All hail the free market!Auron said:
...Seriously, the fact that America is set up so that you can take money and not be expected to actually provide a service means we're surprisingly backwards in a lot of respects.
I'm glad Microsoft's creative director cares about the consumers.
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...Seriously, the fact that America is set up so that you can take money and not be expected to actually provide a service means we're surprisingly backwards in a lot of respects.
This makes sense to me . Now i have absolutely no problem with xbox live this generation . I pay for mine and i don't think it's a hassle ( seriously 4$ a month is nothing, people spend more on coffee a day ). That being said , forcing always online and forcing people to pay for always online i cannot get behind , that is taking shit WAY too far . If however , XBL is free and they keep the good service we are getting , this is absolutely not a deal breaker for me , as long as i don't have to make an a count for everygame and stuff like that.Fappy said:
Yes. Hate must be spread thinly, like Marmite. This is the far superior way of enjoying a merry free-for-all of good old hatin'.Zachary Amaranth said:
As for people trying to defend Orthhole, including the original hate bait friend - as anonymous nobodies, you're free to goof around all you want. As soon as you use your real name, rank, position, affiliation, employer corporate likeness in your goofing around, it's no longer proper, careless goofing. It's either sabotage or plain stupid seeping from your nose, with a bit of liquefied brain in it.
His flogging at Microsoft should be public, minus the streamlined marketingspeak that will inevitably follow. The marketing folks over at Microsoft are going through rough times right now, I take it.
Agreed. I mean, does he really expect to get off without some sort of repercussions? It's one thing to tell your fans and potential buyers that your doing something unfavorable, but it's an entire different thing when you openly insult everyone that questions your choice. I mean, I can't imagine that Microsoft signed off on this kind of crap.Headdrivehardscrew said:
I wonder if Microsoft is going to fire him any day now.
Doesn't matter to me either way. I'm here for the train-wreck.
Doesn't matter to me either way. I'm here for the train-wreck.
Every device is apparently a cell phone, you heard it here first folks.Orthy said:
*rolls eyes*
This fool isn't worth further thought or comment. Close the thread please.
That's funny, because last I checked I can play my copy of The World Ends with You PERFECTLY fine on my iphone with absolutely not active internet connection at all, and this game even has an optional internet function besides. HOW BOUT DAT SHIT?!Atmos Duality said:
You're right. Orthy here seems like a total moron.
'I don't care that nearly everyone and their grandma hates always on DRM. Deal with it.'
uuuuuuh, OKAY
*buys PS4*
It happens here too, over the last 5 0r so years our agency that regulates telephony service has become quite efficient in punishing telecoms screwing customers with bad services overall though(I'm sure it has nothing to do with the HEFTY fines they got to pay if it's not fixed within a few days.) so there's that at least but I have nothing but contempt for most policies in Brazil but even on a small city and most rural areas here you can get a somewhat decent connection nowadays.Zachary Amaranth said:
What they will probably do, if the console does require always online, is require you to connect to Xbox Live Silver, but still charge for gold.krazykidd said:
I'm going slightly off topic here, but I absolutely despise the word "consumer". It conjures images of mindless wallets on legs, brainwashed by modern media, buying anything put in front of them for no reason other than having to have the latest "must have" item. I am not one of these creatures and it is my fond hope that people will stop using this term to address anyone. I only use it if I intend to cause offence and I will slap you if you refer to me in this manner.
Wait... how is it 'trolling' if they were just inside-joking each other? Whatever, they may continue butchering that word if it pleases them.
Anyway, jokes or not that was a pretty stupid move on Orth's part. Tweeting about that bit 'o controversial speculation with that attitude publicly was not wise. In the end I just hope the always-online requirement turns out to be false.
Anyway, jokes or not that was a pretty stupid move on Orth's part. Tweeting about that bit 'o controversial speculation with that attitude publicly was not wise. In the end I just hope the always-online requirement turns out to be false.
As soon as i read "bacon superiority" i had to supress the urge to make a rather tastless joke about being wary of the evils of the Third Rind...SecondPrize said:
On Topic... But seriously, how good is bacon? Bacon even scares me a little, the argument that something that good can't possibly be a random product of evolution is the only credible argument I have ever heard for intelligent design...
Actually on-topic: It seems like an incredibly stupid thing to say, and whether joking or otherwise the sentiment expressed disturbs me, I think it shows a real lack of awareness surrounding public opinion.
Also I have read several comments suggesting that Microsoft makes a net loss on the sale of each Xbox. While it is true they publicise this and their annual accounts would even back up this suggestion, it is not as clear cut as it would seem. A large company like Microsoft can make a loss on a transaction while still making a company wide profit on a sale. It works like this:
Comapny Division 1 (referred to hereafter as DV1) develops a product, in this case the Xbox. Through a system of internal invoicing, Division 1 then "sells" the product to Company Division 2 (DV2).
DV2 then manufacturs the product and estimates how many units it will sell - lets assume they estimate 1000 for the purposes of this example. DV2 then divides the cost of "buying" the design from DV1 by 1000 and adds this to their total costs for producing the product. You can keep adding divisions in this manner, each of whom "sell" various services to the producing division (marketing, testing, administration, etc), ramping up the supposed cost of the product.
Now thats not to say that develepment and marketing etc don't have a cost, but companies are often structured so that these divisions make a profit, at the expense of the product in the process.
When the product finally goes on sale, the "at cost" figure quoted is considerably higher than the actual cost producing the product (materials, assemby ect). This helps comapanies rebuff the suggestion that their markups are too high and the negative press this attracts. This is a variation on the same system that companies use to dodge corporation tax by selling a product "at cost" in a country with high coporate taxes, while effectively making the profit on the sale in country with low corporate taxes.
Kind of this. I guess in the back of my mind I knew some people didn't have reliable internet or maybe just didn't like being connected all the time, but I was still initially shocked when this became such a big deal. My X360 has been online 24/7 since the day I got it shortly after launch. Meanwhile, apparently 56kb/s is still a thing in some places? How do those people even have electricity?Auron said:
That's why it's an adequate description; because most people are just wallets with legs, who spend capriciously.Flames66 said:
I don't have much of a problem with it at the conceptual level; we're a material society, for better or worse.
Though it kind of boggles my mind when we apply the term "consumer" to goods and services that aren't directly "consumed", like games.
If I buy a game online via download, it doesn't cease to exist somewhere else.
This is why I hate Twatter and other forms of social networking. It turns everyone including industry "professionals" into dipshits.
Back in the 80s, we had a phone monopoly. Someone, I think Saturday Night Live ran a parody ad that said, basically:Auron said:
We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company.
Unfortunately, while there's technically not a monopoly in this country on broadband, if you want something other than dial-up there's no real competition and no real oversight. My former ISP, Adelphia, was carved up by Time Warner and my current ISP, Comcast, who basically set up the markets so they don't have to compete. The DSL alternative is Fairpoint, a company that asked for special dispensation to take over our market from Verizon despite not being able to satisfy its curent customer load.
Since my work relies on transmission of documents that would be pretty slow on dial-up, I have the choice of bad service and worse service. And if you're a gamer, of course, dial-up really isn't an option either. Unfortunately, with a lack of government oversight and the knowledge that there's no real competition, we're back to the days of "we don't care. We don't have to."