I'm not gonna buy Diablo 3....

[Ammutseba]

Cause of the always on-line requirements.

I always liked Diablo series, but was never a huge fan. I played the first one, and played the second one quiet a bit, so i was looking forward to Diablo 3.

I have a good computer, stable and fast internet connection, and had all the intention of buying the game (instead of getting a hacked copy, which i can oh so easily do), but i wont.

Whos with me?


P.S. this isnt about the latest Jimquisition episode. I decided not to buy Diablo 3 a long time ago, Jim just reminded me

And I'm not gonna force you (because I couldn't care less).

Now that you have your hot topic badge, can you stop making bad threads just because you want the "attention-addict" badge?

 

[Arsen]

Yeah, yeah. We get the point Blizzard. You guys love the monopoly you have on the fantasy side of the videogame industry and want to protect your investment. However, as it is being well noted, many will not purchase this game simply due to the fact that the copyright protection shit has gone too far. You've ostracized many groups of people who would potentially want this game by only caring how many units aren't pirated.

Find a better way to make games unhackable then we can talk. Otherwise you're punishing those who put down their money for a broken product.

 

[targren]

You never explained HOW they're treating you like shit by having an always online requirement, nor how your experience with the game will lack because of it.
You can still play solo, you just need an internet connection. Which you have, and you're always on. So what is the big fucking deal?

A) Because it's a bullshit requirement that does nothing to stop piracy, while limiting when and where I can play a game I bought fairly. In exchange for playing by their rules, they screw me over, and accomplish nothing but creating ill will.

B) Because you're COMPLETELY WRONG. I paid over $2000 for a gaming laptop so I could play games when I'm NOT on an internet connection. And there's no reason that I should HAVE to be on the internet to play SINGLE PLAYER that the game was announced with. This 'CORPG' bullshit is a backpedal ass-covering.

Edit: WHy are pirates and pirated copies even a factor in the equation? They're only hurting gaming as is, it's not possible for them to offer a "better version".

Once again, you're wrong. There have been myriad problems with DRM issues causing bugs, crashes, and unplayability for legitimate customers, and that's not even getting into DRM which borders on malicious software like StarForce. The DRM-stripped copies don't have these problems.


Edit:

Right, propaganda ... Who's?

I'm not selling anything here, just offering a wider view. I'm not the one claiming all DRM is same, you are. I'm just offering ideas why a huge difference in DRM systems and what they offer to customers should be the main base for debate.

I didn't make any claim in the post you quoted about DRM being all the same. I said that your argument is a 'vacuous truth.' An implication with a false antecedent (the 'if p' part) doesn't say anything.

And I mostly get my assertion Diablo 3 is a CORPG ignored. As it ruins the DRM argument. So mostly it seems since Diablo 2 was different, we should assume any change made in 10 years is the result of evil drive to DRM the hell out of customers, who are all angelic people with no bad intentions.

Actually, I addressed it in this post, that I was typing when you posted (thus this edit).

 

[PingoBlack]

Once again, you're wrong. There have been myriad problems with DRM issues causing bugs, crashes, and unplayability for legitimate customers, and that's not even getting into DRM which borders on malicious software like StarForce. The DRM-stripped copies don't have these problems.

OK, now be honest ... What Blizzard game in last 5 years played better pirated?

 

[targren]

OK, now be honest ... What Blizzard game in last 5 years played better pirated?

Other than SC2, have there even BEEN any Blizzard games in the past 5 years? Since I hate RTS, I can't speak for SC2.

Diablo II certainly does, to this day, since you can't get the official No-CD patch without adding all the extra trash that it added to the game.

 

[PingoBlack]

Diablo II certainly does, to this day, since you can't get the official No-CD patch without adding all the extra trash that it added to the game.

Thanks for proving my point. You referenced an old game that I already mentioned as only standard people use to complain about Diablo 3 game design decisions.

And you can't even bother to check what Blizzard have done in last 5 years that could point to them not screwing their own customers and reaping success for that.

Basicaly, it's not Diablo 2 so it sucks ... Gotcha.

BTW, you can't decide a game is single player if the company making it says it is not. As long as you are informed about it early enough, which you apparently are, no one is cheating you. Blizzard has stated this will be a CORPG before they started selling anything.

 

[targren]

Diablo II certainly does, to this day, since you can't get the official No-CD patch without adding all the extra trash that it added to the game.

Thanks for proving my point. You referenced an old game that I already mentioned as only standard people use to complain about Diablo 3 game design decisions.

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Basicaly, it's not Diablo 2 so it sucks ... Gotcha.

No. I referenced the last non-MMO game Blizzard made that I played, as a point of reference. I don't know if you're functionally illiterate or just enjoy trolling, but don't put words in my mouth.

And you can't even bother to check what Blizzard have done in last 5 years that could point to them not screwing their own customers and reaping success for that.

Nice try. Except that I was right, according to wikipedia.

World of Warcraft 2004 MMORPG
World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade 2007 Expansion pack
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King 2008 Expansion pack
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty 2010 Real-time strategy game
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm 2010 Expansion pack

So nope. Nothing but SC2 and Ex-packs in the last 5 years.

BTW, you can't decide a game is single player if the company making it says it is not. As long as you are informed about it early enough, which you apparently are, no one is cheating you. Blizzard has stated this will be a CORPG before they started selling anything.

THEY told me when they announced it that it was going to be single player, and I have EVERY RIGHT to be pissed off that they went back on it, and to call them on it.

I never used the word "cheating." I said it was a dick move, and that CORPG is just an ass-covering PR turd against the backlash of this decision.

First they claimed it wasn't DRM, it was to prevent cheating. Except that excuse crashed and burned when everyone who wasn't too busy kneeling under Kotick's desk pointed out that Diablo II had no problems whatsoever with Single-Player characters getting into closed BNet.

Then it was the "enhanced gaming experience" of the auction house, until they realized that that THAT decision was getting almost as much flack. So now it's a "We're trying to turn it into an MMO, but we're going to make up a new acronym to excuse how it falls short of an actual MMO."

 

[PingoBlack]

I never used the word "cheating." I said it was a dick move, and that CORPG is just an ass-covering PR turd against the backlash of this decision.

First they claimed it wasn't DRM, it was to prevent cheating. Except that excuse crashed and burned when everyone who wasn't too busy kneeling under Kotick's desk pointed out that Diablo II had no problems whatsoever with Single-Player characters getting into closed BNet.

Then it was the "enhanced gaming experience" of the auction house, until they realized that that THAT decision was getting almost as much flack. So now it's a "We're trying to turn it into an MMO, but we're going to make up a new acronym to excuse how it falls short of an actual MMO."

It's not a new expression, it was used by Arena Net to describe Guild Wars.
And honestly, it's obvious you are not rational about this, pulling Kotick into argument.

Diablo 3 is a CORPG. I saw the game. It works just like WoW. You cannot claim they ported a single player game to WoW server client technology just as an excuse ... Please.

 

[cannot_aim]

I understand the frustration that always online causes. Here at school the only way I can play games online on my computer is to have a wired connection which is a pain in the ass for a variety of reasons, and for some reason its slower than my wireless connection which doesn't make any sense.

But blizzard seems to be all over having internet always connections these days. It was in Starcraft 2 and it seems like its going to be in all of their games going forwards.

I personally don't see that as deal breaking. It gets incredibly frustrating that I can't play the game if my internet is down but I bet the game will be good enough to make up for any brief downtime that I'm going to have to deal with.

 

[targren]

Let's try to be rational.

You first.

If you were trying to be rational, you wouldn't have ignored the entire point that this CORPG crap[0] was only claimed after their last excuses, endlessly parroted by unwavering devotees like yourself, were rejected as the bullshit they were, and instead decided to focus on a metaphor (Protip: I don't really think all you Blizzard fanboys are ACTUALLY spending your evenings blowing Kotick).


[0]Which, consequently, is not the same "CORPG" Guild Wars used. In that, it was "Competitive", reflecting Anet's initial intention to focus on PvP. Yes, it may be picking nits, but since that seems to be the way you want to discuss things, I call fair play.

 

[Makon]

Personally OP, I am with you. The internet where I live is rickety at best, and I always wind up having a on-and-off web connection, even with the best service around. It's sad for me to say that I won't get it either, I've been a long-time fan of Diablo ever since the first game (have all the games + xpacs, even all the books and novels), and I love the world and lore. So, unless Blizz can convince me that their online service's performance is SO vastly improved that I won't feel the impact of online only, and makes the RLAH feel so insignificant that it might as well not be there, they can consider my money going towards Torchlight 2, Grim Dawn, and Path of Exile.

 

[PingoBlack]

Let's try to be rational.

You first.
...
(Protip: I don't really think all you Blizzard fanboys are ACTUALLY spending your evenings blowing Kotick).

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not a fan of anyone and anything, clearly says so over my avatar. And I still stay by my assertion that Diablo 3 uses the same technology as WoW.

Of course, since you cannot find more facts, I become a Blizzard fanboy. Gotcha.

 

[targren]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not a fan of anyone and anything, clearly says so under my avatar. And I still stay by my assertion that Diablo 3 uses the same technology as WoW.

You mean the flavor text that's misspelled? Yeah, how could I possibly imagine that that might not be the gospel truth.

As to whether it uses the WoW engine or not, I can't say. I've not heard one way or the other from anyone except you and, based on your debating (a term I use loosely) tactics thus far, you'll forgive me if I don't consider you a paragon of credibility. I would also point out that, even if it's true, it doesn't actually change the fact that it was a bad decision resulting in an unnecessary limitation to the game. So yeah, not sure why you keep bringing it up.

Of course, since you cannot find more facts, I become a Blizzard fanboy. Gotcha.

No, actually. It's statements like that that give you the stench of fanboy, whether you are or not. Also parroting the party line while ignoring the context of it, either ignoring anything which contradicts it (or flaming it and making your own position look even less rational for calling me out for claiming that SC2 was the only new game Blizz has put out in the past 5 years).

If you don't want people to think you're a fanboy, don't adopt their methods.

 

[targren]

<EDIT: Damn Firefox acting up. Double-post. Please delete>

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Neither I'm I buying it.

I won't tolerate that the company I'm giving my money to acts like I'm some criminal. I can't understand the "doesn't affect me, don't care" mentality.

But that's always like that. People don't care until it's to late to prevent, but need to fix it. Same goes for any other problem. The always online DRM is a cancer that needs to be cured, it's destroying the games, jet people don't try anything because it doesn't affect them, jet. But it will, and that it will be to late.

I have a decent connection, some problems now and then, but that's not the point. I want to play the game when, where and how I want. If I can't play the game when I want why the hell would I pay 60$ for it? Also, what did I do wrong that I deserve them acting like I'm some criminal? The bad guys who don't pay will get a perfectly working game 2-3 days after the release, it won't have any problems running, it won't prevent them from playing without an internet connection and they won't have a pay to pawn shop.
So they DRM won't stop pirats, it will encourage people to pirat like Ubisoft did with their games.

And no, the article where Ubisoft said their DRM was a success is retarded. They said "every person playing online has bough the game". Well duh! But what about the unusual big number of pirates?
Also this Captcha is getting more and more retarded with every day that passes by. In few days I won't be able to read this damn things.

 

[evilneko]

I won't be getting it either. Online only just does not work for me. I don't want a game that won't work when I most need it.

 

[Epona]

Neither I'm I buying it.

I won't tolerate that the company I'm giving my money to acts like I'm some criminal. I can't understand the "doesn't affect me, don't care" mentality.

But that's always like that. People don't care until it's to late to prevent, but need to fix it. Same goes for any other problem. The always online DRM is a cancer that needs to be cured, it's destroying the games, jet people don't try anything because it doesn't affect them, jet. But it will, and that it will be to late.

I have a decent connection, some problems now and then, but that's not the point. I want to play the game when, where and how I want. If I can't play the game when I want why the hell would I pay 60$ for it? Also, what did I do wrong that I deserve them acting like I'm some criminal? The bad guys who don't pay will get a perfectly working game 2-3 days after the release, it won't have any problems running, it won't prevent them from playing without an internet connection and they won't have a pay to pawn shop.
So they DRM won't stop pirats, it will encourage people to pirat like Ubisoft did with their games.

And no, the article where Ubisoft said their DRM was a success is retarded. They said "every person playing online has bough the game". Well duh! But what about the unusual big number of pirates?
Also this Captcha is getting more and more retarded with every day that passes by. In few days I won't be able to read this damn things.

Agreed, always online DRM is like an ankle bracelet that criminals wear.

 

[ChaosBorne]

Your loss, I mean I'm not even interested in the series but unless you can't get internet access I see no reason why you wouldn't buy any game for that reason. Comes across as a needlessly childish thing to do.

excuse me? childish? it's called standards, DRM is actively hurting consumer rights and i for one will not stand for it and if any of you had an actual brain you wouldn't either.
it's not just about a MINOR inconvenience, it's the principle of the matter we should be able to enjoy a game we purchased without having to constantly verify our loyalty to the developers.
they've already got everyone fooled into thinking it's okay to sell a "licence" instead of a product and it's not okay.

now granted the DRM here does serve an extra purpose besides just verifying your loyalty, the extra purpose though is to make blizzard even more money so still not in our best interest.
as a side effect it "might" regulate hacks and exploits to a certain degree (not completely we all know how much cheating goes on in MMO's, a lot in case you didn't know.)

at the end of the day DRM doesn't even work properly because the people that want to steal shit like this WILL steal it, there simply is no stopping them.

but by all means support restrictive measurements that punish legal customers after all that's the SMART thing to do. *sheesh*

 

[Shirastro]

Oh wow i made this thread couple of days ago and kinda forgot about it.
What i find funny is the fact it grew so much.....mostly cause people really wanted me to know that they don't care about my opinion .

Anyway i should probably clarify a little bit why i don't like the always on-line requirement.
It's because i really hate wasting 10 seconds every freaking time i want to play a game. I know it sounds ridiculous, and i know i sound incredibly lazy, but really that's it.

It's the sole reason why after finishing the campaign in SC2 i never touched the game, and it's the sole reason why i wont buy Diablo3.

Im a huge fan of Blizzard, ever since Warcraft 2. I own pretty much all their games (i have been a WoW addict for almost 6 years), but i just never really cared about Diablo series.
I liked them, but not enough, so a small inconvenience like this is all it takes to deter me from buying Diablo 3.


Oh and if you are wondering how come i didn't mind having to log in all those years while i was playing WoW, well it's because WoW is actually an on-line game, something that you simply can not play in single player. Diablo however.....


P.S. all you people calling me some kind of attention whole are really hilarious.