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Wow, more than 50 Americans watched the World Cup?

Also, if you can't laugh at how dumb this all is, you're going to be pissed off for the rest of your life.
 

starwarsgeek

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Sansha said:
Okay why do Americans insist on focusing on an event in history we'd all rather just forget about and move on?

You don't see the UK, France, Russia or especially Germany making such a big fucking deal out of WW2, or indeed referencing the event in such an atrocious, insulting manner. Sure the aforementioned nations have their ceremonies and parades, but they have a sense of dignity and self-respect about the issue.

Yahtzee said it best - it's probably because it's the last time the US shared in a decisive victory over an enemy posing a genuine threat.
A few drunken, tasteless morons are making asses of themselves online. I highly doubt this is exclusive to Americans, even if the topics are different.
As for that particular topic...we grew up hearing about it. Many of us have grandfathers or great-grandfathers who served in WW2. We've heard their stories, seen great movies about it, ect. The war is close enough were it feels recent, but not so close that it feels disrespectful to talk about it. Many of us are proud of our nation's role in that war...but not all of us are as disrespectful as those people in the picture. Don't judge an entire nation by the actions of a few idiots.

If you like, you could take it up with them. Their profiles aren't that hard to find ;)
 

juraigamer

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Spartan448 said:
And THIS is why if the Terminators ever come into existance, the first thing they should do is go back in time and stop Mark Zuckerberg from creating Facebook.
I'd rather him go back in time, steal all the development, then kill him, then I would run facebook with restrictions in place to keep stupid people from making stupid posts like this.
 

Sansha

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starwarsgeek said:
Sansha said:
Okay why do Americans insist on focusing on an event in history we'd all rather just forget about and move on?

You don't see the UK, France, Russia or especially Germany making such a big fucking deal out of WW2, or indeed referencing the event in such an atrocious, insulting manner. Sure the aforementioned nations have their ceremonies and parades, but they have a sense of dignity and self-respect about the issue.

Yahtzee said it best - it's probably because it's the last time the US shared in a decisive victory over an enemy posing a genuine threat.
A few drunken, tasteless morons are making asses of themselves online. I highly doubt this is exclusive to Americans, even if the topics are different.
As for that particular topic...we grew up hearing about it. Many of us have grandfathers or great-grandfathers who served in WW2. We've heard their stories, seen great movies about it, ect. The war is close enough were it feels recent, but not so close that it feels disrespectful to talk about it. Many of us are proud of our nation's role in that war...but not all of us are as disrespectful as those people in the picture. Don't judge an entire nation by the actions of a few idiots.

If you like, you could take it up with them. Their profiles aren't that hard to find ;)
I'm with you that this isn't a 100% representation of Americans, but the thing is I never see it on such an en masse scale out of other nations, even Russia who are brutally proud of their role in winning WW2 for the Allies.

America gets sneak attacked and finally enters the war, fights in Europe and the Pacific, nukes two cities and then claims to have been the heroes?

Now I, a New Zealand citizen, feel I owe my way of life to the American soldiers who fought the Japanese back away from the South Pacific, so thanks for that, but being the glorious heroes who won the war?

Get fuckin' real.
 

Slick Samurai

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Welcome to the human race. You're going to find opinions that don't align with your own, you're going to photoscrap it into one giant picture then make a thread about it to try to find comfort in other people's reactions.

Am I supposed to assume that this little montage of people opposing my viewpoint represents facebook or America? Am I supposed to be aghast with shock at xenophobia? No, because it is a fact of society, I have accepted these traits.
 

CerealBoxMicrowave

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This is very, very distressing to me. The nuclear attacks on both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were human tragedies, and now some narrow-minded bigots are using them to try to make themselves feel better about their country's team losing in a freaking football match? That in itself is vile and degenerative, but the fact that those people decided that it was a good, and well informed idea to post it on a public forum is even more despicable! This entire thing reeks of xenophobia and blatant racism being passed off as "patriotism" by these Facebook users. That entire image made me sick to my stomach. Not good, not good at all.
 

Spartan448

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juraigamer said:
I'd rather him go back in time, steal all the development, then kill him, then I would run facebook with restrictions in place to keep stupid people from making stupid posts like this.
Yes, that is a pretty stupid post ya made there. Care to try again?
 

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Archangel357 said:
Sansha said:
Okay why do Americans insist on focusing on an event in history we'd all rather just forget about and move on?

You don't see the UK, France, Russia or especially Germany making such a big fucking deal out of WW2, or indeed referencing the event in such an atrocious, insulting manner. Sure the aforementioned nations have their ceremonies and parades, but they have a sense of dignity and self-respect about the issue.

Yahtzee said it best - it's probably because it's the last time the US shared in a decisive victory over an enemy posing a genuine threat.
For one thing. And I'd even qualify that. See, America only got into the war once Germany was already beaten (at Stalingrad and Kursk) - for all intents and purposes, their enemy from '43-'44 on wasn't Germany, but the USSR. They took advantage of the fact that Europe lay in ruins and all her powers were on their last legs to establish a quasi-colonial hegemony over Western Europe for 50 years. How else do you explain the fact that while WWII started in '39, they only sent soldiers to Europe in '43?
Haha. What. Isolationism. Look it up. 30s-43 The US really really did not want to get into what they viewed as a "European conflict." Look what happened last time.(WW1) America came in, got their boys killed. And... NOTHING CHANGED.
So the country decided "haha. No. We're not getting involved again."
Archangel357 said:
As for Japan, well, please. America starved Japan, gave them no other choice but to either become an American satrapy or starve to death. The reasoning there was "either we submit or starve in six months, or we go to war, and submit or starve in three years".
It's more like we said Haha. Stop attacking China or no iron. They didnt so we cut off the iron export. They shrugged and decided "lol we're just going to take it ourselves then. But we cripple you first k?"
Archangel357 said:
But still, even for all that, America actually fought real enemies there. One 1/4 its size and one half its size, sure, and with the rest of the world (Britain, China, the USSR) having already done the hard work - but still, Japan and Germany at least were clearly defined arseholes back then, and they had factories in which they built their own tanks and bombers.

Nowadays? Lol. They unfurl giant "Mission Accomplished" banners on carrier flight decks when the country that spends as much on weapons as #'s 2-18 on the defence budgets list PUT TOGETHER beats some third world sh*thole in the desert. And then sends mercenaries in to murder civilians. It's really quite risible - imagine a heavyweight boxer beating up a starving child and murdering its parents, and then prancing and preening like he had just beaten Klitschko for the championship.

But when you look at those comments, one thing becomes abundantly clear - the idiocy of uncritical, fanatic patriotism. And I am sorry to say, most of the civilised world is over that stuff, which is why people associate it with Americans. Why is that? Well, to say some dumb sh*t like those people, you need two factors. One: utter ignorance of the outside world. Two: the need to compensate for one's ignorance and insignificance by desperately latching onto something bigger than oneself.

Well, the average American has never been to a foreign country. The average American does not speak a foreign language, or know much of anything about foreign cultures. The average American, I am again sorry to say, is dumb as a rock. BUT, they are part of a great country, a country which has given the world some of its greatest minds, learning institutions, and economic paragons - the country of Melville, O'Neill, Jefferson, Sagan, Eisenhower, what have you. So what happens is that the greatness of the country consumes the insignificance of the individual. By attempting to get some small measure of this greatness by association, the latter becomes an American first, a human being second, because it's all his dumb arse has to distinguish itself.

It's really quite sad.

Now, I am by no means saying that ALL or even the majority of Americans are like this. Hell no. Half my family is American, and they're people with Dartmouth degrees and Stanford fellowships, who speak three languages and have been to every continent. But with some soul-searching, I think most Americans can admit that, alas, their country is home to an astounding number of people with the intellect, education and critical faculties of a f*cking rock.
I cant argue with that. The way war is conducted now is through contractors. PMCs if you will. Except that used to be called War Profiteering. And was ILLEGAL. But hey buy enough senators and you can go everywhere.

I agree that its this blind fanaticism for your own country. That and the inability to stfu when you have nothing nice to say.

Oh noes Japan won the women's world cup. Better go bomb them hurr hurr hurr. Better remind them of the terrible loss of life and natural devastation of the only two nuclear devices detonated in war. Hurr hurr hurr.

It's like are you people just saying that? Or do you actually f'ing believe it?


In any case:



I no longer wish to live on this planet anymore. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA]
 

RelexCryo

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So less than a hundred people are being stupid on a webservice used by dozens of millions of people? Why do you care? I am fairly sure the majority of this small number are trolling. Even if they weren't trolling, a few dozen morons out of several dozen million people isn't particularly noteworthy.
 

Ramzal

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It's not as if all Americans are like this. It's just the stupid ones that are louder. But it's hard to agrue that point given how many people acted like that. This is not actual patriotism. Patriotism is simply standing for the rights of all and working towards a better future for all, moving together and standing together as one. The moment someone see's anyone as some bigotted view or label, they are full of shit.

These people are part of our generation that has simple access to luxurys, take them for granted, and parade up and down saying "I love America" when they've never had to sacrifice a damn thing for their country, and have done nothing but take and feed. However, I feel not need to apologize for these idiots, seeing as how they are just that. Idiots. Most of which can walk into an elevator shaft for all I care.
 

-Samurai-

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RelexCryo said:
So less than a hundred people are being stupid on a webservice used by dozens of millions of people? Why do you care? I am fairly sure the majority of this small number are trolling. Even if they weren't trolling, a few dozen morons out of several dozen million people isn't particularly noteworthy.
The people here care because it gives them another reason to ***** about the USA.

What's that? A few people made some dumb remarks? Better condemn the entire country, then. Because that's not equally as ignorant or xenophobic.
 

Wuggy

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starwarsgeek said:
I love how one of them made an apology afterwards. Apparently I wasn't the only one hunting down their profiles and reporting several of the offending posts for hate speech.
Yeah, you're not the only one. I'm doing it right now.
 

Vangaurd227

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Wow....The sheer stupidity of these people alone is enough to make an average person facepalm.....but this just makes me want to cry
 

A Free Man

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It's not so much ignorance as it is just plain irrelevant and narcassistic. But realistically people are stupid, the majority of the time. So these things always have happened and always will don't let it offend you so much.
 

Vrex360

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Did I seriously just see someone refer to the Japanese as 'slanty eyes'?
Jesus Christ, the degree of racism and sexism in that huge collection of posts is shocking. For god's sake, Hiroshima was a horrible thing and something that has been burned into the racial memory of Japan ever since. Millions of people died there.
It's in, worse then, poor taste to then compare that 'victory' to losing in a sports match.
 

starwarsgeek

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Sansha said:
I'm with you that this isn't a 100% representation of Americans, but the thing is I never see it on such an en masse scale out of other nations, even Russia who are brutally proud of their role in winning WW2 for the Allies.

America gets sneak attacked and finally enters the war, fights in Europe and the Pacific, nukes two cities and then claims to have been the heroes?

Now I, a New Zealand citizen, feel I owe my way of life to the American soldiers who fought the Japanese back away from the South Pacific, so thanks for that, but being the glorious heroes who won the war?

Get fuckin' real.
I think it's a combination of patriotism and American culture. Our history is pretty much taught as a combination of colonization, inventions, civil rights movements, and war, so we grow up with a great love of our freedoms and victories (for some reason, inventions don't seem to be brought up as much). From a certain point of view, we can be seen as a warrior nation. As such, we have a great deal of respect for our soldiers who fought in these wars. The United States made a major impact in world history during World War 2, and because of our culture, we are immensely proud of this fact.

Unfortunately, class time is finite, and our history classes will, obviously, focus on America's involvement whenever possible. This leads many to think we pretty much saved the day on our own. The people you describe act out of not just a sense of patriotism and culture, but also ignorance. It's annoying, but mostly harmless, (after all, it's all about loving their country, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that) and hopefully advances in technology will enhance education enough where we can thoroughly cover all sides in major world events.

Sadly, it does not end with simple ignorance. The worst part of it comes from the kind of people who make the comments seen in that picture. In their ignorance and stupidity, they twist the idea of patriotism from "loving your country" to "hating other countries". Add in the feeling of anonymity from the internet (even though they knew their friends would see the comments, they never imagined their stupidity would spark a multi-national discussion on a gaming forum), and it's the perfect breeding ground for the worst kind of patriotism--hate fueled.


Summary:
War is simply a major part of our culture, and most of us are proud of our soldiers' accomplishments (which, to the average citizen, is second only to freedom in a list of things to be patriotic about). An imperfect education system leads many to the conclusion that America single-handedly won the war. Out of those who don't have the full picture, a stupid minority make hate-filled comments like those in the facebook picture, making the rest of us look bad.


That's my opinion on why we Americans speak about World War 2 so often. I'm not sure why others don't bring it up though.