I'm confused why do people hate Ronald Reagan?

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Mcupobob

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I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
no he really effed up the economy and we are currently suffering the results of it, essentualy under his presidency we got the whole greed is good mentality and its been fucking with us since, not to mention he really killed spending on infistructure (yeah yeah spelling whatever) and we havent really started spending enough on it since then. But I think the biggest reason ppl dont like him is that ever since him republicans have essentualy treated him like jesus, in that they all want to be the disciples of reagan and its really annoying
 

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Because after the Bush's Republicans aren't cool anymore so people hate him.

And honestly, Reagan is not to blame for the economic shit storm thats going on right now.
 

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His economic policies were disingenous and disastrous. Anyone who believes that the rich should get more money because it will then "trickle down" to the poor deserved to go broke. Problem was the rest of us got screwed by it too.

Because it's generally necessary to try to say something good to offset my obvious dislike, the thing I will say is part of his enormous defense budget was proper care for the soldiers themselves. The military offered terrific retirement and pension packages as a part of his defense spending, and something like the Walter Reed fiasco would likely have never happened under his watch.
 

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Worgen said:
no he really effed up the economy and we are currently suffering the results of it, essentualy under his presidency we got the whole greed is good mentality and its been fucking with us since, not to mention he really killed spending on infistructure (yeah yeah spelling whatever) and we havent really started spending enough on it since then. But I think the biggest reason ppl dont like him is that ever since him republicans have essentualy treated him like jesus, in that they all want to be the disciples of reagan and its really annoying
His policies turned a harsh Carter recession into 20 years of economic growth until the socialistic policies pushed by congress finally ruined it. We aren't dealing with Reagan's faults, we're dealing with congressional failures.

Also, Reagan walked the world to the brink of nuclear extinction and refused to blink. The USSR eventually collapsed itself in front of Reagan, but America and the USSR was so close to mutual extinction that many people hate him for not buckling under.
 

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Because he is downright responsible for the current war in Afghanistan. Y'see he FUNDED Al Quaeda.
 

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Debt surfing, Taliban funding, Contra/Illegal Iranian Arms trades, take your pick. He wasn't an awful president, but the "good" he did certainly has its antihero that is simply too hard to overlook.
 

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T3h Merc said:
Because he is downright responsible for the current war in Afghanistan. Y'see he FUNDED Al Quaeda.
He did it to deture the sovites, not his fault he can't see 20 years into the future.
 

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Because he was an awful president at whose feet 95% of our problems can be laid either directly or barely indirectly.
 

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Drodgyn said:
Because he was an awful president at whose feet 95% of our problems can be laid either directly or barely indirectly.
why?

EDIT: the stupid thing posted before I finished anyways what I ment to say is "why do you think that?" do you have a real reason are just saying that because you herd that first?
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
Worgen said:
no he really effed up the economy and we are currently suffering the results of it, essentualy under his presidency we got the whole greed is good mentality and its been fucking with us since, not to mention he really killed spending on infistructure (yeah yeah spelling whatever) and we havent really started spending enough on it since then. But I think the biggest reason ppl dont like him is that ever since him republicans have essentualy treated him like jesus, in that they all want to be the disciples of reagan and its really annoying
His policies turned a harsh Carter recession into 20 years of economic growth until the socialistic policies pushed by congress finally ruined it. We aren't dealing with Reagan's faults, we're dealing with congressional failures.

Also, Reagan walked the world to the brink of nuclear extinction and refused to blink. The USSR eventually collapsed itself in front of Reagan, but America and the USSR was so close to mutual extinction that many people hate him for not buckling under.
I kinda agree with you: many of the problems that stemmed from his administration are results of the congress at the time, and he did help with the Cold War, but I'm not fully on your bandwagon.

Reagan's administration didn't really stop the economic recession; it generally takes closer to a decade to feel the beneficial results of truly intelligent longterm economic policy. Reagan succeeded in a few short term programs, then things evened out without his control.

In regards to the Cold War, kudos to Reagan for being in office at the time, but I think that the result would have been the same no matter who was in office. We had already been in a face-off with the USSR for so long at that point that no one would have ended up backing down. He was president during a difficult time, and the US came out better after him, but he wasn't the one who caused it all.
 

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His economic theories benefitted only the rich.

He cut vitally important social programs.

Most of the good he did for the economy only really appeared to exist due to the fact that the economy is measured by such units as the Fortune 500, or the richest groups. The poor were actually probably worse off in general after his presidency.
 

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He supported South American terrorists, and supplied people like Saddam and Iran with weapons.And the mujaheeden but it's okay because they're freedom fighters.
He ran deficits with his stupid economic policy and "trickle down economics" is what led to the rollback of regulation and tax cuts in the 80s, the propagations of said policies have hurt America, widening the divide between poor, rich and destroying the middle class.
He took credit or has received credit for things he didn't do. Letting the hostages go in Iran, tearing down the Berlin Wall (he said this after it was already beginning to be torn down), defeating communism/USSR (they collapsed on themselves).
His rampant expansion of the excuse to violate liberties called the War on Drugs.
His courting of the religious right and hypocritical hate for the vaguely termed "big government".

Basically he gave us the modern Republican Party, and has made the modern Republican Party hypocritical and stupid in so many ways, and he also gets blown up as this great president when he was barely competent. His only thing was charisma. If you took away the charisma he'd be seen as bad as Bush II is today.
 

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T3h Merc said:
Because he is downright responsible for the current war in Afghanistan. Y'see he FUNDED Al Quaeda.
Yeah but Rambo worked with the Taliban and nobody hates him!
 

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Mcupobob said:
why?

EDIT: the stupid thing posted before I finished anyways what I ment to say is "why do you think that?" do you have a real reason are just saying that because you herd that first?
His economic policies for one, selling weapons to dictators for another; the dawn of politicized fear mongering, giving citizen's rights to corporations, encouraging greed at the expense of people, extensive business deregulation, coupling religion with politics; the list is endless. Granted many of these were not exclusively his doing, but it is because of him that they are problems today.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Johnnyallstar said:
Worgen said:
no he really effed up the economy and we are currently suffering the results of it, essentualy under his presidency we got the whole greed is good mentality and its been fucking with us since, not to mention he really killed spending on infistructure (yeah yeah spelling whatever) and we havent really started spending enough on it since then. But I think the biggest reason ppl dont like him is that ever since him republicans have essentualy treated him like jesus, in that they all want to be the disciples of reagan and its really annoying
His policies turned a harsh Carter recession into 20 years of economic growth until the socialistic policies pushed by congress finally ruined it. We aren't dealing with Reagan's faults, we're dealing with congressional failures.

Also, Reagan walked the world to the brink of nuclear extinction and refused to blink. The USSR eventually collapsed itself in front of Reagan, but America and the USSR was so close to mutual extinction that many people hate him for not buckling under.
No, reagan turned us into a bunch of short sighted fools when it comes to economics, more then a few huge companies are totaly focused on the short term profits without any thought to long term viability, we have seen that with enron and with the lending policies of the banks etc etc. And Im not convinced he really had that much to do with the USSR going down, he was just lucky enough to be pres when it happened, the one most responsible really was the soviet leader Gorbachev. If he didnt decide to not preserve the ussr then we might still be in the middle of the so called cold war. And Kennedy "walked the brink of nuclear extincion and refused to blink" much more then reagan did during the cuban missle crisis.
 

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I don't hate the man, but disagree with some policies.

Middle class shrank as result of policies, and I am curious to those unemployment numbers as his administration did redefine what unemployment was (why we have two numbers to this say). He also drove up deficit dumping it into defense and ignored any sort of energy policy. Had that great war on drugs that has doubled the prison population since its inception. Removed regulations as saw government as problem, those regulations were put in to avoid another depression, as we saw come to a head in 2008 what wall street does when no one watches it. I won't get into the treason issue as others have mentioned it.

Reagan was a great politician, but the way he saw the world, the United States and its direction were very different from mine. Reagan does look impressive if he is compared to many that have taken over Republican party (Palin in 2012?) as the entire discourse is simply pitiful at this point. Vapid individuals with empty rhetoric exercising cognitive dissonance.

It does us no good to to devolve into name calling or hating one another, I have zero loyalty to any party, I want my country and its citizens to do better as well as everyone outside of our borders. I imagine many on other sides of issues feel same way. Should focus on that and trying to solves major issues we face now so children not suffering from failures in 2040.
 

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Mcupobob said:
T3h Merc said:
Because he is downright responsible for the current war in Afghanistan. Y'see he FUNDED Al Quaeda.
He did it to deture the sovites, not his fault he can't see 20 years into the future.
Well he did know that they were radicals and that they hated women's rights. That alone is useful to know. Also yes, I get he didn't have clairvoyance but given that he supplied and put into power a terrorist group to piss off the Russians I think I can still hate him.
 

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Because he radicalized the political parties by making faith a necessity in politics