I'm confused why do people hate Ronald Reagan?

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Nemu

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EClaris said:
Because after the Bush's Republicans aren't cool anymore so people hate him.

And honestly, Reagan is not to blame for the economic shit storm thats going on right now.
Except that he's to blame for Bush being in the White House in the first place, sure. >>

Clinton had to help correct the mistakes of HW Bush, who was elected after being Reagan's Veep for 8 years, and we all know how GW Bush was, so....yeah, it's not far-reaching to blame Reagan, just not entirely fair. But despite the fact he bears some responsibility, he DID do some good (Iran-Contra Affair aside).

Anywho, I don't hate him, but I don't care for him, either. *shrug*
 

iamthehorde

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Because he is downright responsible for the current war in Afghanistan. Y'see he FUNDED Al Quaeda.
He did it to deture the sovites, not his fault he can't see 20 years into the future.
then again, there´s a long tradition of the usa/cia sponsoring fundamentalists/terror groups to bid their will for the time being. talking about housemade problems.
 

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EClaris said:
Because after the Bush's Republicans aren't cool anymore so people hate him.

And honestly, Reagan is not to blame for the economic shit storm thats going on right now.
first off, I hated Reagan before bush was even elected. Secondly, he is to blame along with a lot of other really bad fiscal policy. He is proof that you don't have to be smart to be president, just a good actor...
 

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I'm not an American and not terribly interested in American presidents so I'm not going to argue for or against Reagan, but I can't help noticing that in this thread there seem to be two parties.

One party thinking Reagan was a bad president, and explaining the reasons they think so.
Another party claiming there's no possible reason to dislike Reagan, and that anyone who does is just out to make Republicans look bad.

Funny, that.
 

iamthehorde

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i probably wouldn´t have gotten along with him that well. i think republicans love him because he symbolizes what they see as american: self made man, getting things done, good christian, good patriot. the last two points don´t appeal to me at all. he also could have easily nuked the world to hell in the 80s, so it´s kind of hard to tell if you should thank him that he didn´t, or hate him for the possibility. in the end nothing would have happened withouth gorbatschow who was maybe the first realist politician the u.s.s.r. had in a long time. but then again, when i remember my childhood, reagan always seemed far more sympathetic to me than g.h. bush. probably because i consciously witnessed my first war when he(bush) was president.
 

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Eukaryote said:
Because of his dangerous economic policies.
Yes because the Idea that the government should have a BALANCED BUDGET, and not spend MORE money than it actually HAS is very dangerous.
 

Korolev

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He wasn't evil, but he wasn't exactly a good guy. I don't really have much fault with the way he handled the USSR, or the Afghan situation - he did the best he could, and he could not have predicted what the consequences would be. Remember, the Soviets were doing some pretty damn evil things in Afghanistan, such as wiping out entire villages. Not that the US actually cared about the afghan people, but they still wanted to stop the Soviets from gaining more influence in the Middle East.

There are a number of reasons why I don't like Reagan:

1) He was a bigot. I know he was old, I know he was raised in a "different time" - but the way he treated HIV sufferers was appalling from any ethical standard.

2) He was a bit of a nut-bag. He sincerely believed that we didn't need to take care of the environment because "The Rapture" was right around the corner.

3) During the Iran-Iraq war, he supported the Iraqis first, then later the Iranians, despite the fact that he and the entire US government knew that Saddam was using chemical weapons in the war. He gave intel and tech to Saddam, despite knowing how ruthless and evil he was, just because he felt he had to fight Iran. He funded the overthrow of governments just because they were socialist. Yes, I know that the Sandinista National Liberation Party was bad, but the Contras were just as bad, mark my words.

4) Like almost every US president, the man was a hypocrite. He didn't give a DAMN about anyone who was not fortunate enough to be born with a US passport. He was willing to screw over nations, fund terrorists and back dictators if they furthered US goals. Now, to be fair, all Presidents, and indeed, all governments around the world are very similar. But he had the gall to pretend that he was a champion of freedom, when in fact, if freedom was "inconvenient" for the US markets, then suddenly it wasn't all that important.

5) He treated the poor quite badly. Some of his economic policies made sense, but I cannot stand a man who actively hates, detests and despises the poor. Simply put, I do not like haters. And Reagan, like most hard-conservatives, are mostly defined by their hatred - hatred of anyone not Christian, hatred of anyone gay, hatred of anyone who isn't a nationalist, hatred of anyone who dares to be different. I think you'll find that most hard-conservatives, like Ann Coulter or Glenn Beck, do not really want freedom. They don't want to give you freedom so you can live your life as you want. Their definition of "Freedom" is the "Freedom" to live life the way THEY want you to. Most religious conservatives that I have met, and I'm not talking about Libertarians, say words like "freedom", but what they really want is a nation in which they can impose their religious views on you. I strongly believe that Reagan was a member of such a club. As for non-religious conservatives, most of them are pretty alright, if a bit mean.

6) He supported, and was good friends with, Robert Bork. Bork was not a very good man, if you know anything about him. And Reagan wanted to appoint him to the supreme court.

In reality, Reagan was no more evil than any other US president or world leader. He did do some good things, and he did do some bad things. Personally, I did not like Reagan because he was a religious conservative who hated gays and atheists and basically anyone who did not live according to his magic book.

But yes, he wasn't a demon. I think he really did do what he thought was right. He certainly never ate any babies.
 

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Mcupobob said:
I can understand if you dislike the man, but from what I learned about him he did a pretty good job as president. I will admite mabey it was just propagada they were teaching at school, but I don't really see anything he did bad. His fixed the ecomey in the 80's "During Jimmy Carter's last year in office (1980), inflation averaged 12.5%, compared to 4.4% during Reagan's last year in office (1988).Over those eight years, the unemployment rate declined from 7.5% to 5.3%, hitting highs of 9.7% (1982) and 9.6% (1983) and averaging 7.5% during Reagan's administration."
Persued personaly freedom for the people and try to make us less rreliant on the goverment. Quiltys I both like, nowif people can give a vaild reason for why he did a bad job then I will reconsider my take on him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
 

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Anyone who claims Ronald Reagen ended the cold war is an idiot. The Soviet Union collapsed from internal pressures and when the people in power decided that they could profit more from its dissolution than maintaining it. Or did you just think it was a coincidence that almost everyone in power in Russia happens to have been a power figure in the old Soviet Union? The massive increase in US defense spending wasn't part of it.
 

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Worgen said:
no he really effed up the economy and we are currently suffering the results of it, essentualy under his presidency we got the whole greed is good mentality and its been fucking with us since, not to mention he really killed spending on infistructure (yeah yeah spelling whatever) and we havent really started spending enough on it since then. But I think the biggest reason ppl dont like him is that ever since him republicans have essentualy treated him like jesus, in that they all want to be the disciples of reagan and its really annoying
I would recommend, especially after a lot of listening to Ron Reagan Jr., that most current Republicans don't get Reagan (including the good things about him) and every instance of them bringing Prez. Reagan up is a complete political sham to rouse the right wing base. Usually very badly. Tends to really fucking piss honest Dems off when not-so-honest Reps dredge up Reagan's corpse and it's a hack fucking job.
 

FiveSpeedf150

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He wasn't everything he's been made out to be, but he was a damn sight better than what we have now.

My favorite move of his was firing all the Air Traffic Controllers when they went on strike, and replacing them with the military ATC's until new ones could be hired and trained. Good business!

And for those of you who hate that he didn't tax the shit out of the rich... don't any of you plan to be rich someday? I sure do. And thankfully, I know that that poster who said the "American Dream" was dead had his head so far up his own ass he was counting teeth. Thankfully, America has not (yet) become a nation that punishes success. Pro-Business policies maintain that success.
 
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Novskij said:
Pyromaniac1337 said:
Because he took credit for ending the Cold War. Reagan did jack shit to finally end it, it was the Hungarians and the Poles that brought the USSR down.
No, it was Gorbachev, the last USSR leader who brought it down.
I think they all count as factors, along with many others. But all empires are destined to collapse eventually, especially ones built on terror.

FiveSpeedf150 said:
And for those of you who hate that he didn't tax the shit out of the rich... don't any of you plan to be rich someday? I sure do. And thankfully, I know that that poster who said the "American Dream" was dead had his head so far up his own ass he was counting teeth. Thankfully, America has not (yet) become a nation that punishes success. Pro-Business policies maintain that success.
You can't just assume that you will become immensely rich. That's the main problem with the so-called "American Dream". Everyone assumes that they will one day "make it", so of course it's best not to try improving their own social group's lives, because soon they'll almost certainly be in a better one, whereupon they can stop caring. Most of them live poor, and die poor, all in the pursuit of money, living a shitty life in the process. Huzzah.
 

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Worgen said:
no he really effed up the economy and we are currently suffering the results of it, essentualy under his presidency we got the whole greed is good mentality and its been fucking with us since, not to mention he really killed spending on infistructure (yeah yeah spelling whatever) and we havent really started spending enough on it since then. But I think the biggest reason ppl dont like him is that ever since him republicans have essentualy treated him like jesus, in that they all want to be the disciples of reagan and its really annoying
His policies turned a harsh Carter recession into 20 years of economic growth until the socialistic policies pushed by congress finally ruined it. We aren't dealing with Reagan's faults, we're dealing with congressional failures.

Also, Reagan walked the world to the brink of nuclear extinction and refused to blink. The USSR eventually collapsed itself in front of Reagan, but America and the USSR was so close to mutual extinction that many people hate him for not buckling under.
20 years of puffed up growth has led to a hell of a deflationary period in terms of the economic bubble coming back down. Carter was not a great president. Republicans using that fact to funnel every last dime they could into the business concerns they backed without regard to the long term consequences places the blame for the current disaster squarely on Reagan's shoulders (along with a lot of other people's, including democrats who don't have a fucking clue how to properly manage and regulate a well fettered free market)

Not blinking in front of the Russians? Yeah, it sounded better when we were talking about the Cuban missile crisis. Reagan did what he had to do to get rid of the U.S.S.R. as quickly as possible. That's a really stupid move unless you know your opponent well enough to know what their decision will be before hand. I guess we should all thank God we also got Gorbachev as Reagan's counterpart in the USSR. [sub]except for that small detail that we've lost the fight against communism as near as I can tell, where was the long term planning in that?[/sub]
 

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FiveSpeedf150 said:
He wasn't everything he's been made out to be, but he was a damn sight better than what we have now.
What we have now hasn't been given 8 years yet to prove what he can do, way to judge something before it's finished...to do that, you have to be majorly biased.

FiveSpeedf150 said:
My favorite move of his was firing all the Air Traffic Controllers when they went on strike, and replacing them with the military ATC's until new ones could be hired and trained. Good business!
So you're all for federal government stepping in and resolving union issues in a way that is most detrimental for the workers? (not very republican)

FiveSpeedf150 said:
And for those of you who hate that he didn't tax the shit out of the rich... don't any of you plan to be rich someday? I sure do.
You're kidding yourself. Most of those who set out to get rich don't make it, so why vote for someone's policies who don't apply to you yet? It's called voting outside your interest and it's absolutely ridiculous when it's so far outside your interest to be detrimental to your current position.

As an aside, don't you think those air traffic controllers were just trying to become rich like you intend, and live the American dream? Reagan shat all over that...then wiped his ass with whatever was left.
 

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REAGAN SMASH!!!!
Sorry couldn't resist. Nah I think his policies earned him more ire from a certain section of the populace, though Reagan was before my time and I don't really know anything about him.
Though I'd say the real reason people hate Ronald Reagan, Bush, Obama or whoever, its the silly partisan fueled misinformation that distract stupid people from getting behind important issues.
 

caprisun

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because of his murderous foreign policies for one, destroying foreign countries for economic gains. and also for destroying the manufacturing base, i dont have the exact figures and too tired to look them up, but the manufacturing jobs in the US, the base of any economy, fell massivly during his time in office. and he also began the dismanteling of banking regualation, which clinton finally finished off in 94