I'm beginning to hate Valve.

[Tanakh]

While exact dev time is not known, I highly doubt it was "a year" - work on the story was done from before even SC2 was released, actual more focused development started later but it's not like they just crammed it for a year.

And here I thought the story for SC and all the Blizz titles was done by committee by drunken teenage Warhammer fanboys in a spring break afternoon.

Gameplay tough? I love level of polish they manage to incorporate in mere 3 years and when you see guys like Innovation execute a 3 prong drop attack while microing his main army and macroing you have to be amazed by the beauty of the game.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Umm what? That's some entitlement complex you got on ya. It's one thing to spend money on a product and then feel like it isn't what was promised to you when you bought it, but THEY'RE TAKING TOO LONG TO GIVE ME THINGS TO SPEND MONEY ON is not really a valid consumer complaint. If valve really wanted to it would be well within its rights to discontinue half life entirely.

If Tell Tale games released half a season of Walking dead and then stopped making it, not for financial reasons, but simply because they stopped bothering to make them would it annoy you?

You see there's a difference between not continuing a series, and not finishing a game. The Half Life 2 Episodes are effectively an unfinished game.

From a narrative standpoint yes, from a logistics standpoint, no. There's not really any consumer malpractice going on. All the half life episodes are sold separately so it can't really be bad consumer practice because as of right now no consumers for the next half life exist. Yeah, it can be frustrating if you're anticipating something and it doesn't come out but until they've taken your money for it they don't actually owe it to you.

 

[Frozengale]

Dude, you're wasting your time. It doesn't matter what Valve does now or in the past, people will just rationalize whatever they do so they can stick to their fanboy-ism.

How is it fanboy-ism? His complaint is literally "I WANT VALVE TO TALK TO ME MORE!" We're just saying that Valve does NOT need to tell us more, they don't owe us that or anything. They have been burned in the past by telling to much or making predictions about release dates, so they stopped and instead they just release things when they are finished. They have been pretty transparent about this fact.

Since when did a company being quite about their projects suddenly mean that the company is horrible? We literally live in a world where we get hundreds of games a year, many of them are marketed to an absurd degree to the point where a game will be released before it is even complete because they feel like they have to stick to the plans they made. This has resulted in a whole bunch of games that should have been good turning out to be tripe. So why is it fanboy-ism to be okay with the fact that one company doesn't do this? The company does NOT have to talk to you about everything they are doing, the only reason a company ever does tell people about stuff is for marketing. Why is it such a horrible thing that they keep quite on some of their projects?

 

[DeaDRabbiT]

My problem, which I apparently failed to make clear, is that they keep everyone in the dark and sit on their high chair without communicating their plans or anything. It's the air of superiority and--frankly entitlement-- coming from them that pisses me off and the blind defense of their practices shown here. Not the fact that they haven't released it.

It's called hype bro.

 

[Frozengale]

Actually he's not saying that at all.
What's he's pissed at is the fact that Valve promised Episodic content, and then changed their minds after people had already invested in those first games. Now people have invested 60 dollars into a story with no ending (because each episode was 30 dollars if I remember correctly), which is curiously similar to Mass Effect 3 in some respects, yet it's okay to complain about one but not the other?

Nope. Here is, in his own words, his complaint :

My problem, which I apparently failed to make clear, is that they keep everyone in the dark and sit on their high chair without communicating their plans or anything. It's the air of superiority and--frankly entitlement-- coming from them that pisses me off and the blind defense of their practices shown here. Not the fact that they haven't released it.

Also do you actually believe that Valve won't release more half-life in due time? I don't even play the half-life games but even I know they will eventually release a new one. The problem with Mass Effect 3 is a crappy ending. The problem with Half-Life is the ending is taking longer then expected to come out. But you have to remember fans go completely batty if they say ANYTHING about Half-life. They have had problems with leaks in the past (Half-Life 2 alpha/beta being leaked online) and problems with release dates. Is it so hard to believe that the only reason they are keeping quite is because people are freaking morons and can't handle delays. So they side step the whole problem by not announcing anything until it's ready.

 

[Shingeki no Gingerbeard]

No, you've failed to see the problem with the ending of Mass Effect 3. The problem was they actually lied during their marketing about the content of their ending. Whether or not the ending was "bad" is a separate issue entirely, and subjective at best. As poor as the critical reaction to the ending was, the problem people had with the company itself was the false advertising.

I am so sick and tired of seeing this. Bioware never lied about the content of the ending to ME3. They never promised radically different outcomes. Allow me to quote you the back of the box itself.

"Earth is now ground zero in the war to save the galaxy, and how you wage that war is entirely up to you. Groundbreaking interactive storytelling drives the heart-pounding action in which each decision you make could have devastating and deadly consequences."

I actually got to chose how to wage my war, whether I bolstered my forces through diplomacy or by rattling my omni-blade. Even though I spared the Rachni once before, I refused to spare them a second time after they were captured and turned by the Reapers. It was them or Grunt, and I chose my friend. Wrex, too, earned my loyalty and I kept my word that I would cure the genophage, even though it cost me Salarian aid. The only reason I chose Synthesis as my ending was because I actually brokered peace between the Quarians and the Geth; a pocket war that easily could have gone either way.

I sacrificed friends and pawns alike to garner favor and gain powerful allies. I went on scavenger hunts for salvageable ships and resources. I even went a few rounds in multiplayer and promoted more soldiers to the front lines.

But it didn't have to be this way. Even with all my decisions over ME1 & ME2, I still could have mucked it up in ME3.

I could say it a thousand different ways, but it's not the destination that matters; it's the journey.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

No,
Just like EA doesn't owe you a "survival horror" Dead Space 3.
Nor does EA owe you a single player Sim City.
Nor a single player KOTOR3

Yet people ***** up and down when EA does these things and apparently that's okay? But when Valve does the same thing people say "oh what's your problem? It's Valve, they can do what they want to do"

which is curiously similar to Mass Effect 3 in some respects, yet it's okay to complain about one but not the other?

Which implies these are the same people making these complaints

But fine I'll bite.

Dead Space 3? Yeah EA doesn't owe us anything, nor does Visceral Games. But if EA decides to monetize everything then people will criticize it if they don't like the results. I made my decision to not buy it, and rather keep myself away from any EA backed products from that point on.

No EA does not owe us a single-player Sim City, nor does Maxis. But if people paid money for a product to work and it doesn't work.......then that's a problem, just as Diablo III was a problem. If they try to justify this with "it needed to work like that" and that's untrue, it doesn't look very good.

Who asks for EA for KOTOR 3? Bioware made their TOR, and people bought it if they wanted it. I didn't care for an MMO, so I didn't buy it.

The complaints of ME3 are more than just "this wasn't the ending you said we'd get." It's that the ending was badly written and didn't make any sense. Did Bioware owe us anything? No. But it'd be in their best interests to take notes.

Actually he's not saying that at all.

Looks that way to me.

My problem, which I apparently failed to make clear, is that they keep everyone in the dark and sit on their high chair without communicating their plans or anything.

He dislikes Valve being secretive. Fine. He hates them for not communicating their plans. Ok well I think that's silly. I don't enjoy it either, but I just think it's silly to get worked up over it.

What's he's pissed at is the fact that Valve promised Episodic content

Promised? They said it was their plan, they didn't promise anyone. Criticize them for having bad planning (which I do), not breaking a nonexistant promise.

, and then changed their minds after people had already invested in those first games.

How is it an investment? There is no contract between customers and developers. We did not pay money for them to finish the series, we paid money to get part of the series. Unless you are an investor who made that contract with Valve

Now people have invested 60 dollars into a story with no ending (because each episode was 30 dollars if I remember correctly),

Again, not an investment.

 

[Frozengale]

Actually he's not saying that at all.

Looks that way to me.

My problem, which I apparently failed to make clear, is that they keep everyone in the dark and sit on their high chair without communicating their plans or anything.

_

What's he's pissed at is the fact that Valve promised Episodic content

Promised? They said it was their plan, they didn't promise anyone. Criticize them for having bad planning (which I do), not breaking a nonexistant promise.

, and then changed their minds after people had already invested in those first games.

How is it an investment? There is no contract between customers and developers. We did not pay money for them to finish the series, we paid money to get part of the series. Unless you are an investor who made that contract with EA.

Now people have invested 60 dollars into a story with no ending (because each episode was 30 dollars if I remember correctly),

Again, not an investment.

Get your quotes right. I never said any of that.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

snip

My bard, one wrong cut and paste. Fixed now.

 

[Daft Time]

SNIP

You've been making assumptions based on the wrong quote. Try; ?Along the way, your choices drive powerful outcomes, including relationships with key characters, the fate of entire civilizations, and even radically different ending scenarios.?

Funnily enough, the quote uses the same phrasing you did when you said they didn't make those claims. Heh. Source: Bioware's Own Site. [http://masseffect.bioware.com/about/story/]

 

[Elijin]

...are you for real?
Not entitled, huh.

snip

>Counter Strike is a COD ripoff
>>Counter Strike is a COD ripoff
>>>COD ripoff
WHAT THE FUCKING HELL DID I JUST READ? SON, CS FIRST CAME OUT IN 1999. 1.9.9.9. COD 1: 2003. Not only that, but the gameplay is COMPLETELY different. That's like saying that Halo is a COD ripoff. Halo came before and the gameplay isn't the same. its like saying DOOM is a COD ripoff.
Also, all those devs are fucking MASSIVE and have giant mega corporations to fund them. Not only that, but you're acting like those games are all fucking great when really, they fucking aren't. Yeah, we're fanboys cause we know the fact that Valve isn't FUCKING BLIZZARD. Great.
Also: SO FUCKING WHAT IF YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS FOR A SEQUEL? REALLY. WHO GIVES A SHIT? SO HAVE I. SO HAVE US ALL. THERE ARE FRANCHISES THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A SEQUEL SINCE THE VERY EARLY 00'S. ARE THEY COMPLAINING LIKE YOU? ARE THEY DISOWNING THE FRANCHISE? GET. OVER. YOUR. SELF.

If you read his post without your haze of anger, you'd notice he was specifically referring to CS:GO, which is in fact, a CoD rip off. It being a CoD rip off is why CS:S still has such a strong community.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

No, you've failed to see the problem with the ending of Mass Effect 3. The problem was they actually lied during their marketing about the content of their ending. Whether or not the ending was "bad" is a separate issue entirely, and subjective at best. As poor as the critical reaction to the ending was, the problem people had with the company itself was the false advertising.

I am so sick and tired of seeing this. Bioware never lied about the content of the ending to ME3. They never promised radically different outcomes.

source of original quote: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2
see second paragraph

Straight from the man's mouth.

You're Welcome.

 

[-Datura-]

If you read his post without your haze of anger, you'd notice he was specifically referring to CS:GO, which is in fact, a CoD rip off. It being a CoD rip off is why CS:S still has such a strong community.

*****, please. CS:GO and CoD have nothing to do with each other, save some superfical aesthetic similarities.

Furthermoar, CS:S has the about the same number of fanbois as does CS 1.6. Which is The One True CS, and does anyone care?

Spoiler

No.

 

[rapidoud]

I don't like Valve because they're corporate scum;

- Systematic sales so you check their store daily
- Allowing price gouging (GMG stood up to 2K Games; Valve handed them the key)
- Putting the big picture button next to the close button so there's a strong chance you will experience it regardless of whether or not you want to
- Community all over the bloody place; this isn't WoW you're not selling me a subscription based on how attached I am to the people there
- Steam DRM getting shoved down more games; ArmA 3, metro: LL, Far Cry 3, and more. The crap doesn't work; it lets pirates play with legitimate customers
- Steam sell keys for games they don't actually have keys for. Star Wars: Empire at War, multiple times.
- Hiring psychologists to get as much money as they can from us

Quite frankly Origin is better in terms of speed, not shoving community down my throat, automatically going to my games page, not making the games menu a list so I feel like I need to fill up a page, and it doesn't have achievements.

Oh and now trading cards too. Really Valve, really?

There's a bigger list including their game design too but these are snippits

 

[Level 7 Dragon]

People at Valve are creators. Creators don't have to listen about what the public wants, even if it is a company. They have standarts and they seem to be the sort of people that would cancel the game all entierly rather then pop out something like Duke Nukem forever after all those years.

When Valve tell that they will do something, they do it, even if it takes time. As far as I know from interviews with Gabe, they are not sure themselves about anything. People are comming and going to different projects. So they are multitasking, at the same time they do not want to make a poor quality game. According to Valve, it is better not to release a game then to release a dissapointment.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

They really aren't obligated to tell you shit about what they plan on doing. Are you a stockholder in Valve? Nope. They are a private company. They can do whatever they want really. I am not sure why it annoys you. I know I certainly don't care if a game company keeps me in the loop.

 

[Elijin]

If you read his post without your haze of anger, you'd notice he was specifically referring to CS:GO, which is in fact, a CoD rip off. It being a CoD rip off is why CS:S still has such a strong community.

*****, please. CS:GO and CoD have nothing to do with each other, save some superfical aesthetic similarities.

Furthermoar, CS:S has the about the same number of fanbois as does CS 1.6. Which is The One True CS, and does anyone care?

Spoiler

No.

Yeah but its crazy hard to find any 1.6 servers with a decent community, that still put time and effort into making interesting mods (In my country at least)