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Calling it now, "Get rid of Re-Captcha" flood incoming

Personally, I find user groups to be a bit..iffy. I don't see any benefit of having them outside a few special cases (like in the RP and forum games section). I would also make post counts redundant, that would at least hamper people making crappy comments just to increase their post numbers.
No not get rid of it because it does serve a purpose.
Yeah well, condoms serve a purpose but there is a time and place for it. I don't however see a reason for sporadic Re-Captcha spot checks for those that have been on this site for more than a year now. I mean if we were spambots, we must have horrible programming because I doubt anyone would invest such a period of time on an internet forum without making a spam post.
It is for ad bots. If you have been here for over a year you must have encountered at least one.
Em, Ad bots are spam. And yes, I have seen them on this site before. Your point?

If they have to use Re-Captcha for spam then implement it to the problematic demographic. Why punish everyone because of the actions of the few?
Can you create a program that would be able to do that because if you can then you should offer it to the escapist
If they can make us enter Captcha letters periodically based on a set number of post we made then I am sure they can make Captcha required only for those who registered recently. It's not a hard concept to grasp and one that I hardly need to develop and hand over to the IT team
Sure it isn't hard to grasp. But I am gonna take a wild guess and say that bringing a concept like that to fruition is a wee bit more challenging.
Given that other forums use it for junior members seems to make me think otherwise. Also, it couldn't be as hard as their current difficulties with implementing a proper baseline re-captcha system. That and if they already have a code for tracking each users post count and bringing up the captcha after say every 20 posts, they can quite easily reset it to bring up captcha for users under, say 600 posts.
Which brings us full circle to if it is so easy why don't you offer them the code to implement such a system?
Ok, you obviously lost the plot here. Let me rephrase: I can't offer that which i don't have. I can only tell them. i.e. make a suggestion but it is finally up to them to decide what's best. I don't know what the technical specifications of the Escapist server is like, that is something the IT team would know, so ONLY THEY can implement a specific Re-Captch system.

Telling me to make the code and give it to them is like me building a new shuttle for NASA because I think they need to upgrade their existing shuttles.

I can't possible do that as much as I like to.
Exactly the point. You don't know what it would take. So to sit there and say they have intentionally implemented a system that is not in the best interest of the site without having a clue what it would take to implement a better system is utter foolishness.
If it wasn't for the fact that other sites have better implementation of the Captcha system, I would be inclined to agree with you. Sadly, Captach could be coupled with Moodle 1.9.1 for Email-based self-registration or use a less intrusive system like the CakePHP implementation.

The point is I don't know what it will take but they will and they could. That is the point of the OP after all.
 

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Calling it now, "Get rid of Re-Captcha" flood incoming

Personally, I find user groups to be a bit..iffy. I don't see any benefit of having them outside a few special cases (like in the RP and forum games section). I would also make post counts redundant, that would at least hamper people making crappy comments just to increase their post numbers.
No not get rid of it because it does serve a purpose.
Yeah well, condoms serve a purpose but there is a time and place for it. I don't however see a reason for sporadic Re-Captcha spot checks for those that have been on this site for more than a year now. I mean if we were spambots, we must have horrible programming because I doubt anyone would invest such a period of time on an internet forum without making a spam post.
It is for ad bots. If you have been here for over a year you must have encountered at least one.
Em, Ad bots are spam. And yes, I have seen them on this site before. Your point?

If they have to use Re-Captcha for spam then implement it to the problematic demographic. Why punish everyone because of the actions of the few?
Can you create a program that would be able to do that because if you can then you should offer it to the escapist
If they can make us enter Captcha letters periodically based on a set number of post we made then I am sure they can make Captcha required only for those who registered recently. It's not a hard concept to grasp and one that I hardly need to develop and hand over to the IT team
Sure it isn't hard to grasp. But I am gonna take a wild guess and say that bringing a concept like that to fruition is a wee bit more challenging.
Given that other forums use it for junior members seems to make me think otherwise. Also, it couldn't be as hard as their current difficulties with implementing a proper baseline re-captcha system. That and if they already have a code for tracking each users post count and bringing up the captcha after say every 20 posts, they can quite easily reset it to bring up captcha for users under, say 600 posts.
Which brings us full circle to if it is so easy why don't you offer them the code to implement such a system?
Ok, you obviously lost the plot here. Let me rephrase: I can't offer that which i don't have. I can only tell them. i.e. make a suggestion but it is finally up to them to decide what's best. I don't know what the technical specifications of the Escapist server is like, that is something the IT team would know, so ONLY THEY can implement a specific Re-Captch system.

Telling me to make the code and give it to them is like me building a new shuttle for NASA because I think they need to upgrade their existing shuttles.

I can't possible do that as much as I like to.
Exactly the point. You don't know what it would take. So to sit there and say they have intentionally implemented a system that is not in the best interest of the site without having a clue what it would take to implement a better system is utter foolishness.
If it wasn't for the fact that other sites have better implementation of the Captcha system, I would be inclined to agree with you. Sadly, Captach could be coupled with Moodle 1.9.1 for Email-based self-registration or use a less intrusive system like the CakePHP implementation.

The point is I don't know what it will take but they will and they could. That is the point of the OP after all.
Right because all sites use the exact same type of coding. They obviously use the captcha once per visit on our second post just to annoy us and drive us away. Or maybe it is some sort of punishment.

Seriously if it was every other post or anything resembling that I could understand. But there is a very simple way to get around it. Close out after every post and come back in. I don't understand why people get so worked up over a simple solution to a major problem. It helps the mods who may not catch the spambot right away. It helps prevent any younger member from seeing something they shouldn't. And what you have to type 2 extra words once per visit. And this is a huge problem because you have been here for so long so you shouldn't have to? Seriously for all the content they provide you can't give them 2 seconds to type two extra words to contribute to the betterment of the site without crying? Sad dude just plain sad.
 

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squid5580 said:
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Calling it now, "Get rid of Re-Captcha" flood incoming

Personally, I find user groups to be a bit..iffy. I don't see any benefit of having them outside a few special cases (like in the RP and forum games section). I would also make post counts redundant, that would at least hamper people making crappy comments just to increase their post numbers.
No not get rid of it because it does serve a purpose.
Yeah well, condoms serve a purpose but there is a time and place for it. I don't however see a reason for sporadic Re-Captcha spot checks for those that have been on this site for more than a year now. I mean if we were spambots, we must have horrible programming because I doubt anyone would invest such a period of time on an internet forum without making a spam post.
It is for ad bots. If you have been here for over a year you must have encountered at least one.
Em, Ad bots are spam. And yes, I have seen them on this site before. Your point?

If they have to use Re-Captcha for spam then implement it to the problematic demographic. Why punish everyone because of the actions of the few?
Can you create a program that would be able to do that because if you can then you should offer it to the escapist
If they can make us enter Captcha letters periodically based on a set number of post we made then I am sure they can make Captcha required only for those who registered recently. It's not a hard concept to grasp and one that I hardly need to develop and hand over to the IT team
Sure it isn't hard to grasp. But I am gonna take a wild guess and say that bringing a concept like that to fruition is a wee bit more challenging.
Given that other forums use it for junior members seems to make me think otherwise. Also, it couldn't be as hard as their current difficulties with implementing a proper baseline re-captcha system. That and if they already have a code for tracking each users post count and bringing up the captcha after say every 20 posts, they can quite easily reset it to bring up captcha for users under, say 600 posts.
Which brings us full circle to if it is so easy why don't you offer them the code to implement such a system?
Ok, you obviously lost the plot here. Let me rephrase: I can't offer that which i don't have. I can only tell them. i.e. make a suggestion but it is finally up to them to decide what's best. I don't know what the technical specifications of the Escapist server is like, that is something the IT team would know, so ONLY THEY can implement a specific Re-Captch system.

Telling me to make the code and give it to them is like me building a new shuttle for NASA because I think they need to upgrade their existing shuttles.

I can't possible do that as much as I like to.
Exactly the point. You don't know what it would take. So to sit there and say they have intentionally implemented a system that is not in the best interest of the site without having a clue what it would take to implement a better system is utter foolishness.
If it wasn't for the fact that other sites have better implementation of the Captcha system, I would be inclined to agree with you. Sadly, Captach could be coupled with Moodle 1.9.1 for Email-based self-registration or use a less intrusive system like the CakePHP implementation.

The point is I don't know what it will take but they will and they could. That is the point of the OP after all.
Right because all sites use the exact same type of coding. They obviously use the captcha once per visit on our second post just to annoy us and drive us away. Or maybe it is some sort of punishment.

Seriously if it was every other post or anything resembling that I could understand. But there is a very simple way to get around it. Close out after every post and come back in. I don't understand why people get so worked up over a simple solution to a major problem. It helps the mods who may not catch the spambot right away. It helps prevent any younger member from seeing something they shouldn't. And what you have to type 2 extra words once per visit. And this is a huge problem because you have been here for so long so you shouldn't have to? Seriously for all the content they provide you can't give them 2 seconds to type two extra words to contribute to the betterment of the site without crying? Sad dude just plain sad.
You're right, it is sad. It is sad that such a system is an inconvenience, it is sad that when there is a lot of room for improvement we have to, as you say, "close out after every post and come back in" just so we can make a few posts without having to run into this re-captcha system. It is sad that all that 2 seconds spent on re-captcha adds up to a whole load of people hating the system.

This is clearly more problematic than it's worth given the number of adbots that visit the site anyway (honestly, how many have you seen in the years prior to this system? I personally don't recall seeing more than 2/3 a year) and how many do you think "spot-checking" will stop?

Either implement it during registration, or have it on all the time so that we may adapt to it. Having it sporadically pop-up is just plain annoying and THAT is the plain, sad truth of it all.
 

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Calling it now, "Get rid of Re-Captcha" flood incoming

Personally, I find user groups to be a bit..iffy. I don't see any benefit of having them outside a few special cases (like in the RP and forum games section). I would also make post counts redundant, that would at least hamper people making crappy comments just to increase their post numbers.
No not get rid of it because it does serve a purpose.
Yeah well, condoms serve a purpose but there is a time and place for it. I don't however see a reason for sporadic Re-Captcha spot checks for those that have been on this site for more than a year now. I mean if we were spambots, we must have horrible programming because I doubt anyone would invest such a period of time on an internet forum without making a spam post.
It is for ad bots. If you have been here for over a year you must have encountered at least one.
Em, Ad bots are spam. And yes, I have seen them on this site before. Your point?

If they have to use Re-Captcha for spam then implement it to the problematic demographic. Why punish everyone because of the actions of the few?
Can you create a program that would be able to do that because if you can then you should offer it to the escapist
If they can make us enter Captcha letters periodically based on a set number of post we made then I am sure they can make Captcha required only for those who registered recently. It's not a hard concept to grasp and one that I hardly need to develop and hand over to the IT team
Sure it isn't hard to grasp. But I am gonna take a wild guess and say that bringing a concept like that to fruition is a wee bit more challenging.
Given that other forums use it for junior members seems to make me think otherwise. Also, it couldn't be as hard as their current difficulties with implementing a proper baseline re-captcha system. That and if they already have a code for tracking each users post count and bringing up the captcha after say every 20 posts, they can quite easily reset it to bring up captcha for users under, say 600 posts.
Which brings us full circle to if it is so easy why don't you offer them the code to implement such a system?
Ok, you obviously lost the plot here. Let me rephrase: I can't offer that which i don't have. I can only tell them. i.e. make a suggestion but it is finally up to them to decide what's best. I don't know what the technical specifications of the Escapist server is like, that is something the IT team would know, so ONLY THEY can implement a specific Re-Captch system.

Telling me to make the code and give it to them is like me building a new shuttle for NASA because I think they need to upgrade their existing shuttles.

I can't possible do that as much as I like to.
Exactly the point. You don't know what it would take. So to sit there and say they have intentionally implemented a system that is not in the best interest of the site without having a clue what it would take to implement a better system is utter foolishness.
If it wasn't for the fact that other sites have better implementation of the Captcha system, I would be inclined to agree with you. Sadly, Captach could be coupled with Moodle 1.9.1 for Email-based self-registration or use a less intrusive system like the CakePHP implementation.

The point is I don't know what it will take but they will and they could. That is the point of the OP after all.
Right because all sites use the exact same type of coding. They obviously use the captcha once per visit on our second post just to annoy us and drive us away. Or maybe it is some sort of punishment.

Seriously if it was every other post or anything resembling that I could understand. But there is a very simple way to get around it. Close out after every post and come back in. I don't understand why people get so worked up over a simple solution to a major problem. It helps the mods who may not catch the spambot right away. It helps prevent any younger member from seeing something they shouldn't. And what you have to type 2 extra words once per visit. And this is a huge problem because you have been here for so long so you shouldn't have to? Seriously for all the content they provide you can't give them 2 seconds to type two extra words to contribute to the betterment of the site without crying? Sad dude just plain sad.
You're right, it is sad. It is sad that such a system is an inconvenience, it is sad that when there is a lot of room for improvement we have to, as you say, "close out after every post and come back in" just so we can make a few posts without having to run into this re-captcha system. It is sad that all that 2 seconds spent on re-captcha adds up to a whole load of people hating the system.

This is clearly more problematic than it's worth given the number of adbots that visit the site anyway (honestly, how many have you seen in the years prior to this system? I personally don't recall seeing more than 2/3 a year) and how many do you think "spot-checking" will stop?

Either implement it during registration, or have it on all the time so that we may adapt to it. Having it sporadically pop-up is just plain annoying and THAT is the plain, sad truth of it all.
Just so I have this straight. You have no problems wasting your time arguing about nothing here. Typing big walls of text to argue about nothing of any real importance. But god forbid you have to waste 2 seconds typing two words to post the arguement over nothing that took you far longer than 2 seconds to type?

LMAO
 

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I am not arguing about nothing. I was arguing about improving or removing the Captcha system for all it's flaws (especially considering the dyslexic members of the Escapist have voiced out against it) and since you didn't offer a counter point to that other than "deal with it", I think I can say I didn't waste my time. In fact, it's all my time well spent.

You on the otherhand chose to see it as "nothing of importance" while spending an equal amount of time arguing with me. So if I were you i'd reconsider why I was "LMAO"ing.
 

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A way to block a certain person sending you messages...unless this already exists and I just don't know how to do it.
 

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I am not arguing about nothing. I arguing about improving or removing the Captcha system and since you didn't offer a counter point to that, I think I can say I didn't waste my time. That's all my time, well spent.

You however chose to see it as "nothing of importance" while spending an equal amount of time arguing with me. So if I were you i'd reconsider why I was "LMAO"ing.
Time well spent for me because that is what I have been doing for this whole conversation. Free entertainment can't go wrong

lmfao

I don't need to make a counterpoint. My point was made long ago. One that you have yet to counter with any sort of valid arguement. That point being you have no idea about the technical stuff involved. And that the captcha is not some sort of conspiracy to get you to waste 2 seconds of your time just because they can. Unless you can come up with a logical explanation as to why they have this technology like other forums (which I for one have never seen a forum use captchas for posting before) but insist on not using it.

Oh dude you are too funny
 

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I am not arguing about nothing. I arguing about improving or removing the Captcha system and since you didn't offer a counter point to that, I think I can say I didn't waste my time. That's all my time, well spent.

You however chose to see it as "nothing of importance" while spending an equal amount of time arguing with me. So if I were you i'd reconsider why I was "LMAO"ing.
Time well spent for me because that is what I have been doing for this whole conversation. Free entertainment can't go wrong

lmfao

I don't need to make a counterpoint. My point was made long ago. One that you have yet to counter with any sort of valid arguement. That point being you have no idea about the technical stuff involved. And that the captcha is not some sort of conspiracy to get you to waste 2 seconds of your time just because they can.

Oh dude you are too funny
I didn't know you had such low standards in humor! I am glad I could make you smile

That said your point "I have no idea about the technical stuff" is true had it not already been suggested to the IT team. Also I never said it was a conspiracy but it was broken. How you managed to equate the two is a wonder but I'll let it slide because this and your now defensive tone is..just..delicious snack sized bites of amusement for me.

Go on there, got another insult in store?
 

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I am not arguing about nothing. I arguing about improving or removing the Captcha system and since you didn't offer a counter point to that, I think I can say I didn't waste my time. That's all my time, well spent.

You however chose to see it as "nothing of importance" while spending an equal amount of time arguing with me. So if I were you i'd reconsider why I was "LMAO"ing.
Time well spent for me because that is what I have been doing for this whole conversation. Free entertainment can't go wrong

lmfao

I don't need to make a counterpoint. My point was made long ago. One that you have yet to counter with any sort of valid arguement. That point being you have no idea about the technical stuff involved. And that the captcha is not some sort of conspiracy to get you to waste 2 seconds of your time just because they can.

Oh dude you are too funny
I didn't know you had such low standards in humor! I am glad I could make you smile

That said your point "I have no idea about the technical stuff" is true had it not already been suggested to the IT team. Also I never said it was a conspiracy but it was broken. How you managed to equate the two is a wonder but I'll let it slide because this and your now defensive tone is..just..delicious snack sized bites of amusement for me.

Go on there, got another insult in store?
Insult? I gave you a compliment. And I guess I was editing when you posted because you missed the edited version so I'll ask you again. Can you give me a logical explanation as to why they would have the technology you refered to being used in other forums but would use this system instead? That is why you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Because if they have it and opted not to use it there is only one of 2 possible explanations. Either A they are stupid or B they are out to get us. And I have read enough editorials and whatnot that I highly doubt it is A.
 

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squid5580 said:
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squid5580 said:
I am not arguing about nothing. I arguing about improving or removing the Captcha system and since you didn't offer a counter point to that, I think I can say I didn't waste my time. That's all my time, well spent.

You however chose to see it as "nothing of importance" while spending an equal amount of time arguing with me. So if I were you i'd reconsider why I was "LMAO"ing.
Time well spent for me because that is what I have been doing for this whole conversation. Free entertainment can't go wrong

lmfao

I don't need to make a counterpoint. My point was made long ago. One that you have yet to counter with any sort of valid arguement. That point being you have no idea about the technical stuff involved. And that the captcha is not some sort of conspiracy to get you to waste 2 seconds of your time just because they can.

Oh dude you are too funny
I didn't know you had such low standards in humor! I am glad I could make you smile

That said your point "I have no idea about the technical stuff" is true had it not already been suggested to the IT team. Also I never said it was a conspiracy but it was broken. How you managed to equate the two is a wonder but I'll let it slide because this and your now defensive tone is..just..delicious snack sized bites of amusement for me.

Go on there, got another insult in store?
Insult? I gave you a compliment. And I guess I was editing when you posted because you missed the edited version so I'll ask you again. Can you give me a logical explanation as to why they would have the technology you refered to being used in other forums but would use this system instead? That is why you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Because if they have it and opted not to use it there is only one of 2 possible explanations. Either A they are stupid or B they are out to get us. And I have read enough editorials and whatnot that I highly doubt it is A.
There can be more than 2 reasons. Why did you assume its just

a) They are stupid

b) its a conspiracy theory

and then assume I am the conspiracy theorist?

It could be they are unaware, coding implementation problem, a Java Script issue, maybe they think it isn't needed because the Escapist traffic is too high/low for such a thing, maybe they don't want to segregate low post count/new members.

I dunno, it could be many things.

That is why we "suggest" ideas to those in charge in the hopes of bring attention to a few niggling areas or to hear feedback from them.
 

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Kaboose the Moose said:
squid5580 said:
Kaboose the Moose said:
squid5580 said:
Kaboose the Moose said:
squid5580 said:
I am not arguing about nothing. I arguing about improving or removing the Captcha system and since you didn't offer a counter point to that, I think I can say I didn't waste my time. That's all my time, well spent.

You however chose to see it as "nothing of importance" while spending an equal amount of time arguing with me. So if I were you i'd reconsider why I was "LMAO"ing.
Time well spent for me because that is what I have been doing for this whole conversation. Free entertainment can't go wrong

lmfao

I don't need to make a counterpoint. My point was made long ago. One that you have yet to counter with any sort of valid arguement. That point being you have no idea about the technical stuff involved. And that the captcha is not some sort of conspiracy to get you to waste 2 seconds of your time just because they can.

Oh dude you are too funny
I didn't know you had such low standards in humor! I am glad I could make you smile

That said your point "I have no idea about the technical stuff" is true had it not already been suggested to the IT team. Also I never said it was a conspiracy but it was broken. How you managed to equate the two is a wonder but I'll let it slide because this and your now defensive tone is..just..delicious snack sized bites of amusement for me.

Go on there, got another insult in store?
Insult? I gave you a compliment. And I guess I was editing when you posted because you missed the edited version so I'll ask you again. Can you give me a logical explanation as to why they would have the technology you refered to being used in other forums but would use this system instead? That is why you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Because if they have it and opted not to use it there is only one of 2 possible explanations. Either A they are stupid or B they are out to get us. And I have read enough editorials and whatnot that I highly doubt it is A.
There can be more than 2 reasons. Why did you assume its just

a) They are stupid

b) its a conspiracy theory

and then assume I am the conspiracy theorist?

It could be they are unaware, coding implementation problem, a Java Script issue, maybe they think it isn't needed because the Escapist traffic is too high/low for such a thing, maybe they don't want to segregate low post count/new members.

I dunno, it could be many things.

That is why we "suggest" ideas to those in charge in the hopes of bring attention to a few niggling areas or to hear feedback from them.
Did you miss the part where I said "if they have the technology (so all those things you just listed are non issue because they have the technology) and aren't using it?" Do you not think that if they had a better system they would have used it? Thus being the point all along. Which goes back to either A or B.

No longer funny. Now it is just sad.
 

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Put down a three strike rule for offenses. Make three offenses that warrant a probation, you get a suspension. Make three offenses that warrant a suspension, and you get banned.
Sure, there would be exceptions for it. But I think my basic idea is what can be read above.

Not to say that I don't like the current form of moderating. Just my personal idea.
 

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Did you miss the part where I said "if they have the technology (so all those things you just listed are non issue because they have the technology) and aren't using it?" Do you not think that if they had a better system they would have used it? Thus being the point all along. Which goes back to either A or B.

No longer funny. Now it is just sad.
Oh goody! Progress!!!

See, if we knew..without a doubt..its a technical issue then I'll be all over your boat like a barnacle. Except we don't know why its not implemented. It could be for any number of reasons. To assume that they implemented the BEST system by default is redundant unless you subscribe to a world view that anything that anyone in a position of authority does is flawless.

That's a very rose-tinted way of looking at things because here's the real deal. People fuck up, people sometimes make mistakes, people sometimes are unaware of how bad somethings can be without others pointing it out for them.

The fact of the matter is, Captcha is intrusive, hard to read and a pain for people with dyslexia. It's trying to combat a non-problem (what 2-3 adbots a year constitutes the implementation of a Re-Captcha system?) by causing more problems than its worth.

Of course, I can see why you think its sad because you assume that it's already a perfect system. News flash though, not everything is perfect and, by god you better learn this soon, people with power don't always make perfect decisions. I don't why the Escapist ran with this broken system that almost everyone here hates but for whatever reason they are sticking to it. All we can do is point out it's rubbish.

You are free to subscribe to the notion that "it's in our best interest" but others, pragmatic people, like to differ.
 

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Tr3mbl3Tr3mbl3 said:
Pirate Kitty said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Pirate Kitty said:
Replace the mods with robots.
Giant robots with laser eyes and rocket fists?
No. Lawful neutral mods, void of bias and sympathy.
Did you get put on probation for something stupid (i.e. the only reason people ever get put on probation on this site) like voicing an opinion that a power hungry mod didn't like? I bet I get warning message for this post, too.

Also, I'd like to see a better exercise of online community regarding Xbox Live and PSN. You think a game site would have some sort of regular event to play with other members on a consistently rotational selection of games, but this wouldn't be the first time I wss wrond about something on the Internet.
No, she is saying this because she believes a moderator should also get a warning for warning her through satirical text.

OT: I would probably bring back TIEM as a published article for the Escapist, highlighting the community.
 

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squid5580 said:
Did you miss the part where I said "if they have the technology (so all those things you just listed are non issue because they have the technology) and aren't using it?" Do you not think that if they had a better system they would have used it? Thus being the point all along. Which goes back to either A or B.

No longer funny. Now it is just sad.
Oh goody! Progress!!!

See, if we knew..without a doubt..its a technical issue then I'll be all over your boat like a barnacle. Except we don't know why its not implemented. It could be for any number of reasons. To assume that they implemented the BEST system by default is redundant unless you subscribe to a world view that anything that anyone in a position of authority does is flawless.

That's a very rose-tinted way of looking at things because here's the real deal. People fuck up, people sometimes make mistakes, people sometimes are unaware of how bad somethings can be without others pointing it out for them.

The fact of the matter is, Captcha is intrusive, hard to read and a pain for people with dyslexia. It's trying to combat a non-problem (what 2-3 adbots a year constitutes the implementation of a Re-Captcha system?) by causing more problems and hindered than its worth.

Of course, I can see why you think its sad because you assume that it's already a perfect system. News flash though, not everything is perfect and, by god you better learn this soon, people with power don't always make perfect decisions. I don't why the Escapist ran with this broken system that almost everyone here hates but for whatever reason they are sticking to it.

You are free to subscribe to the notion that "it's in our best interest" but others, pragmatic people, like to differ.
Oh back to the giggles. Sad I had to bold it for you for you to finally acknowledge it. First let me just say I agree with you about the font. There is no need for it (see first post). Second I never once said it was perfect. Perfect would be not needing it in the first place (because perfect would mean no bots). Now I don't know what time zone you are in (infact I honestly can never remember which one I am in) but I have seen more than my fair share of bots being here later on at night. 2 or 3 a year? Try a week. That was just on the gaming forum which is where I spend the majority of my time (thread title caught my interest in the box on right). And ones I saw. Who knows how many had uninteresting titles so I didn't bother. SO neither one of us really know the full extent of the problem. And it is arrogant to claim there is only 2 or 3 a year when you really have no idea unless you are checking every post on every board. I know it doesn't fit your arguement and doesn't help you "win", my apologies.

Now that we have cleared up that you still have yet to answer the simple question.

What logical explanation would they have to not use a better system if they have one?

Time to either shit or get off the pot. You have danced around and dodged this question since it began. How about trying to answer it if you can.
 

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What logical explanation would they have to not use a better system if they have one?

Time to either shit or get off the pot. You have danced around and dodged this question since it began. How about trying to answer it if you can.
I have answered that before but let me quench your ADHD again.

There are many possible reasons. To name a few:

They don't know about the alternatives, they don't think the alternatives is appropraite or necessary, they are unaware that it's problematic for people to read and to those suffering from specific conditions, they may think its restrictive to newcomers to the site, etc..etc..

Of course if you have an alternate definition "logical" other than "the one I think is right" I'd like to hear it otherwise I'll have to be a soothsayer to answer this to your satisfaction. So no, I am not dancing around the question, I am just guessing as to why they haven't implemented a different system.

Now to address the other issues

Firstly I am not the only one that references the adbot problem as minor, in off-topic it has never (at least from my time here) been a weekly epidemic. You can in fact check the Captcha threads made previously where people have questioned the extent of the spamming problem. If you say there were weekly spamming problems in the gaming section then perhaps Captcha should be enforced there rather than somewhere where it's wasn't as problematic. Trolls however, are a different matter altogether

Even if I was to indulge the notion that the site as a whole drew in colossal traffic from spammers, wouldn't the best tactic be to then employ capthca all the time (a la 4chan), instead of "spotchecking" every 10 posts? So either the problem isn't as bad as weekly spam or it's some kind of trial period where a full implementation is being tested or some people somewhere are overreacting

So now I am going to bold this bit for you to understand, very clearly, what I am saying.

The Captcha system is problematic, it's implementation is intrusive to users and users with dyslexia. The words are hard to read and Admin has yet to respond as to why Captcha isn't used in registration as opposed to forum comments. And also why do Pubclub members get a free pass on this Captcha thing? Until all these answers are resolved I refuse to believe that this system is the best implementation for the forum and is without need of improvement.

Also and I am going to bring it up again because I have a feeling you are going to ask me

"What logical explanation would they have to not use a better system if they have one?"
because that seems to be the only thing you are capable of asking me, to which I respond (again):

Many reasons. They range from ignorance to general laziness with a dash of "I never thought of that" thrown in for good measure.

PS- apologies if I shat in your pot..again.