I'm super depressed about sexism in gaming...

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Yeah, there is some woman in that subjects, but game companys can`t see this ''some womans''.
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Because plenty of women soldiers are not enough to put a woman to war games. If they want to make a love story in war, they will put a woman to war. It is how works writing a story. It is depent to story. If the war story not for female, it means there is no female in war. That`s all. Usualy war is for men. Not for womans. That`s because there is not much female characters in war games. At least, Medal of Honor Underground and Call of Duty 3 has a female character.

I'm sorry but you are being really sexist

Women are an invaluable and essential part of the Army. Currently, women serve in 91 percent of all Army occupations and make up about 14 percent of the Active Army. Women continue to have a crucial role in the War on Terrorism and their sacrifices in this noble effort underscore their dedication and willingness to share great sacrifices.

from the US Army website.

I don't know how it is in Turkey but in the US and UK women have been serving in the military for a long time. You are being really disrespectful.

Even if some women have been in auxiliary roles such as nursing they are putting their lives on the line by being in a combat zone.

 

[DRes82]

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Heh, how did I miss THIS one? So disappointed.

You know what I find offensive? People who are pretentious and self-righteous enough that they believe they can speak for a huge group of people. My wife is an avid gamer. She has no problems with any social stigma attached to being a female gamer

Reread that again. Can you see the hypocrisy there? At all? So your wife has never experienced something that clearly the women in the entire back catalog of fatuglyorslutty.com have experienced... or even just yesterday a girl entered my Mann Up, MVM game of TF2 (you could tell by her username) we were on wave 8 and immediately a vote kick came up. Myself and another player voted for her to stay and so she managed to stay in the game. We won the wave and the game because of her healing myself (soldier) and a Heavy. I congratulated her on her healing in voice chat and the guy who had voted to kick her said 'fucking bitches' and left the game. I was pissed that he got extra items from my surplus voucher.

Clearly there is no sexism in the gaming community. :|

And how am I attention seeking exactly? By making myself as unpopular as possible? -.-

Ok, I should probably rephrase. Because you're right. I can't generalize an entire population based on my personal experience. However, I'm willing to wager that sexism in gaming isn't quite as prevalent as you and others here are making it out to be. In addition to my wife and my sisters, I have several female gamer friends. Sexism in relation to the gaming community has not once come up in our conversations, and our conversations are almost universally about gaming. I just don't see a problem. I really feel bad that folks such as yourself have such awful experiences with the community, but I want assure you that it is very rare in my experience. I'm definitely not counting the kids yelling obscenities in mw lobbies or dungeon finder groups in swtor or wow etc. That kind of stuff is going to happen, and shouldn't really be taken personally or even acknowledged at all. That said, stuff like that isn't gender specific. Both sexes are harassed equally by people like that.

You know, maybe the women I associate with do actually experience this type of discrimination. They just aren't affected by it? I'm speaking to my wife as I'm writing this and...maybe I should talk to her more about it. FFS.

edit: Ok...wow. So yeah, maybe I'm wrong. She never really talked about it because it usually doesn't bother her, but she said that the reason she stays away from xbl is because of the way she was treated as a female gamer. I thought it was because she just didn't feel like paying the sub anymore. She also says that in vent and mumble raid chats that her and her female friends are treated pretty horrifically actually. Looks like I've been out of the social gaming arena for a little too long. Christ if I knew about half the shit that gets said to her...well, I dunno what I'd do. Get really, really angry at least. Maybe its time I renew my subs to WoW and SWTOR and try out Tera.

 

[Naroiden]

I'm sorry but you are being really sexist.

I am not sexist. I am talking about game developers, not my own opinion. And you still don`t know my opinion about this. Because it`s not our subject.

Women are an invaluable and essential part of the Army. Currently, women serve in 91 percent of all Army occupations and make up about 14 percent of the Active Army. Women continue to have a crucial role in the War on Terrorism and their sacrifices in this noble effort underscore their dedication and willingness to share great sacrifices.

from the US Army website.

I don't know how it is in Turkey but in the US and UK women have been serving in the military for a long time. You are being really disrespectful.

Even if some women have been in auxiliary roles such as nursing they are putting their lives on the line by being in a combat zone.

I know that. I am trying to tell you game devolopers didn`t care this. They don`t care females.

You don`t know how it is in Turkey? I can tell you how it is in Turkey. If Turkey goes to war, all Turk womans would be a soldier and defend their country. Because all Turk born as soldier. But England goes to war, you would hide somewhere and wait for war ends. It`s not good idea to talk about war with a Turk. Especially when you don`t know how it is in Turkey.

If I upset you, I am sorry.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

But England goes to war, you would hide somewhere and wait for war ends.

Yeah because we clearly did that in World War 2...

 

[Naroiden]

But England goes to war, you would hide somewhere and wait for war ends.

Yeah because we clearly did that in World War 2...

Yeah, you womans were in defense like being nurse, being a engineer and shot down some german planes in World War 2. But all womans of England? Nope. Other British womans wait for their husband and watch their kids until the end of the war. I am sure that you womans were in hide.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

But England goes to war, you would hide somewhere and wait for war ends.

Yeah because we clearly did that in World War 2...

Yeah, you womans were in defense like being nurse, being a engineer and shot down some german planes in World War 2. But all womans of England? Nope. Other British womans wait for their husband and watch their kids until the end of the war. I am sure that you womans were in hide.

And went into French territory as spies sometimes resulting in torture, rape and death at the hands of the SS. Served in both the Army and the Navy, Picked up work back home in munitions factories, farms and other areas.

Not all men in Britain went to the front lines either. My grandfather was a fully trained train driver and so had to stay at home to help move munitions and other goods.

I'd suggest you learn your history before slandering women.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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My original post was about the male attitude to both a female voice in gaming and the attitude that some men have towards us.

I have had to defend my point of view about sexualisation in games as I tried to reach a comprimise with the outfit example, so that has gotten some coverage too.

 

[Naroiden]

But England goes to war, you would hide somewhere and wait for war ends.

Yeah because we clearly did that in World War 2...

Yeah, you womans were in defense like being nurse, being a engineer and shot down some german planes in World War 2. But all womans of England? Nope. Other British womans wait for their husband and watch their kids until the end of the war. I am sure that you womans were in hide.

And went into French territory as spies sometimes resulting in torture, rape and death at the hands of the SS. Served in both the Army and the Navy, Picked up work back home in munitions factories, farms and other areas.

Not all men in Britain went to the front lines either. My grandfather was a fully trained train driver and so had to stay at home to help move munitions and other goods.

I'd suggest you learn your history before slandering women.

I am talking about British womans and I am not slandering womans. Why are you starting to talking about your grandfather and british male soldiers not so important in war and defend woman soldiers? I am not saying british womans were uselles and british males are only important thing in world war. Why are you have a problems with men? If you just listen the kids in tf2 like online games of course you hate all male gamers. Of course you will unnecessarily defend females in a gamer forum. I`d suggest you that, you must leave this forum and never play online game and listen who he is not a kid. Males and game companys not have a problem with female gamers, you know?

 

[LightspeedJack]

Oh well. What can you do? Nothing. Sexists are gonna be sexist. I like video games. I play them. That's all.

 

[Naroiden]

It is clear that some females not. It`s important.

 

[rbstewart7263]

To moonlight and dude shes arguing with:
Actually women do carry guns, serve in special missions, break down doors all of that. its a common mistake that women are relegated to a support role means they dont shoot shit. they shoot shit alot.

support role is not the medic its essentially patrol, kicking the doors down, shooting at terrorists, getting blown up. And then going back to base.

What te menz do what we call frontline is when your in a "place of contention" (Ie: Not conquered) which can be the same thing but instead of going back to base you can be out for days or weeks with 13 or more hours hoofing it with those big packs on your backs.

Alot of womens upper bodies may not be used to that or capable of frontline duty. Over years it can cause severe back problems, and reproductive problems etc in a woman. These things happen to men to but with the women that have hit the frontline(You might say where in beta phase) there have been attrition problems at a higher rate so the verdict is still out.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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It could be partially attributed to ill fitting armour (that could be the disparity between men and women) I know they are making new armour to better fit women (and smaller guys) now.

I do know women do more than serve in support, I was merely pointing out that even if you are say, an army cook (male or female), you are still in a warzone and in danger.

 

[rbstewart7263]

oh......WELL FINE!!! I GUESS IM JUS A USELESS WIL PUNK.(goes and sobs in corner)......lmao/sarcasm

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I'm saying that its what they have to do. I'm also saying that I'm sick and tired of these damn threads. Basically, what they have to do and what I prefer are not the same.

So you're saying you disagree with your own opinion?

No, I'm saying that I don't think discussing it here will do anything, and as such think its a waste of time and that we should quit it and go talk about something else.

You know, nobody is forcing you to post or even read these threads. The title was very clear about what the content was; it was your own choice to poke your head in and read. Perhaps you're not as sick and tired of these threads as you claim.

Spoiler: It's certainly not like the problem is going away.

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I assume you'll be using /b/ to prove your point next?

 

[ElPatron]

First off i said nothing of police because it is irrelevent. They see DRASTICALLY less action than a soldier

Really? How often do cops have to use hand-to-hand combat, get attacked by knives, etc? Just because they are not soldiers doesn't mean they NEVER see violence.

is ENTIRELY different, the vast majority of police officers never use their weapon outside of a target range.

In your country, perhaps.

The fact that we allow female officers does not disprove that we as a culture feel the need to protect women from serious violence.

I'm speechless.

Secondly no, Female combat medics do not have the duty to engage the enemy.

Wait to ignore what I said. What about female pilots/gunners in helicopters and jets? Or how about female soldiers that are attacked even though they are not dedicated infantry?

No, planes piloted by women probably drop rainbows and ponies instead of bombs and canon fire.

protects women from combat, NOT DEDICATED COMBAT ROLES, combat in general.

Women can perform the duties as soldiers. The reason they are barred from combat infantry is NOT THEIR PROTECTION.

Wikipedia has a page on the theoretic shortcomings of the deployment of women in combat, largely supported by the Israeli real world findings. Even though slightly weaker in average, if the physical standards were the only factor there would be no problem in considering them fit for duty.