that sounds like an amazing world, just think: if there were no religion our science would be 20 times better possibly.DasMark said:
If you had proof that God didn't exsist, would you show the world?
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And our ethical restraint in using all our new scientific toys/weapons/tools would be 20 times weaker ... possibly.yankeefan19 said:
I don't think worshipping anything with the sort of fanaticism associated with extremist religion is a good idea but science seems an especially bad candidate since it is merely a method that we use to achieve goals decided by other values of our national society. At least a god gives us some answers as to why we should do things rather than just how.
YES. I would take the first opportunity available. The existence of multiple religions conflict with the existence of one true God.
You're totally right. I love how convenient it is with the whole "Faith is believing without proof."Jeronus said:
That's a totally naive way of thinking... that means you miss out on expanding on your views or experiences, because you deny any and all fact that happens to disagree with your beliefs.
Try applying that logic to ANY other situation... it suddenly seems paper thin...
But to keep it purely hypothetical, if I found undeniable proof that he/she/it didn't exist, I would let it be known immediately.
That's BS. You need a god to have purpose? That's quite sad, really. You honestly can't find purpose in living a good life, and doing your best to help others out when they need it unless there's some all powerful being watching your every move and judging you?Sewblon said:
And before you say it, I'm agnostic, not atheist... I just think that if you can't find value and purpose in life without the constant threat of being judged, then you might as well off yourself right now because obviously your life can't really be all that great anyways.
I don't believe or disbelieve, I just don't care. It has little or no impact on how I live my life, and how happy I am in my life. I find purpose in the fact that the universe we live in is filled with many exciting and interesting things, and we know about .0000000000001% of all there is to know about it. I find purpose in the idea that I will have children and raise them to be good people. I find purpose in loving my family, and my wife, and doing what I love to do in my career.
I think if believing in a god gives you strength and confidence, then that's a great thing, and you should continue to believe. But it shouldn't be the only reason you live each day. You should have a solid tangible reason you wake up each morning and live your life.
*apologies for the double post*
*headdesks epically*KamachoMcSagget said:
Anyway, if I could find irrefutable proof that God didn't exist, then yes, I would share it with the world. Things would be hard at first, but humanity would hopefully still remember the things like love and compassion that their religion taught them.
But the fact remains: there is no proof that God doesn't exist, so...
I think it really would depend on what you mean by " god" as thats different on so many levels for a different culture...
Taking it on the judaio-christian family ( christian/catholic/Judaism/islam/etc ) it's one thing, as " and lets not get offended were going off historic time frames" are one of the younger of the " mainstreams" that have also splintered heavily in that time would cause reactions to be very very differnt...the fall out of basically wiping out the christain view will be different than how lets say the catholics may react ( and there would be alot of finger pointing with all of them as to who " set it up"
Take it to a Buddhist....we'll just smile and say " I know" as "Buddha" is not a god.. in fact " buddha" is not a single individual, it is a rank, or a title.. though " Buddha" as most often referred to is the FIRST one, prince Siddhartha Gautama.. who in his own words is " just a person"
though some culture has added alittle local cultural flair, the western idea of " who/what " is a god is so radically different..and as the 14th Dali lama has made clear ( though he is of a different lineage than I, " When Science can prove something that goes with Buddhist philosophy, then it is a great comfort, when it finds something that contradicts the teachings, then it is for the better ( meaning science wins out )
Just so I don't ramble on, I'll cut it short, Had I the ability to show the world? I would consider it, but at the same time, despite the hate and violence many ( pretty much all) faiths have on their hands.. they also have their good sides, and offer something, even if with or without slight misdirection to those who have nothing..
if someone who was christain, taoist, islamic, pagen, shinto, or any of the others came to me and ASKED to see what I found regardless of what it suggests to them of their faith, then I would, and with a warning of how it could change them deeply, I would never FORCE it on anyone ( and as said before, there will be many who will chose not to see it at all as they blinded themselves to all possibility but the ones they deemed to be truth"
which is why I also say...
" truth" is color as fact is stone.
Taking it on the judaio-christian family ( christian/catholic/Judaism/islam/etc ) it's one thing, as " and lets not get offended were going off historic time frames" are one of the younger of the " mainstreams" that have also splintered heavily in that time would cause reactions to be very very differnt...the fall out of basically wiping out the christain view will be different than how lets say the catholics may react ( and there would be alot of finger pointing with all of them as to who " set it up"
Take it to a Buddhist....we'll just smile and say " I know" as "Buddha" is not a god.. in fact " buddha" is not a single individual, it is a rank, or a title.. though " Buddha" as most often referred to is the FIRST one, prince Siddhartha Gautama.. who in his own words is " just a person"
though some culture has added alittle local cultural flair, the western idea of " who/what " is a god is so radically different..and as the 14th Dali lama has made clear ( though he is of a different lineage than I, " When Science can prove something that goes with Buddhist philosophy, then it is a great comfort, when it finds something that contradicts the teachings, then it is for the better ( meaning science wins out )
Just so I don't ramble on, I'll cut it short, Had I the ability to show the world? I would consider it, but at the same time, despite the hate and violence many ( pretty much all) faiths have on their hands.. they also have their good sides, and offer something, even if with or without slight misdirection to those who have nothing..
if someone who was christain, taoist, islamic, pagen, shinto, or any of the others came to me and ASKED to see what I found regardless of what it suggests to them of their faith, then I would, and with a warning of how it could change them deeply, I would never FORCE it on anyone ( and as said before, there will be many who will chose not to see it at all as they blinded themselves to all possibility but the ones they deemed to be truth"
which is why I also say...
" truth" is color as fact is stone.
It'd look somewhat like this:
Okay, God isn't real because ****
[Peeps] HOLY FUCK THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE ARE WE RETARDED HOW DID WE NOT SEE THAT!
Okay then?
[Bystander] Feel the wrath of my shotgun bitchezzz!!!
*World goes into chaos*
*Five hours later*
[God] Alright this is pissing me off, SHADOWSTEP FALCON PUNCH!
Okay, God isn't real because ****
[Peeps] HOLY FUCK THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE ARE WE RETARDED HOW DID WE NOT SEE THAT!
Okay then?
[Bystander] Feel the wrath of my shotgun bitchezzz!!!
*World goes into chaos*
*Five hours later*
[God] Alright this is pissing me off, SHADOWSTEP FALCON PUNCH!
First of all, what is happiness? Why, unless I'm mistaken, it's a state of mind triggered by chemical reactions. Regardless of what triggers those chemicals, it still has the same end result. Your argument is flawed. As to your other point, you are at least partially correct. However, religion isn't an outlet for faith. People do not need religion to express their faith. Religion drives the idea of faith in a particular belief system into it's followers minds. I'll ask you this, while we're on the topic of postulation (as you've brought up). If your parents, grandparents, guardians, friends, or whoever else raised you had never, ever once mentioned ANYTHING about faith, religion, God, or any such thing, would you even contemplate the idea of putting your "faith" into something like a religion? Let's face it. You wouldn't. You probably wouldn't even have had the idea there was any kind of deity. Likewise, while it is true many people have taken things "too far", as you put it, the problem is, religion throughout history has given power to those that do take it too far. It also gave them excuses to perform horrible atrocities. I never stated that religion was the sole cause of all of histories worst nightmares, but it was a major player in most of them.Caimekaze said:
No I wouldn't show it if I had proof! Why? Well simple, it wouldn't make a difference at all. There is nothing wrong in believing there is something bigger in my opinion, where things go wrong is in the sheer unacceptance of someone believing in something else.
No, because I would be reviled by most of the world, and no one would believe me anyways. because they don't believe me now. just kidding, I don't say there isn't god, I just say that god is not as anyone could ever conceive it to be, so it isn't god.