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So what you are saying is you want to blame me for talking about the differences that make western society look bad rather than realizing that how these things are handled may be the actual problem here, not me talking about them. I am not making Hopi culture sound bad enough for you? Is that the problem here?

No, the size is definitely not the issue as to why they are killing people all the time. Even the small colonies had this issue, it is the culture itself. Yes, I am comparing them, and that is what you do when you compare them. You just do not like what is being compared and want me to say more bad things about Hopi culture to make you feel better or something.

Why would I not have favoritism towards my own culture? Most people do. I would not sit there and expect you to try to think of all the bad things you can about your culture, I would expect you to have favoritism towards your own culture. I would not however, attempt to hide or ignore the issues about my culture that should be improved if you brought them up or condemn you for discussing them as you are about me bringing up how these things compare to other cultures.
Ah, so you do admit to favoritism. Well that's nice, but could you at least stop with the claims that you don't believe Hopi to be better than Westerners then?

Also, I'll point out that you got on Kolby's case for being an outsider when you were native to the culture in question. And now you're getting on a native when you're an outsider to the culture in question. And you're only further undermining your position - you said that you don't think I'll sit here and think on the flaws of my own culture. That's true, probably. And it's true for you as well. Which means I can't take your opinion as unbiased fact, since by your own admission you are prone to idealizing it and putting it above others.

So, thanks for admitting to hypocrisy. I know I can't trust anything you've said on the Hopi now. Good day.
 

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Lil devils x said:
You want to blame me for talking about the differences that make western society look bad rather than realizing that how these things are handled may be the actual problem here, not me talking about them.
I am very much aware there are flaws in America culture. I would love to talk about them even - but I would much rather talk about them with someone who actually respects my culture over someone who seems hell-bent on making it the red-headed step-child to their own. I can't take your opinion as being anything but horribly biased - as demonizing American culture and idealizing the Hopi.
By someone who respects your culture? Oh that is rich. 1) "Your culture" Tied me to a chair and made me read from the bible aloud as a child and raped hundreds of children to " get the devil out of us". "Your culture" is where I went to medical school and live and work now for many years since I left the reservation as a child. " Your culture" is where I was raped as a child by a wealthy 24 year old white male who lived in a castle looking house. " your culture" is where I work at the free clinic and women's shelter giving people access to treatment and medicine they would not have otherwise. " Your culture" is where I met this sweet and stubborn Ragnar looking German man who is sleeping next to me right now. "Your culture" is where the hundreds of neighbors all went through the tornado stricken area and dug people out of the rubble and helped them find any little piece of their life that could be saved to return to them.

Society, civilization, cultures are all a huge mixed bad of the good, the bad and the ugly. This is " our culture", I come from a very different culture, but I have been living in this culture a very long time now and I think I have earned my right to have a say in it, just as much as you have. " American culture" has given me every reason to be able to discuss it openly and I am not going to tip toe around the problems because you see it as some great disrespect. I do not idealize Hopi culture and obviously me using technology that is condemned by Hopi culture as being earth destroying is being far more disrespectful to Hopi culture than me discussing American culture faults is to American culture.
 

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Lil devils x said:
So what you are saying is you want to blame me for talking about the differences that make western society look bad rather than realizing that how these things are handled may be the actual problem here, not me talking about them. I am not making Hopi culture sound bad enough for you? Is that the problem here?

No, the size is definitely not the issue as to why they are killing people all the time. Even the small colonies had this issue, it is the culture itself. Yes, I am comparing them, and that is what you do when you compare them. You just do not like what is being compared and want me to say more bad things about Hopi culture to make you feel better or something.

Why would I not have favoritism towards my own culture? Most people do. I would not sit there and expect you to try to think of all the bad things you can about your culture, I would expect you to have favoritism towards your own culture. I would not however, attempt to hide or ignore the issues about my culture that should be improved if you brought them up or condemn you for discussing them as you are about me bringing up how these things compare to other cultures.
Ah, so you do admit to favoritism. Well that's nice, but could you at least stop with the claims that you don't believe Hopi to be better than Westerners then?

Also, I'll point out that you got on Kolby's case for being an outsider when you were native to the culture in question. And now you're getting on a native when you're an outsider to the culture in question. And you're only further undermining your position - you said that you don't think I'll sit here and think on the flaws of my own culture. That's true, probably. And it's true for you as well. Which means I can't take your opinion as unbiased fact, since by your own admission you are prone to idealizing it and putting it above others.

So, thanks for admitting to hypocrisy. I know I can't trust anything you've said on the Hopi now. Good day.
Yea.. No.
I have just as much claim to talking about " American culture" as you have, and honestly this kick you have on what it means to be an American is amusing to say the least. Oh and this " if you say nice things about a culture you cannot be trusted to talk about it nonsense" is a very odd perspective. That would mean that all kindergarten teachers should not be trusted to talk about anything because they only say nice things. LOL

In addition: I am not trying to "pitch" you a culture, I am just explaining how things are/were done in my tribes culture and apparently their way of doing things pisses you off to hear about. That is your problem, not mine for explaining it, Not Hopi culture for being different, and not American culture for not doing things as nice as some others. BTW American culture is not as nice as a quite a few cultures, but anyone who knows much about the many worlds cultures ALREADY knows this and it comes as no surprise.

I am sure you don't want to hear about those either because they may be nice as well.
 

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It wouldn't be any different.

"Life is hard, get used to it" is a carry over from the ancient times when, believe it or not, life was fucking hard. You never knew if you were going to survive. A person, if healthy and lucky, could live to 80 like we can today, but more often were killed by disease or war or crime or starvation or dehydration or died while young... Any number of other causes, seeing life expectancy in the 20s in early stone age, and not really rising above the 40s until around the 17th century. Life was hard, and you had to fight to survive.

These days, a lot of people are unable to comprehend that, much like many have ceased to be able to comprehend the horrors of war. Its been so long since we've had to actually fight to survive, that we think that the very idea of that is stupid - there is more than enough food; look at the supermarkets! There is more than enough electricity; look at first world nations. There is more than enough resources everywhere for everyone, so life shouldn't be hard, it should be easy, those in power [Men in this case apparently] just want to hoard it to themselves. They can't comprehend how hard it is to get all this stuff, and how much harder it has been for so long in the past.

While they'd espouse being more empathetic, people like this often to me seem less empathetic, less understanding of the world, and have views purely formed from their relatively sheltered lifestyle, which they believe is just the normal state of things and if it isn't somewhere, someone must be trying to make that not happen. This isn't the case. The world struggles to produce and transport enough resources for everywhere. One of the biggest resource requirements is manpower and time, which are quite limited really. While these people will talk about how the poor should get free food, they don't want to run a farm to produce food for the poor - and if they did they would want to be paid for it, rather than just doing it for free - and if the government paid them for it they'd complain about having to pay taxes to the government, not really understanding that this is an issue faced by 7 billion people on the Earth where we have limited resources, and everyone wants a share, and if we were to equally share them then most of the people I find espousing this view wouldn't be very happy, because they'd be living in a shared house with another 2-3 families with small living quarters, eating small meals each day with little variety, having very limited time to shower or bathe or wash items, limited luxuries, and all round probably a similar life to the lives of those they say deserve more due to equality, but where they ignore the billions suffering in even worse conditions elsewhere. This is before we get into environmentalism and the fact half would probably also demand we stop deforestation, and then complain when food just disappeared as we couldn't grow enough, or we couldn't build enough houses due to lacking paper.

Life is hard, and people to some extent do need to get used to it. That said, things like environmentalism and poverty are things we should still strive to deal with, to save our planet, and our people - but that's not something that has been achievable for a long time, especially not both together, and even today it'd be a hard struggle to get there. There are some real issues, but we don't have the ability yet to solve them, and often rather than becoming an engineer, or a scientists, and trying to solve them by advancing the technology we have to solve these problems, people like this in my experience simply demand other people solve them now, because they know they can be solved its just people being greedy as to why they aren't. Naturally, not everyone is like this, and many understand how things are and simply want some aspects to change. But anyone who believes inequality wouldn't exist were women in power isn't one of those people. It would still exist. Exactly who was unequal is all that would likely change.

Now, resource issues are separate from social issues, and yes, those are things that shouldn't be just gotten used to and that do need to change. They're also not something that would be different in a female-lead society. They'd exist, its just females would be favoured by them instead of males. The fact of the matter is that gender/sex is irrelevant in terms of how equal someone sees everyone else as. That's culture, which is quite often heavily influenced by history and superstition. Conquests wars and human trafficking would have still influenced racism, as would superstitions, as would language and cultural barriers. The roles that women played and men played way back in the stone ages would still have influenced the roles they had in the modern age, and sexism and those sorts of things.

Society would look different, that is true. It wouldn't be any more equal in any way though. Hell, you want one thing that proves that it doesn't solve equality issues; "If women lead society". Automatically we're putting women in an unequal position where they are above men, and are preferentially given more roles. In this society, the thought "Lets make them more equal" couldn't exist, because then it wouldn't be a women-lead society, but an egalitarian society. Saying that its a matriarchal society already discounts the equality argument. Its not equal. And that kind of instantly defeats the entire point that they're trying to make.
 

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Saetha said:
I don't think it should be that hard to get into the mindset you need to read this stuff. This is how the story is told. Lil devils x has a strong documentarist vibe in the way she writes just about any comment on this forum. How do you even fabricate stuff that has been passed down as oral history? It's possible it's not the truth, but a culture can value these things which makes it powerful (the Bible, for example). A Sami person would tell their story similarly, an Aboriginal probably would too. These small peoples don't get the sort of whistleblowers from within one finds from mainstream groups. And you're kinda asking Lil devils x to be one, even though she already shared stuff like this selective technophobia. It's also a given that the traditional approach to things is taken more and more seldom as people soak in the effects of globalization and such. Like she says Hopi culture would view her lifestyle as very disrespectful, but practically it could just be her grandma holding that view.

However, I do doubt a lot of Lil devils x's personal stories on the forums and here in particular she seems to be quite anachronistic. More recent stuff seems to mix with the old shit.
 

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If you mean matriarchal as in ruled by women, then no.

If you mean matriarchal as in ruled by the sort of virtues that our current society has decided are fitting for women, then perhaps.

These are two very different things.

Mind you, there is an interesting debate over what society run by women would be like...for one, abortions wouldn't likely be stigmatised.
Agreed. Further more, there is nothing to say that living in a historical matriarchal society wouldn't just result in our stereotypical male qualities (such as stoicism, domination, violence, ruthlessness etc.) becoming associated with women instead.
 

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I don't think, it would make any significant difference (outside of heredity and marriage laws - where the biological differences count). Personality wise women and men are nearly the same and any real difference is so small that science has a hard time to really prove it among individual differences and cultural noms. So why would a matriarchy look differently ?
 

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Saetha said:
I don't think it should be that hard to get into the mindset you need to read this stuff. This is how the story is told. Lil devils x has a strong documentarist vibe in the way she writes just about any comment on this forum. How do you even fabricate stuff that has been passed down as oral history? It's possible it's not the truth, but a culture can value these things which makes it powerful (the Bible, for example). A Sami person would tell their story similarly, an Aboriginal probably would too. These small peoples don't get the sort of whistleblowers from within one finds from mainstream groups. And you're kinda asking Lil devils x to be one, even though she already shared stuff like this selective technophobia. It's also a given that the traditional approach to things is taken more and more seldom as people soak in the effects of globalization and such. Like she says Hopi culture would view her lifestyle as very disrespectful, but practically it could just be her grandma holding that view.

However, I do doubt a lot of Lil devils x's personal stories on the forums and here in particular she seems to be quite anachronistic. More recent stuff seems to mix with the old shit.
I don't care so much about the facts of Hopi or American society, I simply hate it when anyone tries to lord their culture as superior to another. It's why I despise "Stranger in a strange land" type fiction. It almost always comes down to "You weirdo foreigners are doing things wrong, let me show you the true, civilized way." It's xenophobia and egoism, dressed up in supposed enlightenment.

That being said, valuing oral history is fine, positing it as actual fact is not, especially when you're using it to justify your superiority. I wouldn't push the Bible as historically accurate proof of how awesome white guys are. Arguably, people pushing the Bible as proof of how awesome white guys are is what caused so many problems to begin with.
 

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Saetha said:
McElroy said:
Saetha said:
I don't think it should be that hard to get into the mindset you need to read this stuff. This is how the story is told. Lil devils x has a strong documentarist vibe in the way she writes just about any comment on this forum. How do you even fabricate stuff that has been passed down as oral history? It's possible it's not the truth, but a culture can value these things which makes it powerful (the Bible, for example). A Sami person would tell their story similarly, an Aboriginal probably would too. These small peoples don't get the sort of whistleblowers from within one finds from mainstream groups. And you're kinda asking Lil devils x to be one, even though she already shared stuff like this selective technophobia. It's also a given that the traditional approach to things is taken more and more seldom as people soak in the effects of globalization and such. Like she says Hopi culture would view her lifestyle as very disrespectful, but practically it could just be her grandma holding that view.

However, I do doubt a lot of Lil devils x's personal stories on the forums and here in particular she seems to be quite anachronistic. More recent stuff seems to mix with the old shit.
I don't care so much about the facts of Hopi or American society, I simply hate it when anyone tries to lord their culture as superior to another. It's why I despise "Stranger in a strange land" type fiction. It almost always comes down to "You weirdo foreigners are doing things wrong, let me show you the true, civilized way." It's xenophobia and egoism, dressed up in supposed enlightenment.

That being said, valuing oral history is fine, positing it as actual fact is not, especially when you're using it to justify your superiority. I wouldn't push the Bible as historically accurate proof of how awesome white guys are. Arguably, people pushing the Bible as proof of how awesome white guys are is what caused so many problems to begin with.
1) Where did I claim anyone to be superior rather than different?

2)Did you miss the part where I said that Hopi have MANY histories and religions, and this just happens to be the one from my clan? In what way is that passed off as " as fact" compared to the Bible? We were taught that there are many religions, and beliefs and that is a good thing and ENCOURAGED to learn about them not fear them, not that one is superior to another.

3)I provided this quote:
Heremequaftewa explained this well here:
The Hopi knows it is not right to go about trying to change people who have religious beliefs that are different from their own, and he will not try to force them to follow the Hopi way of life. I would not try to force the young people of the white man to live and believe my way. I will not even force my own young people to be initiated into our religious societies. I will only ask them if they want to join or be initiated into them. If they say "no," it will be respected. This is the very basis of our life, we must not force other people to change their ways."

http://voluntaryist.com/forthcoming/unconquered.html#.V9ovt_krLcs
This is not xenophobia, it is encouraging multiculturalism and diversity instead. In fact, this is the opposite of xenophobia.

4)No one ever called anyone " weirdo foreigners' except for you. I am considered every bit as much an American as you are. Being born on a reservation does not make me foreign no American culture, and I was not aware that you were the designated gate keeper to determine who was "American enough" to discuss American culture. If anyone is appearing to be xenophobic here, it is you. You want me to try to make Hopi out to be something worse than it is. If there isn't as much bad as you would like there to be, that is your problem, not mine, not those still there.

5) Your hang-ups are just that. Maybe you should reflect on that instead of lashing out on those having a discussion about the facts about Hopi and American culture that you do not seem to care about. I am not trying to sell you Hopi culture, nor am I discussing this for your entertainment purposes. I was answering direct questions to another person and you butted in with your irritation that I was saying too many nice things and you didn't like it regardless of the facts( that you state you don't care about).
 

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McElroy said:
Saetha said:
I don't think it should be that hard to get into the mindset you need to read this stuff. This is how the story is told. Lil devils x has a strong documentarist vibe in the way she writes just about any comment on this forum. How do you even fabricate stuff that has been passed down as oral history? It's possible it's not the truth, but a culture can value these things which makes it powerful (the Bible, for example). A Sami person would tell their story similarly, an Aboriginal probably would too. These small peoples don't get the sort of whistleblowers from within one finds from mainstream groups. And you're kinda asking Lil devils x to be one, even though she already shared stuff like this selective technophobia. It's also a given that the traditional approach to things is taken more and more seldom as people soak in the effects of globalization and such. Like she says Hopi culture would view her lifestyle as very disrespectful, but practically it could just be her grandma holding that view.

However, I do doubt a lot of Lil devils x's personal stories on the forums and here in particular she seems to be quite anachronistic. More recent stuff seems to mix with the old shit.
I am curious what you doubt about my life, and yes I have tried to recall details as best as I can remember and do try to not embellish. I am sarcastic much of time and an incorrigible smart ass, but I do not think my sarcasm changes the actual details of what happened. Much of what I have discussed on here in regards to my own life DOES have evidence btw, I would just rather not post police reports and such that would give away my personal information or my families personal information on the open forums, although I have discussed more to individuals in private discussion (depending on who they are of course). I can understand though how it seems odd to have so much happen to one person, and I have had so much more happen than even what has been discussed here tbh, I have felt like I was living in some kind of sadistic cartoon at times, but hey those are the breaks. You can always message me privately if you would like more details on something that I would not want to post details about on a public forum if you have questions, I do not consider discussing these things to be taboo, just careful as to "where".
 

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I have no facts to base this on whatsoever, but I'm inclined to believe that we'd end up about the same. Men and woman really aren't that different.
 

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Lil devils x said:
McElroy said:
I do doubt a lot of Lil devils x's personal stories on the forums and here in particular she seems to be quite anachronistic. More recent stuff seems to mix with the old shit.
I am curious what you doubt about my life, and yes I have tried to recall details as best as I can remember and do try to not embellish.
Well, once you start doubting, you can't really just stop, can you? One of the reasons is the same that has got you some flak in this particular thread: this style in which you never agree on anything - even the tiniest point - with someone who disagrees with you or doubts your argument. As evidenced in the reactions here, it comes off ingenuine. And no, I'm not asking you to challenge this here, we're already derailing this a little, but that's one reason anyway.
 

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McElroy said:
Lil devils x said:
McElroy said:
I do doubt a lot of Lil devils x's personal stories on the forums and here in particular she seems to be quite anachronistic. More recent stuff seems to mix with the old shit.
I am curious what you doubt about my life, and yes I have tried to recall details as best as I can remember and do try to not embellish.
Well, once you start doubting, you can't really just stop, can you? One of the reasons is the same that has got you some flak in this particular thread: this style in which you never agree on anything - even the tiniest point - with someone who disagrees with you or doubts your argument. As evidenced in the reactions here, it comes off ingenuine. And no, I'm not asking you to challenge this here, we're already derailing this a little, but that's one reason anyway.
What was there to agree with? I agree with many people all the time, and yes on these forums as there is proof of that here. That is not an accurate/ factual statement, as I actually do let people know I agree with them, when I actually agree with them. In fact, some conversations have changed my view entirely on some subjects as many are aware here. OF course I am not going to pretend to agree on something I do not, and to expect such is absurd. Agreeable does not make for a "genuine" discussion, honesty does.

I am not even sure " what little thing" I am supposed to agree with, that I do not. Either something exists or it doesn't not much to agree or disagree with there.
 

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I think it is impossible to say, especially without getting too sexist/stereotypical ... Women are meant to be more caring and compassionate but look at high school girls, they can be worse than guys. Guys will have a fight and that will be about that but girls will try to destroy each other.

Guys with girlfriends can attest to just how crazy/infuriating they can be, with things ranging from twerking to having bags of silicon implanted in various parts of themselves to keying a car or burning clothes to making NO sense in an argument or that how their eye brows look is important ... they would rather have them look crazy/weird than natural.

Women are just as flawed as men, so would it be different with women in charge? Sure but better or worse? Who knows? That is a totally different universe.

As the age old joke goes "if women were in charge there would be no wars, but there would be a lot of countries not talking to each other"
 

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As much as modern day feminists and other SJW-types might hate it, the societies and cultures that were successful and became what we know today because...the system works. Female-dominated and "matriarchal societies" were all inevitably crushed or dominated by their male counterparts, because the history of the world is not kind to the weak or empathetic.

Most likely scenario - history repeats and we wind up in the same situation, bit with different names in the history books. Worst case scenario, if you somehow magically swapped out every society on Earth with women-dominated ones? Humanity probably doesn't survive, or we don't get much beyond the basic building blocks of civilization and wind up getting stuck in something resembling a few isolated nation states or the current Middle East, writ large.
The innate differences between men and women aren't nearly as pronounced as you imply.
I think the answer is probably simpler - societies in which women are more heavily subjugated tend also to have higher birth rates, which both allows them to beat their peer societies, and arguably forces them to do so because of resource pressure.
 

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OneCatch said:
The innate differences between men and women aren't nearly as pronounced as you imply.
I think the answer is probably simpler - societies in which women are more heavily subjugated tend also to have higher birth rates, which both allows them to beat their peer societies, and arguably forces them to do so because of resource pressure.
Do you have sources on that? Not saying you're wrong, just wondering.
 

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Saetha said:
OneCatch said:
The innate differences between men and women aren't nearly as pronounced as you imply.
I think the answer is probably simpler - societies in which women are more heavily subjugated tend also to have higher birth rates, which both allows them to beat their peer societies, and arguably forces them to do so because of resource pressure.
Do you have sources on that? Not saying you're wrong, just wondering.
You can look at historical trends. Ancient Roman and Greek societies had fairly high birth/death ratios compared to peer civilisations, in spite of the fact that infanticide was legal, in fact routine. It's quite easy to argue that societies in which women were basically property and male promiscuity was celebrated, large populations were inevitable. And that practices such as infanticide were in fact a social response to absurdly high (and unsustainable) pregnancy rates. Even with that, Rome barely managed to cope with it's own population growth - the suburra, the plebian riots, the grain subsidies, all symptoms of barely contained problems.

Then, a little later, it's been argued that one of the reasons that Christianity exploded onto the scene quite so effectively was because they outlawed infanticide - which was a very attractive proposition to women who might not want to kill their own newborns - which led to increased birthrate.

For a more recent example, birth rates in Western nations have nosedived since female emancipation movements and, while effective contraception is certainly a major contributory factor, the trend starts before the introduction of the pill.
 

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Paragon Fury said:
As much as modern day feminists and other SJW-types might hate it, the societies and cultures that were successful and became what we know today because...the system works. Female-dominated and "matriarchal societies" were all inevitably crushed or dominated by their male counterparts, because the history of the world is not kind to the weak or empathetic.

Most likely scenario - history repeats and we wind up in the same situation, bit with different names in the history books. Worst case scenario, if you somehow magically swapped out every society on Earth with women-dominated ones? Humanity probably doesn't survive, or we don't get much beyond the basic building blocks of civilization and wind up getting stuck in something resembling a few isolated nation states or the current Middle East, writ large.
If there is any doubt as to whether feminine cultures can compete with masculine cultures, just head on over to Germany or Sweden and see how the migrant crisis is effecting them.

Masculine cultures might struggle a bit more than feminine ones with human rights issues, but there's simply no denying the fact that when all bets are off and they become full-on competitors, masculine cultures WILL dominate feminine cultures unless the feminine cultures betray they values and fight back without apology or compromise.

...this is why the far right is gaining a concerning amount of power in Europe; native Europeans are still being insisted to cooperate and accommodate an invasive culture that is neither reciprocal nor compatible. I'm fairly certain that there WILL be a breaking point in the future that will see a whole lot of unrestrained violence and animosity when the steam inevitably breaks the pipes.
 

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MeatMachine said:
Paragon Fury said:
As much as modern day feminists and other SJW-types might hate it, the societies and cultures that were successful and became what we know today because...the system works. Female-dominated and "matriarchal societies" were all inevitably crushed or dominated by their male counterparts, because the history of the world is not kind to the weak or empathetic.

Most likely scenario - history repeats and we wind up in the same situation, bit with different names in the history books. Worst case scenario, if you somehow magically swapped out every society on Earth with women-dominated ones? Humanity probably doesn't survive, or we don't get much beyond the basic building blocks of civilization and wind up getting stuck in something resembling a few isolated nation states or the current Middle East, writ large.
If there is any doubt as to whether feminine cultures can compete with masculine cultures, just head on over to Germany or Sweden and see how the migrant crisis is effecting them.

Masculine cultures might struggle a bit more than feminine ones with human rights issues, but there's simply no denying the fact that when all bets are off and they become full-on competitors, masculine cultures WILL dominate feminine cultures unless the feminine cultures betray they values and fight back without apology or compromise.

...this is why the far right is gaining a concerning amount of power in Europe; native Europeans are still being insisted to cooperate and accommodate an invasive culture that is neither reciprocal nor compatible. I'm fairly certain that there WILL be a breaking point in the future that will see a whole lot of unrestrained violence and animosity when the steam inevitably breaks the pipes.
Considering Merkel, who is basically the mind behind the entire disaster, recently lost in her hometown to a new far-right anti-immigration party, yeah.