If I didnt like Oblivion, could I like Skyrim?

[Nomanslander]

I'm hoping after Fallout 3, it's had some influence on Bethesda on how to make a generally FPS mode game more fun.

Because I didn't like Oblivion all that much also...=/

 

[ScumbagEddie]

From what I've read, they're implementing many features from Fallout 3 and Vegas into Skyrim. Couple of my friends think that having the perk system in an Elder Scrolls game is stupid, but I think it might heighten the game experience. In all honesty, wait til a friend buys it, then borrow it, or rent it for a few days before you come to a decision.

 

[Leadfinger]

I loved Morrowind because it was so immersive. There were a couple of things that spoiled that for me in Oblivion. One thing was that the environments in Oblivion were very repetitive. One town was very much like another, the quest areas in Oblivion were basically identical to each other. The other thing was the level scaling system that brought you absurdities such as super goblins and bandits with glass armor. I couldn't avoid the feeling that Oblivion had been dumbded down for a, shall we say, younger audience. So if Skyrim is more of a return to its TES roots I think it can be a great game.

 

[Trolldor]

I loved Morrowind because it was so immersive. There were a couple of things that spoiled that for me in Oblivion. One thing was that the environments in Oblivion were very repetitive. One town was very much like another, the quest areas in Oblivion were basically identical to each other. The other thing was the level scaling system that brought you absurdities such as super goblins and bandits with glass armor. I couldn't avoid the feeling that Oblivion had been dumbded down for a, shall we say, younger audience. So if Skyrim is more of a return to its TES roots I think it can be a great game.

Again with the 'dumbing down' nonsense.
No it was not dumbed down, especially with scaling enemies. In fact, the scaling made the game much harder than it had all right's to be, which is why it was removed through patches very early on.
I can't believe people still call out the level scaling despite it having been addressed as far as I recall in the very first patch.

 

[Exocet]

Hehe.... Clearly, good sir, you are new to the Elder Scrolls. All Elder Scrolls games started off in prison, it's part of the Elder Scrolls folklore!

Morrowind didn't...But I'm nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
I think it's fun that you start off in a prison,with people at the start of the game treating you like filth,so when you're the grandmaster of every guild and brotherhood and clan out there,you look back and tell those same guys:"You're MY ***** now".

 

[Vault101]

see thats the thing I guess fair enough if its some kind of elder scrolls tradition
however its annoying because there is NOTHING to work with, at least in fallout 3 I was a character as I had a place in the world...and dialog options to spice things up
however here if it is improved it would be worse because all the other characters are more interesting than you
and sure the idea here is projection which yes I did for fallout..but personally I don't find it satisfying at all when the game treats me like a walking camera no matter how interesting I "imagine" my character to be, plus isn't it the developers' job to come up with characterization? not mine?

The principle is exactly the same in Fallout 3 as it is in The Elder Scrolls. Okay, so maybe the back story isn't as developed (grow up in a vault, mom died at birth versus dumped in a prison for unknown reasons), but the idea is the same: you emerge in an unknown world, and you must make your place in that world. You are somebody in Cyrodiil, whether it is the Champion of Cyrodiil, the Grey Fox, the ArchMage, a Guildmaster, or the Madgod. You choose your own path, and flesh it out as you will. And you are given something to work with: you're a prisoner whom the Emperor has seen in his dreams,someone who will play a key role in the survival of Tamriel (saving the world not enough? How about saving and ultimately ruling another, then?).

Also, your argument that it's the developers' "job" to provide you with characterization is fallacious. The only job the developers must carry out to the best of their ability is to deliver a quality game which can stand on its own. The way they do that is entirely up to them. Would you say Civilization is bad because there's no characterization? No. Characterization is important in adventure games or games which deliver a streamlined experience or story. This is not the case, this is an open-world RPG, and it doesn't answer to the same rules.

Bottom line, I think that if you've shown anything at all, it's that Skyrim is not for you. Clearly, the gameplay and storytelling mechanics of Oblivion didn't appeal for you, and there's a good chance that Skyrim will follow the same general lines. I, for one, will throw a hissy fit if Skyrim doesn't start off in a prison (and I'm not ashamed to admit it).

And for Heaven's sake, man, get a spell checker, will you? There's a a gazillion plugins for browsers on the Internet, they're just a few clicks away.

I guess you make a good point

but also the Idea of blank charachter + "chosen one saves the world" kinda makes the thing even more unapealing, I guess its just me, that I'm not such a fan of the "big cataclismic event+ chosen one" type thing in high fantasy, I much prefer the low fantasy Idea of just a normal person in a fantasy world doing their thing, weather that be a warrior or a theif or a mage, I mean I really cant get my head around the idea of "the mighty amazing chosen one" sneaking around somones house to steal things, why would they do that? they are the chosen one

THAT SAID however thats probably all beside the point as thats pretty much what you could do in the game anyway plus you need the right mindset I guess

plus we dont know much about the story or anything

anyway I think the thing here is I really want[/I] to like skyrim but Im still unsure, there is a chance I could like it I probably would actually, but yeah Ill look into it when it comes out

 

[0thello]

There's always a chance you just might. Oblivions gameplay was a big turn off for me. It felt awkward. I didn't feel the collision dtection very well at all. I liked the story.... kinda... it was a subpar experience. My girlfriend loved it on the other hand primarily the dark brother hood things. (Yeah I think I need to have a word with her) anyway. Yeah, just give it some time and you may see what you're looking for.

 

[Meatspinner]

Bethesda's hype-machine is second only the Peter Molyneux. Can't really answer this question until release.

Weed out the BS and what not

 

[black_knight1337]

There is only one thing that i absolutely hate about the elder scrolls games in general is that every single time you start as a prisoner. they could easily put a little effort into it and based on what race you are show a little intro clip showing how you ended up there.
but anyway i think that its the best rpg series of all time and everyone should at least play morrowind (and maybe oblivion even though it was average in comparison) but i reckon that skyrim is going to be legen wait for it dary, legendary. plus i think they have given your character some meaning with the whole being the last dragonborn.

 

[Tallim]

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people that didnt like morrowind loved oblivion =P

and vice versa. I wouldn't say I hated Oblivion but Morrowind just felt so much better when I played it.

 

[Tallim]

Hehe.... Clearly, good sir, you are new to the Elder Scrolls. All Elder Scrolls games started off in prison, it's part of the Elder Scrolls folklore!

Morrowind didn't...But I'm nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
I think it's fun that you start off in a prison,with people at the start of the game treating you like filth,so when you're the grandmaster of every guild and brotherhood and clan out there,you look back and tell those same guys:"You're MY ***** now".

The boat you are on at the start of Morrowind is a prison boat.

 

[Gill Kaiser]

Aside from the blank protagonist, which is unlikely to change drastically (although could maybe return to the level of the Nerevarine from Morrowind?), the rest of your problems seem to be fixed.

 

[kayisking]

Ps. Please excuse my poor English, I am not a native speaker.

that is...actually a good point...

like samus people didnt feel right about her in other M because her past actions told a different story to the one she was blandly monolgueing

Indeed, go back to oblivion and shape your own character. If you want to be a thief with a conscience, join the Thieves guild, but help those that are in need. If you want a character with more of an indifferent attitude towards the world, make sure you ask for payment. There are thousands of people you could be in Oblivion, go try it.

 

[Ranorak]

I, for one, will throw a hissy fit if Skyrim doesn't start off in a prison (and I'm not ashamed to admit it).

Just asking... why?
I personally want to start off enrolled in a guild that trains dragon slayers.
Of course it would have the words -This place is going to get fucked up after the basic training quests- written all over it, but I could do with some variation of the setting for the beginning.

Hehe.... Clearly, good sir, you are new to the Elder Scrolls. All Elder Scrolls games started off in prison, it's part of the Elder Scrolls folklore!

The Imperial Prisons spawned more heroes that Stan Lee did.

I wonder if the Hero of Morrowind came from the same cell as The Champion of Tamriel.
It would be kind of interesting if it's always the same cell.

Though I doubt that Skyrim's Dragonborn will begin in a imperial city prison, maybe on a transport like Oblivion.

OT:
Honestly, I don't think you're going to like Skyrim if you have this much problems with a blank slate.
Try Morrowind and see if it's not just the way Oblivion did it that bothers you.
If you don't like Morrowind either, give up on Elder Scrolls.

 

[jowo96]

They are making the game more animated than before and they are doing an overhaul of the conversation system to make it more natural, leveling system is also changing. The combat will be more exciting than in oblivion.

Your character has some background seeing as they are dragonbone but I think that the character will still be pretty much just a blank canvas and some of the levels are going to be randomly generated so I think actual story may be sacrificed to pull that off.

So Gameplay and Visuals are going to be improved but I think that the story elements may be similar as before. Obviously we wont be able to tell for sure until we see some more gameplay.

 

[Eleima]

Hehe.... Clearly, good sir, you are new to the Elder Scrolls. All Elder Scrolls games started off in prison, it's part of the Elder Scrolls folklore!

Morrowind didn't...But I'm nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
I think it's fun that you start off in a prison,with people at the start of the game treating you like filth,so when you're the grandmaster of every guild and brotherhood and clan out there,you look back and tell those same guys:"You're MY ***** now".

Actually, it did (just for the sake of nitpicking ^_^). If you listen to the intro, you were jailed in the Imperial prison, and then shipped off on a prison boat to Morrowind. IIRC.

 

[Hop-along Nussbaum]

How can you not like a game, designed by a company that basically says, "Here's your character, fully customizable. Here's the main story line. There's the world. Get out of the van."

They give you a fully customizable character, a main storyline down the middle of the game (that you DO NOT even have to follow), thousands of side quests, and an entire world to explore on your own, almost completely without limits.

What's not to like?

 

[Kpt._Rob]

Well, I'm not going to say that you couldn't like it, but it seems to me that the problem you had with Oblivion had more to do with what you're looking for in a game, and how that causes you to approach the game. Oblivion leaves you a very blank canvas to paint on, but gives you more tools than just about any game I can think of(well, maybe I can think of a couple, but not many) with which to paint it. .

*cough,cough*[sub]Minecraft[/sub]*cough* Who said that?

Ha ha yeah, you'll notice the tiny bit in the parentheses right after the part you bolded, which I put in specifically because I was thinking of Minecraft.

 

[Verlander]

I'm gonna say probably not. I didn't like Morrowind or Oblivion, so Skyrim does nothing for me. At all.