If being transexual is so dangerous, why would anybody go in for that lifestyle?
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Why not? If someone wants to change their gender I see nothing wrong with it. They shouldn't be harassed or assaulted because of it. Personally I think the people that harass or assault transgender people should be beaten with a 2x4 a few times upside the head.
Worse for some of us. The pressure from other trans people I've known to get surgical gender reassignment is some of the less harmful, but most common harassment I get. Heck I get it from some non-trans people too.xmbts said:
I'm pretty sure plenty of people live in stealth for this very reason, which I still respect; not everyone needs to be a martyr. But, it's important to remember that it's the people doing the hating that are at fault.
Oh, and I'm calling it now, this thread will turn into several pages of bickering like every other trans-related thread on this site.
Oh, and I'm calling it now, this thread will turn into several pages of bickering like every other trans-related thread on this site.
Translation:Drathnoxis said:
Why be yourself when you can be what others want you to be?
Why live your own life when you can nicely fit into a box and stay there?
It's not like you can just change the way your brain works.
Why do mentally ill people insist on being mentally ill?
Don't they know that there's a lot of suffering that comes from that?
They should just quit it and become normal.
I didn't mean to imply that trans people are not trans from birth. I was using the second trans in that sentence as a verb, as in transition, maybe I should have been more clear.MarsAtlas said:
EDIT: I was wondering if your numbers for suicide rates made a distinction of transsexuals who were openly transsexual and ones who were not.
Okay, anyone who actually believes gender is a social construct is an idiot. Gender is a hard, genetic, biological construct. It is very much a real thing that exists. Gender roles, however, those are entirely a social and cultural construct that varies widely with the individual society and culture in question.Kopikatsu said:
As for transsexuals, I think that is also a biological issue. I don't know if any major studies have been done on it yet (I know it actually being accepted as a real thing is relatively new, and studies like this do take time), but I would put my money on it being similar to the various kinds of sexualities. Something to do with brain chemistry and things just, not being wired up quite the same as the majority of that gender. That means that they have no choice in the matter, they can't change how they were born, so they should absolutely have the right to pursue happiness if whichever way they see fit.
Not that there aren't some weird gray areas as well. Cross-dressing, and men and women being overly effeminate or masculine aren't necessarily the same thing as being transsexual, but they do muddy the issue. They could possibly be different variations of the same sort of thing (brain chemistry and genetics and such), but once again, I don't really know of a major study that's been done on that, so I just don't know. When you get into brain chemistry and genetics, you're really starting to get into some primal sorts of forces that we still barely understand on more than a broad, macro level.
I would say part of the problem is that most people are not equipped to deal with trans people when they meet them in real life, and thus their behavior will just come off as insulting or persecutive. Case in point, I have zero problems with trans people, but if I ever met one, I am 100% sure I would almost immediately make some kind of faux pas that would terribly offend them courtesy of the fact that I am inexperienced with dealing them. I have no idea if they would prefer if I asked them about their condition or not, if I asked which gender pronoun they prefer or even whether I should hold eye-contact with them (and thus appear confrontational) or avoid eye contact (and thus appear rude and disgusted). Hell, it's not even just trans people, I often have this kind of problem with "normal" people as well...Dalisclock said:
Also, humans are naturally averse of the unusual. Human social constructs at all levels have been often centered around building an image of "the group" and "the other", and in turn encountering something "other" oftentimes enough to get the rest of the people present to consider themselves "the group" and by default be antagonistic towards the outlier. Sadly this is pretty much hardwired into the human brain and you need steady exposure since one's formative years to overwrite it, something we obviously don't have since the whole trans issue is relatively recent.
So... what you are saying is that trans people are horribly misguided and need to have it explained to them that the "elective" in elective surgery means that they aren't actually forced to do it. Thanks for agreeing, we need to spread that word that trans people can keep their head down, blend in, and not make themselves a target. We'll save lives!BloatedGuppy said:
No it's not really elective to many trans people, it's part of gender dysphoria. Some trans people are so alienated by their birth plumbing, that changing it is the only that prevents them from committing suicide. It's extreme measures, but it's also an extreme problem that doesn't just go away by talking about it.Drathnoxis said:
The idea of trying to fit into society as a man for me, on the other hand is a question of putting my self in to a very alienating situation. Sure I'm not going to get gender reassignment, but that also doesn't mean that I function as a man, or see my self that way. Also while wearing women's clothing is a choice, it's also how I'm comfortable. Seriously I feel out of place, and strangely enough, naked when I'm wearing pants, regardless of the gender they're for.
Also saving trans lives? I opt to pack some ten round .45 calibre heat as often as possible. Makes a great deterrent when someone decides they're going to attempt to threaten my life.
I spent my whole life in hiding. Being afraid of what people would do to me if they found out. My stepdad once told me he would kill me if I turned out to be trans, which is what really did it.
Tried to ignore it for years. Couldn't do it, I was in pain the entire time. I took the risk and let people know. Now I'm on hormones and I feel SO much better, even though that's the most I've done so far. (I'm only about 3 months in)
I can't speak for everyone of course but for me, not going in for it, was impossible. It's easy to say "just ignore it" when you aren't trans yourself, but for those of us who are, we just can't do it.
Tried to ignore it for years. Couldn't do it, I was in pain the entire time. I took the risk and let people know. Now I'm on hormones and I feel SO much better, even though that's the most I've done so far. (I'm only about 3 months in)
I can't speak for everyone of course but for me, not going in for it, was impossible. It's easy to say "just ignore it" when you aren't trans yourself, but for those of us who are, we just can't do it.