand world.
But yes, often the most responsible thing to do is not be violent and not cause a brawl, or any sort of fisticuffs (Great word, that).
If anyone, regardless of gender, attacks me, I wouldn't punch them unless I believed my life was in immediate danger.
Good for you. Neither would I. (Well, Life and quality of life, maiming is out of the question).
That still doesn't explain why the poor fellow you quoted is a misogynist. Vengeful? Maybe. A woman-hater? That's just rude.
However if they continued their attack and became more than an annoyance, I would defend myself and restrain/stop them without resorting to striking their head with great force.
You're assuming you could definitely restrain them without striking them. That's kind of weird. Most people really aren't that easily restrained, unless you're much bigger than them (In which case, judging smaller people for the necessities of their actions is extremely rude), and sometimes, you may need to hit someone in the head. That said, no-one said anything about "Great Force" or even "Force exceeding what I was attacked with". They just said they'd hit her back. They didn't even say where they'd hit her.