im really hating TF2

[RaikuFA]

The only advice I can offer is that you play with friends. The game's free now, so unless they just hate FPS games, it shouldn't be too hard to convince a handful of friends to pick the game up. Once you're playing only with people you know, even losing becomes more fun.

i dont have friends though. just random people to play with

and i admit i was exxagerating that EVERY game is "my fault" but ive still never won a game and a couple of times i have been blamed. i was just blamed right before i made this topic

 

[Farther than stars]

I really don't know what you want from us on the forums. You just said you didn't want to hear "it gets better later", so if you don't want consolement, this just sounds like a rant on TF2 to me. And what's at the root of that? Rookie frustrations?
Look, nobody can make you like a game, either you practise for yourself (20 hours isn't the cap of it) or you quit and go play something you do enjoy.
For the most part you just have to let stuff go. People are being mean to you? Ignore them! They're the ones with the problem (especially if they're focusing on you [losing] and not watching the enemy 0.o). You lose a game? Big deal! On average you should be winning 50% and losing 50%, that's just simple statistics. What matters is that you just have fun during the game.
Of course that will include you dying sometimes. It's part of the game. And backstabbing is a legitimate strategy for that. But if they're really pissing you off, you could always switch to Pyro and give those spies something to run from.
Like you said, you didn't want to hear it, so I'm not going to tell you. But what I will tell you, and it needs to be said, is that the problem is with the way you look at things and not because of the way the game is.

 

[Blueruler182]

Um... I've been playing for hours recently and not having a single issue. Other than a bit of lag, which is my internet's problem more than anything, it's working perfectly fine to me.

 

[GenericPCUser]

1. cannot connect to any servers. "there are 250 servers that match your criteria. unfortunately, none of them want you"

2. if i do get connected, i get booted about 2 to 3 minutes in because im not "teh hardcore" despite the fact that ive played for about 20 hours or i get dogpiled by the enemy

3. ive never won a game i stayed in, and guess who the blame goes to?

4. spy=cheater. seriously, ive been up against the wall and i get backstabbed. and when i try to disguise myself and backstab? knife never goes up to imply that i can backstab when im RIGHT ON THEIR BACK!!! then i get killed

and dont even put up that "it gets better" poster, cause it dosent

Sorry to rain on your parade, but most people in TF2 (at least the servers I play on) say it takes roughly 100 hours of play time on one character to understand the basics, and when I casually mention my 250+ hours on scout I still hear people tell me how I can do things better.

With only 20 hours you are, by definition, a noob to most of the player base. But keep in mind, this game has been out for years, and most people who play (at least play it well) have stockpiled many countless hours into it. These are the people you will have to contend with, and it's not easy.

Now, player skill aside, you may have issues with ping, I personally won't play a server with 80+ latency.

Find a server you have good connection to, repeatedly play on that server or other servers affiliated with it, get to know the admins and usual crowd of players, and ask for tips. Never, ever, ever be a jackass, especially if you're new, and sometimes you'll have to bite the bullet and deal with jackass admins and usual players. You'll learn the game through experience, but after only 20 hours of gameplay you probably don't really know how to deal with every situation.

TL;DR: This isn't Call of Duty or Halo, 20 hours of gameplay means nothing.

What? You must be kidding. I may have about 40 hours of gameplay and I consider myself above average. Usually top 3 on the team. Not as good as in Cod's, but still it's not bad. And I play well with most classes, even classes like Solier which I've only played 3 or 4 hours with him.

That is peculiar, though you're probably not playing with the same crowd I play with. Pretty much all the regulars on the server I play with has somewhere between 600-1400+ hours of total playtime, and from personal experience if you aren't someone with with that kind of time it's really obvious.

I play on NewbsTF2 (ironically) and the name invites a lot of new players (especially now with so many free to players) so I will admit to taking advantage of them, but when regulars show up it becomes very noticeable.

 

[RaikuFA]

1. cannot connect to any servers. "there are 250 servers that match your criteria. unfortunately, none of them want you"

2. if i do get connected, i get booted about 2 to 3 minutes in because im not "teh hardcore" despite the fact that ive played for about 20 hours or i get dogpiled by the enemy

3. ive never won a game i stayed in, and guess who the blame goes to?

4. spy=cheater. seriously, ive been up against the wall and i get backstabbed. and when i try to disguise myself and backstab? knife never goes up to imply that i can backstab when im RIGHT ON THEIR BACK!!! then i get killed

and dont even put up that "it gets better" poster, cause it dosent

Sorry to rain on your parade, but most people in TF2 (at least the servers I play on) say it takes roughly 100 hours of play time on one character to understand the basics, and when I casually mention my 250+ hours on scout I still hear people tell me how I can do things better.

With only 20 hours you are, by definition, a noob to most of the player base. But keep in mind, this game has been out for years, and most people who play (at least play it well) have stockpiled many countless hours into it. These are the people you will have to contend with, and it's not easy.

Now, player skill aside, you may have issues with ping, I personally won't play a server with 80+ latency.

Find a server you have good connection to, repeatedly play on that server or other servers affiliated with it, get to know the admins and usual crowd of players, and ask for tips. Never, ever, ever be a jackass, especially if you're new, and sometimes you'll have to bite the bullet and deal with jackass admins and usual players. You'll learn the game through experience, but after only 20 hours of gameplay you probably don't really know how to deal with every situation.

TL;DR: This isn't Call of Duty or Halo, 20 hours of gameplay means nothing.

What? You must be kidding. I may have about 40 hours of gameplay and I consider myself above average. Usually top 3 on the team. Not as good as in Cod's, but still it's not bad. And I play well with most classes, even classes like Solier which I've only played 3 or 4 hours with him.

That is peculiar, though you're probably not playing with the same crowd I play with. Pretty much all the regulars on the server I play with has somewhere between 600-1400+ hours of total playtime, and from personal experience if you aren't someone with with that kind of time it's really obvious.

I play on NewbsTF2 (ironically) and the name invites a lot of new players (especially now with so many free to players) so I will admit to taking advantage of them, but when regulars show up it becomes very noticeable.

i looked for tyhis server, its not even popping up in the search function

might just be this heavy rain though

 

[ydkwidrmw]

After reading the topic, I was sure this was going to be about hats. Well I'm pleasantly surprised.

Like many people here have mentioned, 20 hours is nothing.

 

[RaikuFA]

played on orange for awhile. cannot find it on here. wonder why

 

[GenericPCUser]

I play on Portuguese servers, usualy LP legião Portuguesa. Dunno if they are any good or not.
Some times I play a server where it's always Orange map, with Sniper I kick ass there, I get 1st place or almost (since people who are there first are harder to catch up).

Maybe I'm a natural Which would be weird since I'm good at cod, but other FPS I usualy suck, CS for example I'm really noob.

By the way I got a question for Spy pro's and enginner. A good spy is at disavantage against a good Engineer do you agree? A good engineer cover himself an make impossible for the spy to kill him, and if he goes for the sentry the engineer can kill him fast enough and reconstruct the sentry before it destroys.

A good spy is always at a disadvantage (unless you use the enforcer and just play pistol spy, but that's a different story) because as soon as they lose the element of surprise they are one of the easiest classes to kill. Most of their tactics require coordinating with a teammate, and the spy's life is usually forfeit during the process, but because spies exist the game has no 100% effective tactic for offense or defense.

 

[DonMartin]

Never had any of those problems, except possibly the difficulty to connect to any games. And lately Ive been experiencing a lot of lag.

Or maybe people just go easy on me, since I'm usually a Medic. Strangely, I'm not the immediate target for most players who just go for the Heavy Im working with.

 

[RaikuFA]

Never had any of those problems, except possibly the difficulty to connect to any games. And lately Ive been experiencing a lot of lag.

Or maybe people just go easy on me, since I'm usually a Medic. Strangely, I'm not the immediate target for most players who just go for the Heavy Im working with.

really? did they ever read the penny arcade comic on the subject?

 

[Anthony Wells]

can always add me as a friend. im willing to make new onese

 

[martin's a madman]

Don't worry baby, keep playing at it, it'll get better!


Steam ID: Doctor Fantastic and Ogburn.
Add me if you want to play, I'm very good at Combat Engineer and Heavy.

 

[dagens24]

I dunno what's wrong with the OP. I was awesome at the game from the get go.

 

[Xeraxis]

Yeah, about your point OP, Spy is really a frustrating class, whether you're fighting one or being one. Luck plays a heavy factor in being a spy since you have to look out for RANDOM W+M1 PYROS! GAH! They are annoying.

Other than that, it might just be your comp, as I don't generally have problems playing TF2

 

[Overlord93]

I don't know what your talking about, im a newcomer to the game too and i started as heavy and was pwning right away...
Yes i understand the Spy issue i have same things happening to me too, if there is a Spy hacker i change server without a second thought.
I get bullied by Snipers as Heavy and then i change Pyro, maaaan revenge is sweet, when you play Pyro, Snipers can't touch you and you will always burn those dirty bastards alive.
Demoman has too much health and Soldiers are overused and played by hackers.
Engineer is imo most important class and if played right he can be the difference between win or fail.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

I feel your frustration, OP. As someone else who's recently started it (my girlfriend began playing and I decided to follow once it went free since. Turns out I actually enjoy online FPS despite what I've told myself all my life.) here's what I've gleaned:

1: Yeah, you're gonna loose. ALOT. Personally I go through spurts. I'll have a night where the team and me are just ON. and we just steamroll through the opposition. Or we'll still be winning, but it'll be a fight and we'll all be grinning through every second of it. Or some nights...well, some nights I just can't catch a break. Spies and Snipers everywhere. It just seems to happen.

2: the Ctrl button is your friend. Cover is your friend. ESPECIALLY if you play as a Medic. I can't tell you how many times I've been on Nucleus, and me and a Heavy have been trying to capture the control point and the Heavy just rains bullets on people as I'm crouched behind one of the walls, cut off from most people aside from Snipers, and heal him frantically and pray for my Ubercharge meter to pop to full. Curiously, those moments always tend to end up with us capturing unless someone is brave enough to come out and kill us close-range. Or more specifically me. Crouching and cover in general is invaluable. It's all over the place, and you can use it to your advantage.

3: Everyone dies. Alot. When I die, I usually take a moment to hit the change class button. I can see who my side has in terms of classes. I can see if we've got a Medic or not, I can see if we've got Pyros or Spies or Engineers. Then I combine that with what I've been observing on the battlefield. Snipers pegging everyone but we have one Spy? I respawn as Spy and pull out the ol' Ambassador and start handing those Snipers some of their own medicine. No Medics on the team but alot of Heavies? I roll a Medic and promptly find someone big and vaguely russian with a big gun to follow around. I go where I'm needed and do what's needed if I can. Noone has yelled at me yet for it.

4: If you feel like items, or lack thereof, are an issue, the Starter Packs in the Mann Co. Store are GREAT for that sort of thing. Especially if you try out every class and you focus on finding which one clicks with you and then buy their starter pack. (of course depending on your luck and how long it takes you might have advanced items for that class anyway!) The way I figure it: They're a buck, it's not a bad deal, and I like the game. So if me dropping a buck or two for a weapon pack for Medic or Sniper helps keep the servers and updates rolling, I'm fine with that.

5: HAVE FUN. Bottom line. Worst thing you can do for TF2 is go into it with the 'I don't have fun unless I'm winning.' mentality. I've had some pretty epic deaths, and some pretty hilarious losses. There's really no official server rankings or anything that I know of, so it's not like some games where you're under constant pressure to perform better and a loss can actually affect your gaming experience. Losses are just losses. You still get items, you still get to play. If some jackasses want to boot you off their server because they think you suck? Let 'em. Plenty more out there to enjoy. Heck, as I recall the Escapist has a TF2 server.

Hopefully that helps. I know it doesn't seem like much, but I probably don't have more than 20 hours or so in and I've had a blast. Nerfnow is correct: it DOES get better.