I'm a vegan and I come in peace...
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I am a Vegatarian too, but not a vegan.
And btw. i hate the f**** idiots who say that a vegetarian is only goind half the way, while shoving steaks in their mouth.
But I think killing animals for food isn't neccessary, but i do think that having domestic animals is a good think, so i am vegetarian and not vegan.
And btw. i hate the f**** idiots who say that a vegetarian is only goind half the way, while shoving steaks in their mouth.
But I think killing animals for food isn't neccessary, but i do think that having domestic animals is a good think, so i am vegetarian and not vegan.
So, why can't we drink milk or eat eggs? Neither are life, or even have that potential 
I eat meat, but imo, if people are going to use the "animals are life and life is precious" argument, going vegetarian is the logical conclusion, not vegan.Amaror said:
Humans don't need protein we need essential amino acids, all of which can easily be acquired from vegetable sources.geekRAGE said:
If you eat meat, do inform yourself as to where your meat comes from, what the effects of eating it is, and don't avoid the facts, watch Earthlings [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys] and then decide what you want to eat.
Actually, humans are perfectly capable of escaping this "nature" of ours. It's just most can't be fucking bothered.
I grew up on a ranch. I have seen cattle, swine, and fowl butchered. I have eaten their meat. I have named some of these animals and even treated some of them like pets. I never deceived myself into believing they were not going to die and become food. I can accept that, having known these animals from their births to their deaths.
What's your hang-up?
There is nothing that you eat that doesn't die. You kill to eat as surely as I do. Just because what you eat doesn't yelp when you pluck it doesn't mean you're not killing it. Most fresh produce is still alive when it's thrown on the plate. So you're eating it alive. How's that feel?
We must kill to feed ourselves. Every animal must. Don't try to moralize your dietary choices just because you get squeamish about bloodshed in the name of sustenance.
At least have the honesty to admit that you can't handle it.
What's your hang-up?
There is nothing that you eat that doesn't die. You kill to eat as surely as I do. Just because what you eat doesn't yelp when you pluck it doesn't mean you're not killing it. Most fresh produce is still alive when it's thrown on the plate. So you're eating it alive. How's that feel?
We must kill to feed ourselves. Every animal must. Don't try to moralize your dietary choices just because you get squeamish about bloodshed in the name of sustenance.
At least have the honesty to admit that you can't handle it.
Hmm, I eat meat as it's tasty. I eat meat because it contains proteins/minerals that you don't get in vegetables. I eat my fair share of vegetables and fruit too; most of them in fact - Humans evolved as much meat eaters as plant eaters. We need it to sustain a perfectly healthy diet.
Scientist in the UK have developed factory grown natural meat. It's the same principle as growing a liver from a small culture of liver cells, but with cow muscle. So far it's working and is stupidly more efficient as a source of meat than growing then slaughtering an animal. Significantly cheaper too and 100% natural. Makes you wonder how something factory grown is natural? Well, it's supplied the exact same sources as a cows diet and fed to the cells in the same method as the digestive system. The only thing not natural about this meat is it's grown in a building and not up against bone, but that doesn't change the meat at all.
Would you eat factory-grown meat of whose existence resulted in the death of 0 cows; and is asbiologically equivalent
IS biologically the same to grown-in-a-cow meat so much so it can legitimately be called "natural", right down to the mineral uptake of the muscle cells during cultivation?
Scientist in the UK have developed factory grown natural meat. It's the same principle as growing a liver from a small culture of liver cells, but with cow muscle. So far it's working and is stupidly more efficient as a source of meat than growing then slaughtering an animal. Significantly cheaper too and 100% natural. Makes you wonder how something factory grown is natural? Well, it's supplied the exact same sources as a cows diet and fed to the cells in the same method as the digestive system. The only thing not natural about this meat is it's grown in a building and not up against bone, but that doesn't change the meat at all.
Would you eat factory-grown meat of whose existence resulted in the death of 0 cows; and is as
IS biologically the same to grown-in-a-cow meat so much so it can legitimately be called "natural", right down to the mineral uptake of the muscle cells during cultivation?
I try and buy free range meats w/out hormones. Aside from that I eat meat with no regrets.
It's already been scientifically proven that plants react to light, sound and are able to feel, just because they don't scream out when you uproot, cut, and steam them doesn't mean they don't feel pain.
Besides the animals already dead, seems like it'd be disrespectful to the animal not to eat it.
It's already been scientifically proven that plants react to light, sound and are able to feel, just because they don't scream out when you uproot, cut, and steam them doesn't mean they don't feel pain.
Besides the animals already dead, seems like it'd be disrespectful to the animal not to eat it.
I'm a very strong believer in the "To each his own" policy.
What I dont like about veg-people in general is the preachy attitude some cultivate. This however works both ways.
I was a vegetarian for five years before giving it up and sheesh, my choice was questioned several times a week. Gets pretty tiresome. Then again, I never tried to convince anyone to give up eating meat.
Short version: If you choose not to eat meat, I will respect it and not question it. I expect the same courtesy however.
What I dont like about veg-people in general is the preachy attitude some cultivate. This however works both ways.
I was a vegetarian for five years before giving it up and sheesh, my choice was questioned several times a week. Gets pretty tiresome. Then again, I never tried to convince anyone to give up eating meat.
Short version: If you choose not to eat meat, I will respect it and not question it. I expect the same courtesy however.
Actually, I didn't call you a racist.Blablahb said:
I called your defense the "casual racism" defense, as it's better known to be employed by folks who try and assert their racist notions are true because every (insert ethnicity here) they've ever met is (insert subject matter here).
That does not in any way indicate you are a racist.
Nice try, though. You should probably work on your comprehension before you go determining what people are saying and why. You even developed a whole conspiracy theory based on that line of bull. Good job.
You make some very valid points, however:Cadmium Magenta said:
Humanity is killing a great many plants and tree's too. Do plants not count as animals? they live don't they? they also follow the 'MRS GREN' list of life processes. Also, considering that many plants have adapted and evolved to mimic insects and so forth, they must have some form of sentience or intelligence we are not capable of yet seeing or understanding. Is it wrong to eat plants?
Regardless of your answers, and regardless of your eating habits, I respect them. I just wanted to point out that plants are animals too - they just aren't the ones that make noises and walk about: "We weep for the blood of a bird, but not the blood of a fish; blessed are those who have voice".
My honest opinion? Whilst I agree from a technological and perhaps an intelligence standpoint we could be superior to animals, but in physical terms we're probably one of the weakest animals on the planet. We've over come our physicaly limitations, and are now eating our fill in terms of livestock, farming etc. So long as we are needlessly killing animals willy nilly, I think eating other animals (including plants) is justifiable.