If you could escape reality, would you take the opportunity?

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Reishadowen

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No. I admit, it is a SEVERELY tempting notion, but it's a trap. Once you go in, you would never want to come out. You would essentially waste your life away on just making yourself happy and accomplish nothing else.

To my own beliefs, that is not why we were put here, and often given circumstances that suck hard. We are here to make the best of what we have, and through our own actions and choices, determine who and what we are. Besides, if we neglect the world, just to seek our own personal happiness, we are forgetting how to deal with other people, and how to build our own future here in reality. As the situation is stated, world disaster = dream machine stops working. Someone has to keep the gears turning.

I don't blame some people for running away from life's problems, trying to drown them out, I've had a pretty good life so far, and maybe I don't have room to judge them. However, I can't say I agree with the idea either. Besides, it is FAR more rewarding to change or triumph over something in real life, than over something that never even existed in the first place.
 

William MacKay

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rokkolpo said:
Or you could learn to lucid dream.

That's called having the cake.
And eating it too.
i've done it. first few times its hard to focus, blurry and you can walk through walls of massive towers then fly while carrying all your friends. do it.
i wouldnt do this because i learn from my mistakes.
 

Jabberwock xeno

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this isnt my name said:
No. It would just be a gilded cage, it looks nice, but its not real, and your just living a lie, a meaningless lie. I would rather find real happiness even if its not as interesting.
But is it any different from life, really?
 

MetaKnight19

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Tempting as it sounds, probably not although I can definitely see why people would want to. Seeing this thread reminds me of some moments from the show Red Dwarf


I bet the guy nearly shit himself when he played this forwards.
 

EternalFacepalm

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And then I'd build a dream machine in that world.
And a dream machine in that world.
And a dream machine in that world, too...
And suddenly you're in Inception! Fun and crumbling buildings everywhere for everyone!
 

archvile93

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Yeah, I would. I don't like reality. Being able to control a world sounds pretty cool, even if it's not a real one.
 
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Ah, yes Dreamer's Paradise [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine], that crossover point between existentialism and ethical philosophy.

To those naysayers, who'd rather avoid living a lie[footnote]This is not, by the way, to say you are wrong, but just to get you thinking. Historically, preference for a mediocre reality (or even a fell one) over a pleasant fiction is the majority opinion. Note in the top link (of my post), the dream machine is a narrative device used to dissuade against hedonism, on the presumption that we all would rather be waking than dreaming.[/footnote] I ask you the following:

First off, How do you know you're not living a lie already? Part of the problem is defining what is real, in relation to what is a dream.

~ As there is (to date) no peer-reviewed evidence of a human soul, or any mechanism by which one's identity continues on after death. Belief in any dogma that indicates an afterlife, whether Heaven and Hell, ascention to a higher order of being or reincarnation as someone / something else, is in fact suggesting that this world is the dream. It's the only feasable way that a person would be detached from one existential state and reattached in another (or, in the case of ascention, woken up).[footnote]The Gnostics [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostics] were not only certain of this being a dreamstate, but also that it was a nightmare to be escaped, with the biblical god as the dreammaster and the keeper of the gateway to wakefulness, and reality.[/footnote]

~ These meat-walkers that we pilot in our everyday existence give us an excrutiatingly limited perception of the reality around us, not unlike living in a diving helmet [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_helmet]. Sure, we don't notice our dulled senses as they're the only thing we've ever known. Our experience seems complete only because we've lived with our blind spots for so long. But also, there's a crapload of unconscious processing between what we percieve and what we experience, necessary since our brain isn't made to take in everything we see, so it seeks out critical elements and extrapolates the rest from there. This is why you can't see the car keys right in front of your nose, but you can see the guy next to you is your teenaged son by the back of his head, and you automatically read the Daft Punk lettering on his t-shirt before you even recognize they're Roman characters.

~ String theory posits that this universe, in its incomprehensibly vast glory (It's about as imaginable in hugeness as cosmic inflation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_number]. The place that is The Bulk is reality, and not only is this a dream, but we are but figments of thought within that dream.

~ Then there's a the matter of time, and the delicateness of this film on a planet's surface between rock and space that we call reality. It is, in truth, as ephemeral as a dream and might count as one just because of the quacking and waddling[footnote]...to blend metaphors into a nice frothy metaphor smoothie.[/footnote]. All of our great works, the conquest of our Earth's surface, our immense body of knowledge, the fundamentals of truth as catalogued by Pythagoras, Euclid, Newton, Copernicus and so on, will all be forgotten with the flash of our Sun, and probably before that with an accidental collision of an asteroid, all but the blink of an eye in the life of the galaxy, much less a universe of countless galaxies. When all is gone and done, the legacy of those that built and accomplished will be as significant as those that dreamt of building and accomplishing. We are all, ultimately, Sisyphus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus] pushing his rock out of sheer pride. Some of us enjoy merely dreaming of the rock, and creative ways of mobilizing it.

Second off, Are you sure you don't want to be living a dream? After all, it sounds better to be in a true world, but the dream serves a lot of purposes.

~ Consider all the fiction in which we indulge, whether literature, theater, cinema, television or games. These are all analogues for reality which are, themselves fantasies, ergo simply lower-tech versions of the dream.

~ As above, indulgence in any idea of an afterlife requires that the day-to-day reality we experience is a dream, itself. To accept that this is the real world is also to give up on immortality. (And, unless some kind of scientific miracle saves us, even an indefinite lifespan is out of our grasp; we are all doomed.)

~ Work done in dreams is not useless, as illustrated in Christopher Nolan's Jane McGonigal [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inception] is of the theory that games can be used as a tool to develop solutions for real-world problems, and has created some notable examples.

Thirdly, can you handle the truth?

Sadly, we actually overindulge in dream fictions automatically, especially when it comes to political issues. Humans are prone to attitude polarization [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_polarization] in which we discount facts that are contrary to our belief systems in favor of facts that reenforce them, ergo, for example, violent-games alarmists instinctively indulge the dream that violent games really do inspire children to become more violent in reality. And these people dismiss published data that indicates otherwise, and take seriously data that agrees with their belief, even if the former data is more plentiful and comes from more reliable sources. I think the world would be a better place if we were able to discern trustworthy scientific data from contrived disinformation, and if the former were used to guide policy and the latter ridiculed. Alas, such a world is merely a fanciful...well, you get the idea.

Food for thought.

238U.
 

Chase Yojimbo

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It's... tempting... but also hard to go towards...

I have too much in this world. Well, not really, all I have is my books. I don't plan on anything too actually make my life happy, moreso to make others happy. But besides the point...

No, I don't think I would. It is a tempting offer that I would have to regretfully decline, but a Dream is only a Dream. You may seem to be the Hero of the land or even have the perfect lover, but in the end it is all an illusion, and it would truthfully drive me insane. It would only be me, talking to myself all the time. No one else would be there but me and multiply me's. It is ignorant and selfish to wish to be in a fake world when you can help the real one. I may become miserable, but I'll die happy in the end.
 

O maestre

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blue pill give it to me now!!! fuck reality it is not i cannot see what sensation, advantage or reward reality holds, compared to the choice of a "constructed" reality... isnt this exactly why religion sells so well you know the idea of heaven.
 

Thundero13

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Soooo basically a lucid dream that goes on forever? I don't see why, there are many ways that let you lucid dream every night if you're devoted, which I will be when I have time, and I get to live in reality aswell :D So in short, no, no I wouldn't.
 

joemegson94

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It's like Queensryche's Silent Lucidity, the second best song ever, and for that reason, I'm going to say yes. Why not?
 

Dragonpit

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I already have, but I want to stop. It is surprising how much pain such a thing can cause. You love it, revel in it, but in the end, you know it's not real and you want more because of it. Such pain it causes. Pain that can only be sated one way. Accepting reality.

One thing I've learned is that life and harsh reality exist for a reason: to make us stronger. It is there not to be suffered, but to be overcome. You're only showing your own weakness by running from it. No, I'd rather walk away from the machine than actually use it.
 

PurePareidolia

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Of course not - it'd be an entirely solipsistic existence, one completely without consequence or relevence to reality and one completely designed by me.

I can already invent worlds and imagine anything I want, so what purpose would there be in essentially being trapped inside my own mind? It wouldn't be fun because there would be no consequences, no uncertainty or challenge, meaning no tension or excitement. It'd be like watching a movie I made - I already know where every scene is going, it's pointless unless I intend to share it, which I can't because I'm trapped in my own brain.

And why do I want to limit myself to a world that exists as a snapshot of my imagination right now? How much more interesting would such a world be with external influences? Wouldn't it be so much better if things happened I didn't control? Like in reality? If there was some kind of underlying logic to things I could discover, not just "I remember thinking that would be fun".

All you have to do is look at video games - speaking generally, the best ones have deep worlds, places to explore, new and exciting things to find and twists you couldn't see coming. You can't possibly get that if you write them, unless you have some sort of Memento like amnesia going on.

And besides, reality's not that bad - it's fascinating, actually. Indeed, I think I can safely say the world is just awesome [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at_f98qOGY0].
 

SeriousIssues

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Whenever I think about being super rich, I always wonder: What would I do with the money?
I'd give some to charity just because I have nothing left to do with it, other than buy even more of the suits and cars I bought on the first day. What would be the point of living the dream if it loses meaning after you become accustomed to it. You're at the top of the ladder and bored.
I think regular life has a bit more meaning to it, you gotta have some shitty times to contrast the great ones, otherwise it's just kinda meaningless.

Buuuuuuut...
Having a topless supermodel party while simultaneously battling the demons of the underworld with nothing but a basket of handgrenades and a lightsaber would be pretty awesome, so sign me up for a year-stay in Lala land.